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He's not a real world class player, just a fake one.You don't think Bruno is world class?
He's not a real world class player, just a fake one.You don't think Bruno is world class?
He’s been the best player in the PL since signing for united.Like I've said, haven't seen much of Utd since he went to you guys. You could consider him world class depending on your definition of it, I suppose, no qualms about that. Don't think he'd make a World XI right now though.
Then how can you pass judgement on a team you have hardly seen play?Like I've said, haven't seen much of Utd since he went to you guys. You could consider him world class depending on your definition of it, I suppose, no qualms about that. Don't think he'd make a World XI right now though.
Fecking hell, you don't need to watch every game of Sheffield this season either to conclude that they've been shit. I said "I don't think they're anything special" with the disclaimer that I haven't watched you a lot. Otherwise I'd have said "they aren't anything special".Then how can you pass judgement on a team you have hardly seen play?
Welcome to us watching you shithouse wins while not blowing teams away pre Christmas last year.
I'll give you Bruno happily enough. Rashford a tier below that for me. De Gea and Pogba used to be.@RobinLFC - if Bruno IS NOT world class, can you tell me who in Liverpool’s team IS world class?
just so we can see where your barometer is at.
I know there is rivalry between the two clubs, but most rational people can evaluate opposition players fairly.
That's fine but don't you think it's a bit silly to be making definite statements about something you admit you don't really know much about?Like I've said, haven't seen much of Utd since he went to you guys. You could consider him world class depending on your definition of it, I suppose, no qualms about that. Don't think he'd make a World XI right now though.
Not really, or you think that people watch every team in the league when they say "X and Y have been the best players in the PL" too? How many games of Messi do you think the average guy watches per season before stating he's the best in the world? How many full games of him do I need to see before I can say that about him?That's fine but don't you think it's a bit silly to be making definite statements about something you admit you don't really know much about?
They'll generally have watched them play more than once, that's just common sense.Not really, or you think that people watch every team in the league when they say "X and Y have been the best players in the PL" too?
He's just a poor man's Dumbstar trying to WUMThat's fine but don't you think it's a bit silly to be making definite statements about something you admit you don't really know much about?
Edit: don't bother answering. Just seen that you're calling people sensitive souls because they're questioning something baseless that you said.
I was just asking. It's interesting to see how the rawk mentality works.Based on what should I think you are special then? No "wow" results, no real world class players, no silverware in the last few years and a subdued performance in the one game I saw you play this season. That indeed results in me saying "I don't think they're anything special", yes.
That's about right, yeah. Apart from the 6-2 against Leeds, our most convincing win was... hell I'm not even sure. Probably Southampton away - and we turned that around from 2-0 down. We don't do comfortable, confident wins.Their results suggest that they're on a great run without necessarily playing great football / overclassing opponents, but rather grinding out wins. Not sure that it's actually true though.
Pretty much this. You're just talking in extremes really, which is kind of childish.Not really, or you think that people watch every team in the league when they say "X and Y have been the best players in the PL" too? How many games of Messi do you think the average guy watches per season before stating he's the best in the world? How many full games of him do I need to see before I can say that about him?
But honestly, the fact you've stood by what you said shows it's not worth carrying this on.They'll generally have watched them play more than once, that's just common sense.
by any definition Bruno is a world class player.Fecking hell, you don't need to watch every game of Sheffield this season either to conclude that they've been shit. I said "I don't think they're anything special" with the disclaimer that I haven't watched you a lot. Otherwise I'd have said "they aren't anything special".
A lot of sensitive souls on here all of a sudden, I haven't even said anything remotely controversial.
I'll give you Bruno happily enough. Rashford a tier below that for me. De Gea and Pogba used to be.
At Liverpool - Alisson, TAA (not this season), Van Dijk, Robertson, Thiago (not yet this season), Salah (not this season) and Mane.
Exactly.Then how can you pass judgement on a team you have hardly seen play?
Welcome to us watching you shithouse wins while not blowing teams away pre Christmas last year.
Mate, I could make a hundred perfectly valid claims about United and one questionable one and I'd get jumped on by the lot of you. Predictable, probably, but also very tiresome so I'll leave you to it.But honestly, the fact you've stood by what you said shows it's not worth carrying this on.
By definition, people aren't going to question a valid claim are they? I don't quote every single thing I agree with on here. It wouldn't make for a sensible forum.Mate, I could make a hundred perfectly valid claims about United and one questionable one and I'd get jumped on by the lot of you. Predictable, probably, but also very tiresome so I'll leave you to it.
I'll give you Bruno as world class, but yes I definitely stick to the fact that you don't need to watch teams a lot to draw conclusions about them.
You've seen us play 1 game all season then declare us nothing special. Not really a great sample size to base an opinion. If you were not so myopic you would have noticed a recent 6 -2 demolition of a Leeds team in what many regard as 1 of the greatest PL games of all time.Based on what should I think you are special then? No "wow" results, no real world class players, no silverware in the last few years and a subdued performance in the one game I saw you play this season. That indeed results in me saying "I don't think they're anything special", yes.
I watch every MOTD but if I use that as an argument I'll get another 10 replies with "how can you draw conclusions from some game highlights".By definition, people aren't going to question a valid claim are they? I don't quote every single thing I agree with on here. It wouldn't make for a sensible forum.
Also, I agree that you don't need to watch teams a lot, but I'll maintain you need to watch them more than once. We aren't anything special, that's spot on. But Bruno is definitely in the world class discussion, at the least.
Wait, what?You've seen us play 1 game all season then declare us nothing special. Not really a great sample size to base an opinion. If you were not so myopic you would have noticed a recent 6 -2 demolition of a Leeds team in what many regard as 1 of the greatest PL games of all time.
Pointless argument. If Liverpool start clicking and you don't, you don't have a chance to stay close to us. It works both ways, and the reality is that no team in the PL has looked great for an extended period of time.ExecutionerWasp001 said:I don't think we've hit top gear yet this season but we top the league. It's ok for you to be worried. I would be in your position. If we do start clicking i don't see either you or City catching us.
So by your logic you know Sheffield are shit because they’re at the bottom of the table and their results tell you it. And you know that United, currently top of the league are shit because...Fecking hell, you don't need to watch every game of Sheffield this season either to conclude that they've been shit.
So by your logic, "I don't think they are anything special" equals "United are shit".So by your logic you know Sheffield are shit because they’re at the bottom of the table and their results tell you it. And you know that United, currently top of the league are shit because...
In the same way you don't need to read 14,000 posts to draw a conclusion about a poster?Mate, I could make a hundred perfectly valid claims about United and one questionable one and I'd get jumped on by the lot of you. Predictable, probably, but also very tiresome so I'll leave you to it.
I'll give you Bruno as world class, but yes I definitely stick to the fact that you don't need to watch teams a lot to draw conclusions about them.
Hey you get it, exactly!In the same way you don't need to read 14,000 posts to draw a conclusion about a poster?
Hey you get it, exactly!
You should see my other 245 though.
Hey you get it, exactly!
You should see my other 245 though.
you're so bitterwe should thrash this Utd team that struggles against any half decent oppos as they haven't beaten any top six side yet and were thoroughly, thoroughly outclassed by a half functioning City in the cup.
Even this doesnt make sense. If Sheff Utd are shit because theyre last, we must be great because we're first?Fecking hell, you don't need to watch every game of Sheffield this season either to conclude that they've been shit. I said "I don't think they're anything special" with the disclaimer that I haven't watched you a lot. Otherwise I'd have said "they aren't anything special".
A lot of sensitive souls on here all of a sudden, I haven't even said anything remotely controversial.
I'll give you Bruno happily enough. Rashford a tier below that for me. De Gea and Pogba used to be.
At Liverpool - Alisson, TAA (not this season), Van Dijk, Robertson, Thiago (not yet this season), Salah (not this season) and Mane.
Even this doesnt make sense. If Sheff Utd are shit because theyre last, we must be great because we're first?
You dont have to watch every game to judge a side but feck me watch at least 2 games before you can make a judgement
If you had been playing great all season, trust me, I'd have known about it from on here. You can't really read past the negative comments on here after games or the shit some of your players regularly get.So by your logic, "I don't think they are anything special" equals "United are shit".
Okay then, great thinking.
Based on what should I think you are special then? No "wow" results, no real world class players, no silverware in the last few years and a subdued performance in the one game I saw you play this season. That indeed results in me saying "I don't think they're anything special", yes.
That's true, especially if you're having to cycle off too.Dunno, looking at City's latest results it seems like they got it together right now after a very poor start, but could be wrong as well. Haven't watched almost any football this season apart from our own games.
Looking at the league table, if no team really improves anymore then low 80s will definitely be enough to be in the title race, which hasn't been the case the last few years. The quality at the top has definitely dropped a few levels, and I think it's a combination of corona fatigue and the fact that City/Liverpool have been at such a high level the past few years (City 17-19 and we 18-20) which just isn't sustainable for a lot of seasons in a row. You also see/saw the likes of Juventus, Bayern, PSG, Real, Barca etc. struggling early on (and even right now) which is definitely due to the short break and all that stuff imo.
I honestly think we have. We are undefeated away from home since the last time you beat us, almost 12 months ago.If you had been playing great all season, trust me, I'd have known about it from on here. You can't really read past the negative comments on here after games or the shit some of your players regularly get.
Unless you do think that you've been great this season, of course.
Fair enough, won't argue with that, but it seems a bit like a rose tinted representation to me.I honestly think we have. We are undefeated away from home since the last time you beat us, almost 12 months ago.
Theres always an asterisk next to our form that clouds peoples judgement so they go from one yes but to another yes but.
Cant beat low blocks / lower opposition? Beat every bottom half of the table side bar 2 mid way through the season.
We struggle against top sides this year? 1 defeat against those in top half of league and that has a huge asterisk next to it due to our match fitness in Spurs.
We are on course to beat Citys 2nd place points total from last year, thats after sacrificing the first 3 games that lowers that total. If we keep the same tempo as we are now, we could be touching a late 80s points total which goes against the Covid stricken league being a crap shoot that has everybody on par so nobody is excellent.
There are no lowering of league standards here. We are genuinely the best team in England at the minute.
I could quote you nearly the entire Liverpool run pre Christmas if you want?Fair enough, won't argue with that, but it seems a bit like a rose tinted representation to me.
Needed an injury time winner to beat Wolves, went 2-0 down to the bottom team in the league, went down 2-0 against Soton and needed an injury time winner, couldn't beat City at home, couldn't hold your lead against Leicester, needed a (debatable, or so I've read) penalty to beat Villa and a deflected goal to beat Burnley last night (yes yes, Maguire's goal was perfectly fine, I know).
"Great" teams win easily against bottom half teams and perform well in games against the top sides / sides which are playing well this season, and you could argue that you've done neither. Something you blasted Liverpool for last season (or two seasons ago, can't remember) was all the 1-0s and one-goal margin victories against the bottom sides, and that's what happened for you guys against WBA, Sheffield, Burnley, (also Wolves, Villa and Soton but they're top half right now so). That shows that you've (imo) not really been great, but rather have been great at grinding out results - which, credit where credit due, is "a sign of champions" or whatever you wanna call it, it's what Liverpool excelled at last season.
You don't go on a W9D2L0 streak since Nov 1 if you're not a good team - you clearly are. But forgive me to say that you don't look like you're anything special, like how City dominated in years past or like Liverpool looked unstoppable in the first half of last season. Your run is undeniably very good though, but the fact that I read on here, by Utd fans, that "you've yet to really click, and just wait until that happens" shows that you're not that great yet. Liverpool is 3 points behind and have been poor for large periods of the season, so the reasoning "we're top so we're great" (not saying that you've made that one) doesn't hold up for me, a team can easily be tops or thereabouts right now without having been great at all.
You could look at it from two perspectives imo - you've not really been great and even then you've put together a great streak in itself, so you could be scary once you really hit it off. If you believe that narrative, you're most definitely going to be in the title race. Or you could argue that you're a good team on a good streak that had a bit of luck here and there, and that this streak is an anomaly which is bound to correct itself sooner or later.
Beat us on Sunday and that'd be a serious statement.
Robin used to be a great poster, now he just comes up with weird stuff and tries to portray it as being rational. Doubting Bruno's world class credentials is just downright weird, he's been wonderful since joining the PL.He's just a poor man's Dumbstar trying to WUM
Great poster, difficult personality... You know how it goes!Robin used to be a great poster, now he just comes up with weird stuff and tries to portray it as being rational. Doubting Bruno's world class credentials is just downright weird, he's been wonderful since joining the PL.
@RobinLFC what's up mate, you cracking?
Fecking @RobbingLFC, that's just downright stupid.RobbingLFC also said Firmino was more important than Salah. He has a very weird opinion on players.
Great poster, difficult personality... You know how it goes!