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ever get that feeling of déjà vu?
Well, well, well...
How the narrative has changed...
How the narrative has changed...
Exactly. We had twice as many shots and twice as many on target as Wolves, and they won on an own goal. Ole had the plan, players lacked execution.For our losses recently, its been on the players. The loss to Arsenal and yesterday is on the players cos we created chances, and missed clear cut chances. And on top of that conceded due to individual mistakes (vs Arsenal, DDG + their penalty + yesterday, Fred + own goal).
I've been saying for weeks that it is all about player combinations. For what it's worth, with Young out for a game and Shaw out for two, we'll probably see Lindelof, Jones, AND Smalling in the backfield in the next league game. And Bailly better not even smell the grass on game day.Id be ever more worried if we were not creating chances but the players are making mistakes. For defence, I know Smalling might be our best defender, but it does seem telling that we transitioned from defence to midfield/attack better when we had lindelof/Jones in our defence. Our midfield seemed to always go deeper with Smalling there to take it off him.
It is difficult to assess these things. Teams invest way too much in players to risk re-injury. If the players were deemed ready, they had to pass a battery of tests to prove it. Now, maybe the team needs to improve their procedures, but Ole did not go in simply thinking it's worth the risk. That said, I do think they were too mentally rusty to start. And as you said, their replacements were doing very well.We got injuries at the wrong times too in terms of Lingard, Herrera, Matic. However we also rushed them back too quickly when their replacements were doing more than good jobs. Matic vs Arsenal, and Herrera vs Wolves was too quick (added to Lingard vs Liverpool causing a further injury).
Not a hope!Mourinho agrees. The problem (as he found out to his cost) is getting Woodward to agree.
Hopefully Solskjaer has more luck.
When we have seven players that could comfortably be allowed to leave, we know we have an issue.Yes we are far too reluctant in moving players who aren't performing. It's as if we're hoping for that day when they'll magically become the players we expected them to.
I'd seriously considering the futures of
Young
Jones (lol)
Rojo
Periera
Mata
Lukaku
Fred
We need players with technical quality, intelligence and energy. Enough of filling spaces with technical deficient players and the dreaming of dominating possession.
That combined with managers picking players who won't suit the next manager or the football we all want to see.When we have seven players that could comfortably be allowed to leave, we know we have an issue.
When you add Damian, Valencia, maybe Sanchez and (imo) Matic, it really shows how our standards have slipped in terms of accepting 'ok' players and keeping deadwood.... presumably Ed thought increased wages was more palatable than chunky transfer fees (or he just hadn't got a clue).
Needs a gigantic transition. Hold on, this could be a long and bumpy ride.
What gives it away was the immediate improvement after the change of manager followed by the steady drift back to normal.Hard to disagree with any of it. It’s a disgrace that our squad needs a complete revamp despite all the money we spent. A right back, right winger and ball playing centre back have to be our priorities for this summer.
Nah mate the people who don't like to bitch and moan about everything get drowned out on here, or just don't get involved in certain threads, as they're magnets for the moaners.You were moaning or not ? This isn't an answer on my question.
If you were moaning previously you don't have the right to accuse others for doing the same under the next manager because your stance is different. Pretty much an example of double standards.
As for the thread being pointless, seems like everyone else who replied on it so far disagree, it's your problem only I guess.
Because one person isn’t to be blamed for how a whole club performs. You need solid foundations and a good atmosphere to build excellence and that’s a result of players, staff and owners all pulling their weight.I feel like we're on a merry-go-round of threads which each manager we have. I don't know who it is on anymore, I think it could be everyone just not being good enough, club officials, management and players.
I reckon it'd be similar to his first season at City where there was a clear imprint of his tactics on the team, but still too inconsistent and suffered some bad results.Do you think pep would get a tune out of this squad? Personally I'd say yes.
No.Do you think pep would get a tune out of this squad? Personally I'd say yes.
I think this squad has the correct attributes to be successful under pep, i think his man management would bring an extra 20% out of players plus he'd be willing to play players out of their normal position to see what they could add to the team.No.
You can’t play the sort of football city are playing with our squad.
Remember Pep has spent 400 million pounds on the players -he- wanted to fit his system.
I think this squad has the correct attributes to be successful under pep, i think his man management would bring an extra 20% out of players plus he'd be willing to play players out of their normal position to see what they could add to the team.
Look what he did with delph for example.
Yes. But what kind of tune.Do you think pep would get a tune out of this squad? Personally I'd say yes.
Fully agree with that.No.
You can’t play the sort of football city are playing with our squad.
Remember Pep has spent 400 million pounds on the players -he- wanted to fit his system.
All true statements. What's sad is this has been the case since the last few seasons under SAF too only thing is we won the leagueDefence
The build up is fecking SHIT. People need to stop ignoring this. Yes it does fecking matter and yes it is that important. The simple minor things like body positioning when receiving the ball or simply being open to a pass. The confidence to take the ball under pressure. The composure to deal with a pressing forward. People cry about Young hoofing the ball but this is just another example of SHIT build up. No manager will succeed at the top level like this, it simply will not happen.
Transitions
Again, TERRIBLE. Most of the defenders do not help at all. The only players who can transition from deep is Pogba and Shaw. Only Pogba does it at a high level. This is why Pogba is needed in deeper areas. He can hold the ball under pressure, and burst into midfield. Lindelof can attempt to play passes but it only makes it more difficult with him playing on the left. Smalling and Bailly will always push him into LCB. Smalling said he prefers to play with Lindelof because when Chris partners Eric he has to play on the left which makes him even more uncomfortable.
Build up and transitions are the first two phases of ATTACK. It isn't about just throwing bodies forward. We actually have to get it into the final phase. This is the foundation and base of the team and it is fecking terrible.
Width
We have ZERO wingers. Sanchez, Rashford and Martial are all forwards. Mata and Lingard are number 10's. This is compounded by the fact that are fullbacks are not good enough going forward. Shaw's final delivery is NOT good enough despite his quality in the first two phases. Having a winger which can operate across the whole line, that means LB, LWB, LM, LW & LF positions (also on the right hand side) is vital to build up, transition and creativity in the final third. A wide man transitioning from deep areas is NOT defensive. A wide man with high work rate is NOT defensive. The delivery and crosses are SHITE. The best crosser we have is fecking Lukaku who should be at the end of crosses.
You cannot attack properly if you do not have the base right, that starts in the defensive and deep phases. You can skip build up and transition by pressing high up the pitch or playing a long ball.
There is a call for us to throw bodies forward and press. If we are to manage a high intensity game throughout a whole season we have to retain ball possession at a rate closer to 60-70% , so that we don't tire and fatigue. How can we do this with our current defenders and the manner in which they handle the ball in the deepest areas? It is not possible. It simply isn't. I hope people do not turn on Ole, there is only so much he can do.
Huh... go figure. Sounds like a close, current example that's been brought up recently. Daily. Hourly.I reckon it'd be similar to his first season at City where there was a clear imprint of his tactics on the team, but still too inconsistent and suffered some bad results.
Apparently.Nah mate the people who don't like to bitch and moan about everything get drowned out on here, or just don't get involved in certain threads, as they're magnets for the moaners.
Not a hope in hell.I think this squad has the correct attributes to be successful under pep, i think his man management would bring an extra 20% out of players plus he'd be willing to play players out of their normal position to see what they could add to the team.
Look what he did with delph for example.
You can add Valencia / Baily / Matic and Alexis to the list..They are either finished OR not good to play for UTD.Yes we are far too reluctant in moving players who aren't performing. It's as if we're hoping for that day when they'll magically become the players we expected them to.
I'd seriously considering the futures of
Young
Jones (lol)
Rojo
Periera
Mata
Lukaku
Fred
We need players with technical quality, intelligence and energy. Enough of filling spaces with technical deficient players and the dreaming of dominating possession.
Pogba, no. He doesnt care, only plays when he wants to. He should be first on the list out the door to get the maximum cash for him.You can add Valencia / Baily / Matic and Alexis to the list..They are either finished OR not good to play for UTD.
You might criticize me for saying this but if you really think about our squad hope atleast few agree with me
DDG/Romerio/Dalot/Victor/Smalling/Shaw/MCT/Pogba/Martial/Rashford/Lingaard/Herrera are the only ones we can try to keep and build the remaining squad in next few transfer windows
Problem is
DDG(He might had enough of not winning)
Pogba(Zidane Love/ Bad Agent)
Herrera (PSG) might depart too, I really hope they dont but if they decided to move on then we will be in real mess
If the club dont back him then it is beyond doubt who is to blame. The owners. There will be no more excuses and nobody else to blame if Ole isnt backed this summer.I agree with most the OP, except about Luke Shaw who has improved a lot this season, especially since Ole came in. His attacking play is getting better every game. Even last night he was making more runs, attempting dribbles, usually successfully. I'm optimistic he will have a great next season.
When the 19/20 season is finished then we will have a clear idea of Ole's abilities. Unless of course the club don't back him, in which case we're back to square one, fighting about who is to blame.
My point was that if he isn't backed we won't know whether he is the right manager or not. We already know the owners and Ed have been terrible for the club so far.If the club dont back him then it is beyond doubt who is to blame. The owners. There will be no more excuses and nobody else to blame if Ole isnt backed this summer.
Sorry I didnt make it clear. I agree with your post was just commenting on the last bit about fans fighting who would be to blame if he isn't backed. Not sure how anybody could defend the owners if thats the case!My point was that if he isn't backed we won't know whether he is the right manager or not. We already know the owners and Ed have been terrible for the club so far.
This is what I've been saying for years. I think it's the transforming systems of Pep and Klopp that has led people to believe that any group of players can be turned in to a top team with coaching. In reality, you also need a brilliant squad to do that.Manager doesn't hold a controller to control the players. There're no miracle workers. If the players are crap in basic passing, ball retention and building up from the back, whatever coaching they'll get, they'll never become good. People exaggerate manager's ability in developing the players or creating miracles.