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Yet Ole is slowly getting the heat in this place.
That's very generous of you but I'm afraid it's going to take more than one summer to fix this squad. Especially if you're expecting a title challenge.I'll let Ole have this upcoming summer and pre-season to "fix" the squad first.. only then dishing out more responsibilities ("blame") to him, reasonably.
Injuries.These same players went on a great run during the honeymoon period. It the manager as he is not able to motivate these players to continue that performance. Of course we need some addition, but our current team is still better than some of our top six rivals. I doubt spending another £200m will improve our team if we don’t have the right manager in place to develop these players. We have been doing this the past few season and it has not been working.
Our first XI is probably better than Arsenal's that's it.These same players went on a great run during the honeymoon period. It the manager as he is not able to motivate these players to continue that performance. Of course we need some addition, but our current team is still better than some of our top six rivals. I doubt spending another £200m will improve our team if we don’t have the right manager in place to develop these players. We have been doing this the past few season and it has not been working.
Our team have enough talent to account for injuries, rotation or suspended players. We are not Spurs, lecesiter or Everton that don’t have enough depth. We have spend close to £1 billion pound in the last few season to ensure we have a good squad. During the honeymoon period we saw how good this team is, we just need a manager that is a good motivator(like Zidane or pochettino) and preferably also tactical intelligent.Injuries.
Suspensions.
Inadequate fitness levels (unfit for the high tempo game played in those early matches during the honeymoon period)
All of which do NOT depend on the current manager.
I hope this thread isn’t a way to whitewash Mourinho’s tenure as he had enough time and funds to build a team with the players he wants. It’s just fair that Ole be given at least as much before we assess.
Our squad is better than most top six, whereas our first eleven is better than Arsenal and no worse than Spurs, Liverpool, or Chelsea. The difference is that the other clubs has managers that can get the best out of average players that makes fans think they have a good first 11. Rashford will probably be England’s golden boy if he played for Liverpool, Chelsea or Spurs, while Martial might be banging it in like Salah if he was with one of those other managers. Pogba would be touted as the best midfielder in the world as seen with his performance in the honeymoon period, and the list goes on.Our first XI is probably better than Arsenal's that's it.
I'm glad it's become clearer the players aren't good enough (some of us were banging this drum pre Ole). Hopefully it influences our summer business.
Precisely, I thought it was now clear to everyone that we had spent so much in these last few seasons largely on mediocre players. We absolutely don’t have the depth in quality to cover for injuries and suspensions.Our team have enough talent to account for injuries, rotation or suspended players. We are not Spurs, lecesiter or Everton that don’t have enough depth. We have spend close to £1 billion pound in the last few season to ensure we have a good squad. During the honeymoon period we saw how good this team is, we just need a manager that is a good motivator(like Zidane or pochettino) and a preferably also tactical intelligent.
Indeed, that’s how it feels to me as well.Must say its a genius thread, attempt to wash up JM through Ole.
An extremely obvious projection on your part. You seem to have forgotten we were approaching mid table under Moaninho, he had to go because no way we had the same quality as teams like Watford and Leicester.Must say its a genius thread, attempt to wash up JM through Ole.
Ignore them, they've got absolutely no idea about football or management in general.Yet Ole is slowly getting the heat in this place.
Mctominay and Fred has started to push for first team football and a few months ago, fans were saying they were not good enough. Lukaku is supposedly our second choice striker, but when Rashford got injured, he was able to replace him and went on a great goal scoring run. A lot of players are able to step up and it is down to the manager to motivate those players. We have good depth, not at the level of Manchester city, Real Madrid or Barcelona, but it is still much better than most of our rivals. I rather have our bench then Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, or Chelsea(maybe Chelsea has better bench).Precisely, I thought it was now clear to everyone that we had spent so much in these last few seasons largely on mediocre players. We absolutely don’t have the depth in quality to cover for injuries and suspensions.
During the honeymoon period we saw great performances from our best players, the downturn in performance started when we had that rough streak of injuries. Also, during that honeymoon phase we saw that Ole can be a good motivator and I enjoyed his tactics as well. Again, fitness levels dropped as should have been expected from players who were coached for a different system under the previous manager. As I said, let’s wait for next season at least before we assess.
The squad might be better in depth but it's only really the first 13/14 which matter if you keep them fit. If you think our first XI is as good as Liverpool's and Spurs then it's not worth debating. These players have shown under 4 different managers they are not good enough. The 'honeymoon' period you speak of was against some of the worst sides in the league.Our squad is better than most top six, whereas our first eleven is better than Arsenal and no worse than Spurs, Liverpool, or Chelsea. The difference is that the other clubs has managers that can get the best out of average players that makes fans think they have a good first 11. Rashford will probably be England’s golden boy if he played for Liverpool, Chelsea or Spurs, while Martial might be banging it in like Salah if he was with one of those other managers. Pogba would be touted as the best midfielder in the world as seen with his performance in the honeymoon period, and the list goes on.
Zidane lost a game last week, Pochettino lost a few recently and 10 in the league all season. Both with better teams than ours.we just need a manager that is a good motivator(like Zidane or pochettino) and preferably also tactical intelligent.
Will do. The mood here makes me nervous.Ignore them, they've got absolutely no idea about football or management in general.
Our first 11 is as good as Liverpool or Spurs. As I stated before, a good managers knows how to make average players appear good. Under Klopp, young could become our Milner. Liverpool has Matip in defense and no one knew who Arnold or Robertson was a couple of seasons ago. There midfield is not better than ours with Fabinho, Wilderndum and Keita not better than Fred, Pogba, Herrera. When compared to Spurs there cb are solid, but their midfield is much worse than ours. They have players who are in great form with only two elite talent in Eriksen and Kane. During the honeymoon period we saw how good our players are when in top form. I m not sure about zidane, but Pochettino performance were not as terrible as our lost.The squad might be better in depth but it's only really the first 13/14 which matter if you keep them fit. If you think our first XI is as good as Liverpool's and Spurs then it's not worth debating. These players have shown under 4 different managers they are not good enough. The 'honeymoon' period you speak of was against some of the worst sides in the league.
Zidane lost a game last week, Pochettino lost a few recently and 10 in the league all season. Both with better teams than ours.
No chance. Our attack is dog shit, whereas Liverpool have one of the most devastating attacking trio's in football. Their defence is miles better too. I don't know how anyone can look at the two teams and think they are comparable.Our first 11 is as good as Liverpool or Spurs. As I stated before, a good managers knows how to make average players appear good. Under Klopp, young could become our Milner. Liverpool has Matip in defense and no one knew who Arnold or Robertson was a couple of seasons ago. There midfield is not better than ours with Fabinho, Wilderndum and Keita not better than Fred, Pogba, Herrera. When compared to Spurs there cb are solid, but their midfield is much worse than ours. They have players who are in great form with only two elite talent in Eriksen and Kane. During the honeymoon period we saw how good our players are when in top form. I m not sure about zidane, but Pochettino performance were not as terrible as our lost.
Klopp/Liverpool have recruited certain types of players to fit their system. Most of their first XI is different to when he first arrived. Milner was always a high energy player that could fill multiple roles in a Klopp team.Our first 11 is as good as Liverpool or Spurs. As I stated before, a good managers knows how to make average players appear good. Under Klopp, young could become our Milner. Liverpool has Matip in defense and no one knew who Arnold or Robertson was a couple of seasons ago. There midfield is not better than ours with Fabinho, Wilderndum and Keita not better than Fred, Pogba, Herrera. When compared to Spurs there cb are solid, but their midfield is much worse than ours. They have players who are in great form with only two elite talent in Eriksen and Kane. During the honeymoon period we saw how good our players are when in top form. I m not sure about zidane, but Pochettino performance were not as terrible as our lost.
Agreed but I think most of us in here are sane enough to realise that we're on our 4th manager in 6 years and it can't be the manager's fault at this stage, there has to be a common denominator. Back Ole, give him all the power over the club to make the changes he needs to fix the mess they've caused. There is no magic Pochettino wand to fix this, he'd have the same issues and be out of a job by next summer anyway.Will do. The mood here makes me nervous.
Yeah, my sentiments too. Maybe with the right coaching Lingard can become Salah and Jones van Dijk. Fred is an Eriksen waiting to bloom perhaps.@Amadaeus
Without wanting to get dragged into this debate I think you're well of the mark here. Miles off.
Do people honestly believe this? I keep hearing this and I keep thinking either I'm insane or maybe the people who say this aren't watching the games.Our first 11 is as good as Liverpool or Spurs. As I stated before, a good managers knows how to make average players appear good. Under Klopp, young could become our Milner. Liverpool has Matip in defense and no one knew who Arnold or Robertson was a couple of seasons ago. There midfield is not better than ours with Fabinho, Wilderndum and Keita not better than Fred, Pogba, Herrera. When compared to Spurs there cb are solid, but their midfield is much worse than ours. They have players who are in great form with only two elite talent in Eriksen and Kane. During the honeymoon period we saw how good our players are when in top form. I m not sure about zidane, but Pochettino performance were not as terrible as our lost.
Exactly! And with Lingard and Jones, these are players we've been watching for years and have never consistently shown form good enough to start for a Premiership winning side.Yeah, my sentiments too. Maybe with the right coaching Lingard can become Salah and Jones van Dijk. Fred is an Eriksen waiting to bloom perhaps.
Agreed completely. I know fans are impatient and think by changing managers will make wonders and bring us back to the top overnight but it doesn't go that way. Not even close. We'll have to have 2, 3 good transfer windows to fix the issues this team has.Agreed but I think most of us in here are sane enough to realise that we're on our 4th manager in 6 years and it can't be the manager's fault at this stage, there has to be a common denominator. Back Ole, give him all the power over the club to make the changes he needs to fix the mess they've caused. There is no magic Pochettino wand to fix this, he'd have the same issues and be out of a job by next summer anyway.
Origi and Lovren too.Exactly! And with Lingard and Jones, these are players we've been watching for years and have never consistently shown form good enough to start for a Premiership winning side.
Yea, I have had this said plenty of times to me on here before@Amadaeus
Without wanting to get dragged into this debate I think you're well of the mark here. Miles off.
Our attack is dogshit only because we don’t have a good philosophy. I don’t think that most fans would be against us going into next season with a front three of Sancho-Rashford-Martial. However, if we have a bad philosophy and manager, most will say that front three is dogshit. No one knew Salah would be so prolific before he came to Liverpool. Martial can be as prolific with a good team and footballing philosophy around him. Their defense only get better because they signed Van Dijk, prior to that, we had a much better defense.No chance. Our attack is dog shit, whereas Liverpool have one of the most devastating attacking trio's in football. Their defence is miles better too. I don't know how anyone can look at the two teams and think they are comparable.
Milner was no better than young, but under a good manager he became useful. Young can has he uses as well in our team. Saying how good those players were during that period shows that they can attain a level needed to compete at a high level and not completely discredit their ability to perform.Klopp/Liverpool have recruited certain types of players to fit their system. Most of their first XI is different to when he first arrived. Milner was always a high energy player that could fill multiple roles in a Klopp team.
Saying how great players were in the 'honeymoon period' against the likes of Cardiff, Huddersfield and Bournemouth is like Wolves fans thinking they could win the league because of their recent performances against us.
This exemplifies how a good managers can make a bunch of average or potentially good players look top class. The team we had finished second last season and since Ole took over is on top of the league. A team that isn’t good should not be in such a position or have such a result. I don’t understand why a lot of United fans like to underrate our players. These same fans underrated McTominay and Fred before their recent performances.Do people honestly believe this? I keep hearing this and I keep thinking either I'm insane or maybe the people who say this aren't watching the games.
Which should tell you how far behind our rivals we are in terms of the quality of the players and it’s no fault of Ole’s, I’ll put it down to the previous managers. Let’s watch him have a few transfer windows and a pre-season to build his own team to his image (thankfully there is no major international tournament this summer - well, apart from the African Cup of Nations).We are not the only team that has to combat injuries or a drop in fitness level as well. These factors has not had much of an effect on the type of football our rivals put out on the pitch.