Yeah i am punching you, if you grab me by the neck
Ivan Toney | Arrested on suspicion of two counts of assault and one count of affray.
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Gerard got off with battering someone because the guy looked at him the wrong way….im sure Toney will be fine
Seems odd to even charge him with that, I'm assuming there were a lot of witnesses who can attest to the fact this guy grabbed him by the neck first.
Yeah, grabbing a neck is a trigger in itself, so long as he didn't go OTT in the aftermath, he'll be fine.
Depends how his neck was grabbed (I would be surprised if it was a full neck grab and not the typical hand on back/neck which you see happen when someone tries to get a photo) but it's funny how acceptable it is for a footballer to headbutt and break someone's nose and just get away with it. 
Depends how his neck was grabbed (I would be surprised if it was a full neck grab and not the typical hand on back/neck which you see happen when someone tries to get a photo) but it's funny how acceptable it is for a footballer to headbutt and break someone's nose and just get away with it.
Yeah the 'selfie' thing infers its a more friendly (if uninvited) shoulder / back grab.
Not cool, but also doesn’t sound like it would be reasonable to do more than push them off you.
They are targets for robbery and assault so they get a pass when it comes to uninvited physical engagement, especially if it’s leery or in a leery environment - they’d even be foolhardy to permit contact with strangers they haven’t assessed first. Paranoia should be high; walking around with £100,000’s in jewellery is also a huge no-no in a crowded environment.Depends how his neck was grabbed (I would be surprised if it was a full neck grab and not the typical hand on back/neck which you see happen when someone tries to get a photo) but it's funny how acceptable it is for a footballer to headbutt and break someone's nose and just get away with it.
He hasn’t been charged
Don't really agree with the bolded. As I said, if it actually was a full neck grab then I understand trying to shove someone away but I'd be surprised if it was and there is a leap from getting someone off you to headbutting them.
Yeah, but that was a Liverpool jury (actually a genuine term, believe it or not - it means a jury which is anti-establishment and therefore more prone to giving not guilty verdicts).
We don’t know if he has anxiety, fear, paranoia, all three. In this day and age people definitely shouldn’t be engaging without permission - you have absolutely no idea what’s going through the other person’s head or how they will react. That same touch could just as easily be the initialisation of an attack or robbery attempt.
There’s absolutely no way you should be putting your hands on someone in that kind of setting without the OK.
I don't think you should either but it shouldn't give you the excuse to headbutt them without consequence.
Really depends on the level of threat felt and panic induced. If he felt he was in danger, he has to establish clearance and space to be able to assess the situation and his options (escape or otherwise). If he’s done it out of malice, that’s obviously a different story.
Someone touching/reaching for your neck without permission is one of the most dangerous scenarios, which requires bridging and disengagement at the earliest opportunity, which will be a factor in itself. You’re in so much jeopardy if your neck is taken, whether from the person initialising or anyone who might be an intentional, additional assailant or even an opportunist - he’s a footballer, people not coming in peace has to be something to be vigilant of.
Even if found guilty, I doubt he will see a cell.
Did he look the other way as he butted him?
So it wasn't Munoz then.
If someone reaches out to grab you unexpectedly, you'll react, not sure if you'd nut them, but whoever grabbed him probably deserved a dig.
If someone reaches out to grab you unexpectedly, you'll react, not sure if you'd nut them, but whoever grabbed him probably deserved a dig.
A great player, but a difficult personality.
10 game ban for Casemiro
Oooo your 'ard
Its in a nightclub in Soho, It probably wasn't a friendly grab.
Is there a break in the SA season or something, what’s he doing in soho?
He’s not been charged. Only arrested and bailed for further enquiries to be completed
Yes, break between 1-18 December for the Arab Cup.
I am not 'ard as you say. I would say i am a mellow person. But a grab on the neck by a stranger turn woukd on my fight or flight response. I would punch then take flight.
And point deduction for Forest.
5 goals for Pele
We aren’t getting him in January then.
Depends how his neck was grabbed (I would be surprised if it was a full neck grab and not the typical hand on back/neck which you see happen when someone tries to get a photo) but it's funny how acceptable it is for a footballer to headbutt and break someone's nose and just get away with it.
If he shouted get off me a couple of times and tried to struggle away as it seems, the neck grab at least must have been strong enough to hold him there.
I don't often condone violence but if someone grabs you and you shout for them to stop and they don't, what other options do you have?
That said, there's nuance there. If the guy grabs him and releases, then gets headbutted, it's different.
I think I'd probably shove them away rather than headbutt them. Seems a bit extreme. I guess when further details are released we will understand how aggressive the other bloke was.
So Toney was the 29 year old that the BBC was talking about? Or?
This was from before it actually came out that it was him
Clearly been out of the country too long and doesn't understand that in England being grabbed by the neck and asked for a selfie is a term of endearment.
only imbeciles thought it was
Yeah, I guess I assumed that was tried and wasn't working for some reason. Headbutting wouldn't be my instinctual first reaction either
Sounds like a case of FAFO for the drunken idiot.
Ivan Tony Soprano.
While I totally agree with the idea of your safety, headbutting someone is rarely ever proportional to that. In general it makes no sense, as you're literally throwing your head towards your potential threat. You only ever headbutt someone to inflict maximum damage, so I think he would have to feel in serious danger to really ever justify it.
It is if they're not letting go.
I bet footballers get a massive amount of people invading their personal space compared to the average person so to react like he did it must've been extra aggressive.
If someone grabbed me like that I'd instantly defend myself.
Free the guys. Grabbing people by the neck is like Van Gaal said “only allowed in sex masochism”