Ivan Rakitić

Discussion in 'Transfer Forum' started by MyOnlySolskjaer, May 21, 2019.

  1. May 22, 2019

    GBBQ Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2012
    Messages:
    3,800
    Location:
    Ireland
    yeah i can't imagine United would want to take him on after that outburst. Evra said they have kind of disowned him since his outburst about PSG and Raketic's statement was a lot less open to interpretation. Given how Israel Folau's comments have been taken on twitter and how highly united prize social media engagement this seems like an unlikely move and a potential PR disaster.

    Also he doesn't fit in with Solskjaer's desire for a young core of players.

    All told we should avoid like the plague
  2. May 22, 2019

    Ole’s Wheel New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2019
    Messages:
    649
    Supports:
    CR7
    Sure, let’s let players live off their name and make bucketloads of wages while destroying our wage structure.


    ...wasn’t Matic supposed to be better than most our midfielders, how about Schweinsteiger? Wasn’t Alexis supposed to be better than all our attackers? :boring:
  3. May 22, 2019

    RedStarUnited Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2008
    Messages:
    6,174
    So we didn't renew Ander and now we will pay 30m+ and probably higher wages than Ander for a player who will turn 32 in the next season.

    Very nice.
  4. May 22, 2019

    Rozay Master of Hindsight

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2012
    Messages:
    14,672
    Location:
    #SmallingPlusOne
    So are you saying that Rakitic is NOT actually better than all of our midfielders (bar Pogba), only his reputation suggests that he is?

    The argument about wages is academic as we have not begun to discuss numbers, nor have I proposed any salary.

    And Matic our best defensive midfielder. Immediately. Not in 5 years when he ‘reaches his peak’. He isn’t anymore, hence us looking to replace him. That was always the plan, he wasn’t being signed for 10 years. And Sanchez has just turned 29 a few weeks before we signed him. There was nothing wrong at all with signing him at that age, and the fact that he has failed is on him.

    I can give you Robin Van Persie, Teddy Sheringham, Edwin Van Der Saar as counter arguments. I repeat, if you want to only sign 19 year olds you will fall short. Half of them won’t make it, and the half that do, will demand to leave when they do, on the basis that half their team is filled with the half that don’t, and won’t win shite.
  5. May 22, 2019

    Rozay Master of Hindsight

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2012
    Messages:
    14,672
    Location:
    #SmallingPlusOne
    Is the fact that he’s a much better player than Ander Herrera totally irrelevant?
  6. May 22, 2019

    Pace Abuser Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2016
    Messages:
    1,170
    Yay another player coming to lose his legs on our pitch for obscene wages.
  7. May 22, 2019

    Suvvernmanc Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    426
    As I said. Rakitic is twice the player Matic is. Roughly same age and probably cheaper. No brainer. Were paying £15m for Daniel James ffs. Your wumming and I'm not falling for it
  8. May 22, 2019

    Volumiza Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2018
    Messages:
    995
    Location:
    Somewhere in the middle
    A good point crudely and sarcastically made!

    Brilliant player and if we could get him for a very low fee then maybe, but not bought as a final solution to our midfield problems. If we could get him as well as Rice and Neves that would be fine but we don't need another ageing star on massive wages.
  9. May 22, 2019

    Evans999 New Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2014
    Messages:
    74
    Location:
    Wales
    I cannot believe everyone is saying 31 is too old. Fernandinho is still a force for man city at the age of 34.
  10. May 22, 2019

    AgentP Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2013
    Messages:
    4,802
    Location:
    Chennai
    I really hope this is not true. This will be a wrong move for so many reasons. He is 31 and is already declining. The reported fee of 55m euros is preposterous and he will also want a huge contract. He won't be able to handle the pace of EPL at this age. There are so many good options out there at a much younger age and cheaper cost as well.
  11. May 22, 2019

    AltiUn likes playing with swords after fantasies

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2014
    Messages:
    10,992
    Location:
    Leyland
    I'll be honest, I don't think he's been that good for a while now and he's only going to continue going downward. He wouldn't be a good signing, people are taking his name into account too much again instead of him as an actual player, thinking along those lines lead us to Schweinsteiger/Matic et al.
  12. May 22, 2019

    Suvvernmanc Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    426
    Our midfield currently is Fred, Matic, Mctominay, Pereira and Pogba.. Rakitic would be our best midfielder by a country mile. Hes 31 not 35. The fee would be around £30m if reports are true. That peanuts for a midfielder that'll give us 2 years minimum.

    A loan fee these days is around £15m per season. At that price hes a bargain!!!
  13. May 22, 2019

    AltiUn likes playing with swords after fantasies

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2014
    Messages:
    10,992
    Location:
    Leyland
    He wouldn't be out best midfielder. For all the flak he gets, Pogba on his day would be far and away our best midfielder especially considering the current incarnation of Rakitic. I don't like the idea that just because he's better than what we currently have then we should go for him, what we have is awful and there's plenty of players out there who would make improve us and offer us a lot more years of service than Rakitic.

    Also, there's no guarantee we'd get two years minimum at all. We've been burned by transfers like this in the past, like I said, he's not as good as he used to be and he's not going to have a late career surge. I'd be disappointed if we signed him.

    I surely can't be the only one who thinks £15m for a season-long loan is anything but a bargain, right? Plus, it actually says we're willing to go above £30m.
  14. May 22, 2019

    Reiver Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2016
    Messages:
    1,157
    Location:
    Near Glasgow
    I'm not bothered by his age, we could still get three good seasons out of him. Just don't overpay on him.
    I'd be more worried that he's only available because he's not the player he was. If he was still performing close to what he has been capable of, I don't think Barca would be willing to sell.
  15. May 22, 2019

    Devils11 New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2018
    Messages:
    169
    Waste of money on a 31 years old with no resale value and probably won't last more than 2 seasons in the competitive english league. Why not Bruno Fernandes instead ?
  16. May 22, 2019

    NJM78 Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2014
    Messages:
    5,229
    Is De Jong the same type of player?
  17. May 22, 2019

    berbasloth4 Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2012
    Messages:
    3,962
    Location:
    ireland
    Why the hell should we be worrying about resale value?? We are bringing in what looks like a few young players. You need to get the balance right between youth and experience, our experience is young jones smalling matic - not good enough. He would be a great signing and leader for the kids coming in
  18. May 22, 2019

    yamo123x Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2003
    Messages:
    1,820
    Location:
    england
    ive watched barca alot and he is largely anonymous, one of those luxury players who is elegant on the ball but does little. He was better in with xavi and iniesta a few years back but then i'd look good alongside them two
  19. May 22, 2019

    NJM78 Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2014
    Messages:
    5,229
    Exactly, fans always go on about resale value when we couldn't give half our players away for free.
    Feck resale we need better players full stop.
  20. May 22, 2019

    RedCoffee Rants that backfired

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2010
    Messages:
    1,541
    Don't see the point in buying castoffs from any of our big euro rivals. The only reason they would come here is because they aren't wanted elsewhere and for the cash. This is a pointless strategy as we have learnt to our peril.
  21. May 22, 2019

    Enigma_87 You know who

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2008
    Messages:
    22,914
    Good thing Kroos resigned.
  22. May 22, 2019

    NJM78 Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2014
    Messages:
    5,229
    Are we a Barcelona rival. Historically yes. Now no chance, we are more likely a rival to Valencia and Sevilla and thats me being generous. They would probably take him if they could afford him.
  23. May 22, 2019

    Suvvernmanc Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    426
    Pogba on his day? When was his last good day? City away last season? 10 ish games after Jose got sacked? Pogba needs better players around him to give him the free role he craves. Hes got Matic and Mctominay at the moment. For France hes got Kante and Matuidi. Same thing for Juve.

    Rakitic has been playing in nearly every game for Barcelona because hes pivotal to their possession game. He played a worldy tournament for Croatia in the summer too so beg to differ on him being a dud this season, hes not been his usual world class self for barca but is still 100% better than Pogba.

    It is fairly difficult to compare Pogba and Rakitic though as they are such different types of midfielders. Rakitic alongside a #6 destroyer or a possession type midfielder is where the best of Rakitic comes out. I get that we dont have that at the moment, and him coming in would only please me if we replaced Matic with a Neves or Ndidi type player.

    I said I thought Rakitic would gives us a minimum of 2 years. This implies he could well give us more. Most reports are that Barca want €55m (£48m) but we want It down to around £30m. I'm saying it would be a good deal at that figure and I stand by that.

    The underrating of Rakitic on here when we were 6th place this season, and we have the worst midfield for a very long time.

    We need a couple of midfielders and if we keep Pogba, bring in a Matic replacement and get Rakitic in, from a tactical point of view, we could keep possession much better and have creativity from more than just 1 midfield player.
  24. May 22, 2019

    Roboc7 Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2014
    Messages:
    3,271
    Looks like he is starting to decline and that’s why he’s for sale.

    Don’t think we should be buying players we will have to start replacing 1-2 years later, we have enough players to replace already.
  25. May 22, 2019

    Gordon S New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2018
    Messages:
    711
  26. May 22, 2019

    poleglass red Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2015
    Messages:
    1,663

    The comments he made was back in 2012 when he played for Sevilla. I find it strange that they are only re-surfacing now again when Barca are looking rid of him. I also find it strange that Barca are some sort of moral crusaders who would be outraged by his comments, they'd no issue buying Suarez after his Evra comments. In fairness to Rakitic in 2014 he claimed his comments were a misunderstanding "I'm open to sharing a dressing room with anyone who is a good person and a good player, and sexual orientation is not important to me". Whether his original statement was taken out of context, whether his subsequent clarification is genuine, I don't know, but it's a risky business digging out old quotes footballers made
  27. May 22, 2019

    Jim Beam The Joker

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2017
    Messages:
    7,042
    Location:
    Bat Country
    His last words and they appeared in today's paper in Croatia.

    Translation:

    I actually do think that Barca would like to sell as they need money for De Ligt and Griezmann, but he is now more than 8 years in Spain and well settled with his family (wife is from Sevilla and 2 daughters also born and raised in Spain). If anything I can see him going back to Sevilla or some other Spanish club for the last contract.

    But, most of all, I don't think it is best idea to sign a 31-year old who probably wouldn't want to be here and won't see it as a major challenge, instead coming because Barcelona pushed him out and we put a lot of money. Roy Keane said in his book to never sign a player who will see your club as a step down in his career. Couldn't agree more with that.

    There are certainly better options out there.
  28. May 22, 2019

    Adam-Utd Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2010
    Messages:
    22,016
    Exactly. Same reason why I wouldn't sign Bale either.

    Signing players like this (Schweinsteiger/Di Maria etc) are exactly the type we've made mistakes with before. We should have got Rakitic at Sevilla, but now that's gone.

    Unless we can sign him for extremely cheap and he proves he'd love to play for us, i'd rather go for people like Longstaff/Partey etc.
  29. May 22, 2019

    Frank Grimes Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2014
    Messages:
    4,983
    Location:
    Newbies 15/16 FPL Champion.
    Always been a big fan but definitely do not want at this stage of his career.
  30. May 22, 2019

    Kearnkoff69 Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2011
    Messages:
    2,259
    Location:
    yank
    I would have taken him back when he moved from Sevilla, but he is not what we need and I do not believe his heart would be in it if we did buy him. We need players who want to be here and are ready to fight and scrap to get us back to the top. Excellent player, wrong timing I'm afraid.
  31. May 22, 2019

    Johnbouche New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2018
    Messages:
    34
    Is this supposed change is transfer strategy not to go youthful and energetic? Rakitic is a good player but suggested cost is way over the odds, plus I dont want to line Barcelona's pockets.

    This is the biggest problem with our club, there is no set in stone ethos or transfer policy with long term thinking behind it. The way Ole talks he wants a team that can grow together in to something special, going for a player you will likely have to replace in 2 years isn't exactly backing up this claim. However i do agree you need some experience in the side and preferably known winners but for this position id rather go for some one younger to counter Matic & Mata who's best days are behind them.
  32. May 22, 2019

    berbasloth4 Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2012
    Messages:
    3,962
    Location:
    ireland
    hardly wrong timing, he is a model professional. You need to realise we aren't on par with Barcelona now we have to climb back to that. He would be a perfect signing the way he works would be inspirational to those around him.
  33. May 22, 2019

    Ish Lights on for Luke

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2010
    Messages:
    24,419
    Location:
    Where fans' expectations are too high
    Good post Jim.
  34. May 22, 2019

    Suv666 Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2016
    Messages:
    2,942
    Honestly not bothered by the age, he has been very average whenever I've seen him play, which is not a lot btw.
  35. May 22, 2019

    Devils11 New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2018
    Messages:
    169
    How are you so certain he will be a great signing? So what happen if he doesn't adapt to our league ? Remember Bastian Schweinsteiger ? There is none more experienced than him.... Germany Captain, World Cup winner.

    I don't mind buying Rakitic, but there is certainly better options out there.
    Last edited by a moderator: May 22, 2019
  36. May 22, 2019

    Suv666 Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2016
    Messages:
    2,942
    Jesus.
    Was he at fined for this?? I dont remember Rakitic getting fined or punished ever.
  37. May 22, 2019

    SS Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2016
    Messages:
    3,442
    I'd rather we went for someone like Tielemans. He'd be a similar price according to what I've seen and would probably actually want to come here.
  38. May 22, 2019

    flappyjay Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2016
    Messages:
    2,416
    Because if they flop you better have someone willing to buy them. This must be a thing at man united olny because it seems the other elite clubs do care
  39. May 22, 2019

    berbasloth4 Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2012
    Messages:
    3,962
    Location:
    ireland
    sure if you bring in a younger player on which would most likely be on a longer contract and they flop then your stuck with one for longer..
  40. May 22, 2019

    flappyjay Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2016
    Messages:
    2,416
    Their easier to sell off and recoup a good amount of what you spent. See Memphis and Schneiderlin.