Ivan Perisic or Bale as short term solution

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Not Bale

Even Perisic is surplus. Can we not just look for a cheaper option in the under 25 age group? There must be football players who can play RW who aren’t extortionate liabilities
 

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No to both please.

If Perisic was good he'd be wanted by other clubs too, and not be available for loan.

Bale is an even worse case, it's like a girl you used to like but rejected you for someone else, then got married and had 4 kids, divorced and now is ready to date you, but only if you take her to expensive restaurants.
 

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:lol: At the people in this thread who wouldn’t want Bale because he chose Madrid over us once upon a time

:lol: In this thread who call Bale a golfer because he plays golf in his spare time. Is Jadon sancho an xbox gamer because he plays COD with rashford in his spare time. Is messi a fashion icon because he’s modelled a few tracksuits with his name on in his spare time.

:lol: At the ones who say he’s lost his passion for football even though he turns up for Wales every time playing minnow nations around Europe slogging it up and down the wing?
 

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I really, really, really hope we sign neither. Both 31 and winding down their careers, and Bale is an injury crock. It goes totally against what Ole is trying to build. If we can't sign Sancho or an equally promising youngster i'd rather give the minutes to Greenwood.
 

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You could do way worse than Perisic. Great workrate, good tactical awareness, strong shot, decent passer and crosser.
I was quite sad that Bayern had to let him go after his loan. He would've been the perfect backup winger.
 

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No to both please.

If Perisic was good he'd be wanted by other clubs too, and not be available for loan.

Bale is an even worse case, it's like a girl you used to like but rejected you for someone else, then got married and had 4 kids, divorced and now is ready to date you, but only if you take her to expensive restaurants.
Inter doesn't want Perisic because Conte loves his 352 and he can't play WB. Bayern only wanted Perisic as a stopgap because Sane was injured. The fact Bayern wanted him as a stopgap means he's a good player. Bad player doesn't get to play for Bayern, especially in a CL semi final.

The reason you refuse Bale is a bit irrelevant imo. He made the right choice for his career, won 3 CL. You can't blame someone just because he did the right thing for him. If for his injury records or you think he's finished it's ok then.
 
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:lol: At the people in this thread who wouldn’t want Bale because he chose Madrid over us once upon a time

:lol: In this thread who call Bale a golfer because he plays golf in his spare time. Is Jadon sancho an xbox gamer because he plays COD with rashford in his spare time. Is messi a fashion icon because he’s modelled a few tracksuits with his name on in his spare time.

:lol: At the ones who say he’s lost his passion for football even though he turns up for Wales every time playing minnow nations around Europe slogging it up and down the wing?
It’s pathetic.

The hate he gets because he “turned us down” is borderline psychotic. I believe that spurs never even accepted an offer from us. In any case, we can’t blame him for wanting to go to a different league, and play with Ronaldo. He won 3 CLs, so I think got that right!

We have a lot of armchair psychologists in here. As you say he turns up for Wales. He’s been frozen out by Zidane, and Real clearly want rid of him - although ironically having agreed to sell him to China, pulled the plug... so he’s not really had much of a chance the past 18 months. Sometimes players revive their careers, sometimes they don’t. If he moves this summer, I think he’s got a good 2 years at the top left in him.

If we are interested in him, I trust our manager to determine whether he has the drive, passion and determination needed.

I understand he’s not the typical player OGS is looking at, but all managers make exceptions, if he’s the right player.

Personally I think a subsidised loan is a risk worth taking, and shows we have learnt our lessons from Sanchez and Schweinsteiger.
 

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You could do way worse than Perisic. Great workrate, good tactical awareness, strong shot, decent passer and crosser.
I was quite sad that Bayern had to let him go after his loan. He would've been the perfect backup winger.
It really fecked me off the number of people who were trashing him just because Mourinho wanted him. He’d have been a great signing for us and totally worth the extra money.

Of course the Hipsters only wanted Lemar or Carrasco or Costa.
 

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It really fecked me off the number of people who were trashing him just because Mourinho wanted him. He’d have been a great signing for us and totally worth the extra money.

Of course the Hipsters only wanted Lemar or Carrasco or Costa.
:lol:
 

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There's an unreal amount of straw-manning when it comes to Bale. The reason he's not wanted, even as a stop-gap, is not because he turned us down X years ago. Or because we think he's shit.

It's because he hasn't had a full season (3000+ mins in all comps) since 2015. Because he's been blighted by muscle injuries, which would very likely resurface. Especially if he were to play wide in the EPL. It's because he's on some 600k pw, which he's obviously not willing to climb down from while his contract with Real runs (hence he's still there). And that would be a huge problem for us politically. You don't sign a 600k pw player just to keep company to Jones in the physio room and it's highly doubtful Real would subsidise his salary.

It's too much hassle and risk for a stop gap.
 

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There's an unreal amount of straw-manning when it comes to Bale. The reason he's not wanted, even as a stop-gap, is not because he turned us down X years ago. Or because we think he's shit.

It's because he hasn't had a full season (3000+ mins in all comps) since 2015. Because he's been blighted by muscle injuries, which would very likely resurface. Especially if he were to play wide in the EPL. It's because he's on some 600k pw, which he's obviously not willing to climb down from while his contract with Real runs (hence he's still there). And that would be a huge problem for us politically. You don't sign a 600k pw player just to keep company to Jones in the physio room and it's highly doubtful Real would subsidise his salary.

It's too much hassle and risk for a stop gap.
Not one person has said we should pay his full wages and that hasn't been reported at all.

Even if he's only able to make 20 appearances in the League, for a total outlay in the region of £9m (paying half his wages) we'd be laughing.
 

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If we really want Bale we could sign him now. Sancho is not coming this season so a loan deal for Bale would be OK.
 

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If we're looking for an alternative, why not try and swap plus money deal for Zaha coming in and Lingard going to Palace. It would be a cheap outlay, gets deadwood who is a good player for a team like Palace off our books and Zaha has a good 3/4 years left in him. It's far from Sancho, but surely it's a better option than the 2 in the title of this thread.
 

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No.

What Ole seems to be doing is building a team, targeting players according to a (long term) plan.

VDB fits that bill nicely.

Suddenly recruiting over-the-hill "stars", even as stop-gap signings, would shatter that idea utterly - or, it would at the very least take some serious explaining as to what the feck the purpose would be.

We aren't in a place where loaning/signing either of those two would make sense as "adding some extra quality, short-term" recruits. For what? Challenging for the biggest trophies? Does anyone think Bale would make us CL contenders?

As others have said, if we can't land Sancho (who would make sense on all sort of levels, also as a "marquee" signing), we should seek to strengthen the squad by adding someone else who actually makes sense with regard to the future (even if he isn't a prospective world beater, as such).
 

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No.

What Ole seems to be doing is building a team, targeting players according to a (long term) plan.

VDB fits that bill nicely.

Suddenly recruiting over-the-hill "stars", even as stop-gap signings, would shatter that idea utterly - or, it would at the very least take some serious explaining as to what the feck the purpose would be.

We aren't in a place where loaning/signing either of those two would make sense as "adding some extra quality, short-term" recruits. For what? Challenging for the biggest trophies? Does anyone think Bale would make us CL contenders?

As others have said, if we can't land Sancho (who would make sense on all sort of levels, also as a "marquee" signing), we should seek to strengthen the squad by adding someone else who actually makes sense with regard to the future (even if he isn't a prospective world beater, as such).
For strengthening the squad depth quality. Upgrading Lingard & Mata, very important!

We're not going to sign these players on permanent, very likely it will be just loan deal and it's not exactly against the Ole's recruitment when we actually signed Ighalo on loan. The point of Ole's recruitment is coming here to improve the squad instead of stalling other player's development and signing players who want to come here not player who is forced to come here and being attracted only because the wages.
 

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No to both please.

If Perisic was good he'd be wanted by other clubs too, and not be available for loan.

Bale is an even worse case, it's like a girl you used to like but rejected you for someone else, then got married and had 4 kids, divorced and now is ready to date you, but only if you take her to expensive restaurants.
Bayern's manager wants him. They just couldn't find agreement with Inter.
 

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From my perspective, contrary to the sentiment here, I'd go for Bale. i dont think we have the full picture of what really does go on in Spain; and the media influences how many feel about him. I think in a loan move, he can play either right wing as he previously did with Wales or even left (which we all know he can).

i think he deserves more respect for what was achieved at RM, and what he can still achieve especially scoring winning goals in 2 different finals and has over 100 goals; so for me - Bale instead of Perisic
 
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Upgrading Lingard & Mata, very important!
Yes - but in fairness, that shouldn't be hard to accomplish. Replace them internally (if possible) and/or go for players in the James bracket: call it punts on players who are young, won't cost an arm and a leg, and won't demand high wages initially). Best case scenario: they develop into starters. Worst case scenario: we move them on (not having offered them silly contracts to begin with). Middle case scenario: they turn out to be useful squad options that we can keep - or not - based on how things develop in terms of the squad as a whole.

Realistically, if Bale comes to United, he won't be a Mata replacement: the latter hardly plays these days. Bale would go straight into the starting XI (and then he'd probably get himself injured).
 

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I'll prefer Perisic on an Ighalo type loan, no fuss,decent player,good fitness record and decent wage......we'll rotate him and Greenwood depending on the opposition, Bale injury record and wages means we should stay clear
 

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It's weird that people hate the idea of signing a 23 year old left back who's just had the season of his career because it's seen as a short term fix but are happy with the idea of signing Bale/Perisic as a short term fix, both of whom are 31 and well past their best.
 

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Yes - but in fairness, that shouldn't be hard to accomplish. Replace them internally (if possible) and/or go for players in the James bracket: call it punts on players who are young, won't cost an arm and a leg, and won't demand high wages initially). Best case scenario: they develop into starters. Worst case scenario: we move them on (not having offered them silly contracts to begin with). Middle case scenario: they turn out to be useful squad options that we can keep - or not - based on how things develop in terms of the squad as a whole.

Realistically, if Bale comes to United, he won't be a Mata replacement: the latter hardly plays these days. Bale would go straight into the starting XI (and then he'd probably get himself injured).
Clearly you don't understand here. You can't just replace them internally, this is not just mere of having extra bodies in the squad. It's about having option that we can bring in to make impact.

The lack of depth squad quality has been major problem last season when we tried to rest our main regular players, the performance was dropped. When our main regular players couldn't score and finish the game like the Sevilla game, it took Ole to 86th minute to make change due to no players on the bench are capable to replace the quality of our regular players especially our top 5 players.

Chelsea has Mount, Abraham & Giroud while we have Lingard, Mata & Ighalo. Imagine what player like Perisic who won UCL last season can do to improve our bench and squad depth quality.
 

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Bale for me. Despite being 31 I feel he can still offer far more then Perisic providing he is past his injury problems. Bale knows the prem, steps up in the big games and I don't think his body is as shot as what some are implying. Two Years of playing minutes here and there will of done his body more good than bad and I am of the opinion that physically he should still be agile and quick as the wear on his legs and body will be relatively low as he hasn't played much in recent times.

I'm happy to proved wrong and will eat humble pie, but a motivated, physically fit Gareth Bale at 31 with the euro's on the horizon next year, is a no brainer for me, his ceiling is considerably higher then Perisic's. Also, the terms of the deal are appealing.
 

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It's weird that people hate the idea of signing a 23 year old left back who's just had the season of his career because it's seen as a short term fix but are happy with the idea of signing Bale/Perisic as a short term fix, both of whom are 31 and well past their best.
A young left back who isn't willing to commit his long term future to us by inserting a buyback clause,left back not even being a high priority position for us this window and there is no garantee is would be better than Shaw
Right wing is our number 1 priority this window and if we can't purchase our preferred target,you don't think it smart to bring in an experienced player who can do a job short-term for little cost till we find the ideal long term solution
 

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Honestly wouldn’t mind Perisic on a short term deal. He was playing well (albeit in the limited time I have watched him in the CL) and can cover the RW till we get Sancho or whoever next summer.
 

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It's about having option that we can bring in to make impact.
Yes, I get that. But like I suggested in the original post (which you quoted), this is a question of where we expect this team to be at this current stage (of a supposed long-term plan).

If you expect this team to mount a proper challenge, then yes - we obviously need much better options from the bench than Mata and Lingard, and we need proven (enough) players, not the sort of punts I mentioned above.

In a scenario like that, I could get on board with bringing in someone like Perisic as a short-term backup option.

But that scenario would be premised on us having a starting XI capable of mounting a challenge in the first place.

The way I see it, we're still re-building - still putting the pieces together. I don't expect us to challenge for the top trophies this season - I expect to us improve, narrow the gap, keep developing individual players, etc.

Again, there's no reason to think that either Perisic or (especially) Bale would come to United and play a decidedly peripheral role of the sort Mata (whom you mentioned specifically) has been playing under Ole.
 

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The Perisic-tide has turned it seems.

All for him too, as a backup. Should be an experienced/reliable one, who can cope with sharing time with Greenwood.

Has their been any rumours about Perisic though?
 

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Yes, I get that. But like I suggested in the original post (which you quoted), this is a question of where we expect this team to be at this current stage (of a supposed long-term plan).

If you expect this team to mount a proper challenge, then yes - we obviously need much better options from the bench than Mata and Lingard, and we need proven (enough) players, not the sort of punts I mentioned above.

In a scenario like that, I could get on board with bringing in someone like Perisic as a short-term backup option.

But that scenario would be premised on us having a starting XI capable of mounting a challenge in the first place.

The way I see it, we're still re-building - still putting the pieces together. I don't expect us to challenge for the top trophies this season - I expect to us improve, narrow the gap, keep developing individual players, etc.

Again, there's no reason to think that either Perisic or (especially) Bale would come to United and play a decidedly peripheral role of the sort Mata (whom you mentioned specifically) has been playing under Ole.
Even not challenging for title, we will need to upgrade Lingard & Mata. Those two aren't even good enough to be brought on to change the game in semi final of Europa League, and if you are not good enough to be Europa League semi final bench then you aren't good enough to be on the bench of team that wants to secure the top 4 comfortably.

You clearly don't get it at all, signing Sancho isn't just upgrading our XI but also upgrading our depth squad quality. If Sancho is unreachable this year then the least thing we can do now is to upgrade the depth squad. And Perisic is suitable for this scenario, good enough to be CL winner bench or impact sub and available for short term which won't stop us to sign Sancho next year.

Chelsea isn't to mount a proper challenge title and yet they have Mount, Abraham & Giroud while we have Lingard, Mata & Ighalo.
 
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If Sancho is unreachable this year then the least thing we can do now is to upgrade the depth squad. And Perisic is suitable for this scenario, good enough to be CL winner bench or impact sub and available for short term which won't stop us to sign Sancho next year.
I'm not against upgrading squad depth, but that can be done in any number of ways (buying established 30+ players who will undoubtedly demand relatively high wages - why else would they come? - short-term is one way, if the player is otherwise suitable, but not the only way).

Anyway, I'll give you this: if Perisic, specifically, was available as a short-term option in the absence of Sancho - I wouldn't be (greatly) against that. More precisely, if we signed him for a year to rotate with Greenwood (and/or Rashford - he can play both sides) while waiting for Sancho (as it were), then yes: fine.

Bale is in another category. He has various question marks over his head that Perisic doesn't have.
 

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If Perišić isnt considered as an option I'm truly baffled. Can get him on loan, woudlnt be expensive nor on big wages. True and true winger, has speed, eye for a goal and a good cross on him. We could do worse than him coming in if any of our front 3 is having a bad day or is injured.
I really hope that some kind of plan B is in place in case Sancho deal is a no go. With all due respect to James him being a backup for front 3 is underwhelming.
 

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I'm not against upgrading squad depth, but that can be done in any number of ways (buying established 30+ players who will undoubtedly demand relatively high wages - why else would they come? - short-term is one way, if the player is otherwise suitable, but not the only way).

Anyway, I'll give you this: if Perisic, specifically, was available as a short-term option in the absence of Sancho - I wouldn't be (greatly) against that. More precisely, if we signed him for a year to rotate with Greenwood (and/or Rashford - he can play both sides) while waiting for Sancho (as it were), then yes: fine.

Bale is in another category. He has various question marks over his head that Perisic doesn't have.
You literary said that we aren't in place to loaning/signing Perisic would make sense as "adding some extra quality, short-term" recruits. Which what created my argument in the first place.

And now you changed your mind to "I wouldn't be (greatly) against signing Perisic for short term option" & "I'm not against upgrading squad depth''.

Make up your mind mate!!
 

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Swap Smalling for Perisic. I bet Perisic would love to come to OT and we'd love to get him. Don't know whether Inter want Smalling or Smalling wants Inter but he likes Italy and Inter like ex-United players. Make it happen.
 

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Swap Smalling for Perisic. I bet Perisic would love to come to OT and we'd love to get him. Don't know whether Inter want Smalling or Smalling wants Inter but he likes Italy and Inter like ex-United players. Make it happen.
Lot of news weeks ago said Conte wants Smalling. Whether it's just his agent or us to tell AS Roma to hurry up or it's actually true and few hours ago I read news that they are interested to do the swap deal.
 

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I don't know why we don't get Under on loan with right to buy.
 

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Make up your mind mate!!
Heh - well, perhaps my mind wasn't 100% made up in the first place with regard to ONE of the players in the OP.

But I guess the basic point (which I tried to argue - not that successfully, it seems) is that if you're at a rebuild stage, at a stage where your main goal is to keep adding pieces to the puzzle with a long-term plan in mind, THEN it doesn't make that much sense to bring in established 30+ players who will likely get a lot of minutes (and even become default starters - at least that would seem likely in Bale's case). If you're chasing trophies, here and now, it makes sense - of course: you need proven quality in every part of the team, including backup-options. But as I see it, we aren't primarily chasing trophies at this stage - we're still...getting there.

Ighalo (who has been mentioned already) is in a different category from either Perisic or (especially) Bale: he's an obvious short-term backup option who is happy to mainly sit on the bench (rather than fading into further obscurity in China). Perisic is a CL winner and a player who obviously won't fancy himself as a designated bench option who'll be feeding on scraps (like Ighalo will). Bale is a huge name - a player who'd make grand headlines were he to join United (won't happen now, thankfully, and was probably never on the cards - but the point stands).

But I do concede that if we fail to bring in an obvious upgrade who makes sense on all levels (e.g. Sancho), then getting someone like Perisic (not Bale - and he was part of the original question) on a deal which doesn't strain resources and which is decidedly short-term...might be...okay?

Fair enough?