He will be big money now. Wonder if Herr Klopp will try and find his own gem.
Think Sakho could have been good with Matip.
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Think Sakho could have been good with Matip.
I think Mignolet would have saved a few of those shots on Sunday. Probably would have had a rick too boot but we would have won.
when did mignolet become a keeper who saves shots?
His save percentage was the worst in the league of any first choice keeper last season.
His save percentage was the worst in the league of any first choice keeper last season.
Don't know his percentages but to me Klarius doesn't even stretch for the ball on two of those goals. Feel he's a bit "rabbit in the headlights" atm.
I'm sticking with him but I'm worried about him. He needs to improve quickly now.
You guys could and should have signed Timo Horn, but chose Karius.
Timo Horn is calm, assured and no nonsense and that's the kind of keeper Liverpool needed IMO.
Karius did make a few decent saves though that for the ones Karius let in that Mignolet may have held on to he may have also let in the ones Karius saved.
I'm a big fan of Horn as well. Although I do sometimes question how much he benefits from how good Koln's defensive system is.
That said he is who I hope Spurs sign should Lloris ever leave.
Pretty much the same was said about Karius at Mainz last season. Karius and Horn were equally impressive in the last Bundesliga season and amongst the league´s top keeper. They are differences between them of course (Karius has better distribution but is a bit weaker in the air than Horn for example) but nearly no frequent Bundesliga follower would doubt their overall quality.
I think many underestimate how hard the Transition to a bigger club can be for a GK. We have seen many times that it would take time for keeper to really arrive at their new club.
We went through the same period last season with Roman Bürki. Bürki was performing like a world beater for Freiburg, but struggled pretty heavily in his first half season with us (so much that quite a few had a new GK at the top of their lists for the summer transfer window). Now in his second season he is completely undisputed and actually wins us games from time to time.
This kind of thing can be even witnessed on an even higher level. Premium level keeper like Neuer or De Gea did not have super convincing starts at their clubs either.
There is of course no guarantuee that Karius will come good eventually, but it is far too soon to write him off just yet. If he has as much frequency in his mistakes at the end of the season and Shows no real signs of development, then it will be a different story, though.
It's very true that De Gea was pretty awful in his first season or so - it's impossible to judge young keepers early on. If Klopp sticks with him you have to assume he's got something good, but hopefully he doesn't show it for a few more months!
What about that Leno guy? How come Liverpool or even Man City didn't go in for him?
Hearing from a Pool mate of mine at work that apparently Matip might be going to AFCON now. This true?
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Cameroon coach:
The Cameroon manager is trying to get him to play. I really hope he says no because we'll need him in January. I've also heard that we're not interested in Van Dijk either which is disappointing if true. Klopp is apparently keen to get Gomez back into the set up.
Fingers crossed Matip gets convinced to go and Van Dijk isn't signed either
We can't go into January with three competitions to play in and Lovren/Lucas as our first choice CB's, so I'll assume that we're signing a defender in January or that there is a plan to bring Gomez in.Fingers crossed Matip gets convinced to go and Van Dijk isn't signed either
Return of the Sakho?
I don't think that's happening considering what's been said recently (about Sakho having no future at the club), but then I didn't think I'd see Schweinsteiger in a United shirt again. Never say never and all that.
Klopp made it very clear at his press conference before last that Sakho would be sold ASAP, in January if at all possible I'm sure. 0% chance of any return to the squad. He doesn't even train with them.
Realistically targets for Liverpool in the near future should include a new left-back (Milner is not a long term solution), a new centre-back partner for Matip (Lovren isn't good enough), and more depth for wingers.
Karius
Clyne - Matip - Van Dijk - Hector
Henderson - Can - Lallana
Mane - Firmino - Coutinho
A squad like that should be good enough to challenge for the league, especially with Klopp as manager, assuming that Karius is actually better than what he showed against Bournemouth.
Karius
Clyne - Matip - Van Dijk - Hector
Henderson - Can - Lallana
Mane - Firmino - Coutinho
A squad like that should be good enough to challenge for the league, especially with Klopp as manager, assuming that Karius is actually better than what he showed against Bournemouth.
Milner qualitywise is a longterm solution. Only downside is that he doesn't have that many years in him.
Klopp should be put in jail for that.
Should Mourinho ? What is worse ? Punishing and deciding a player who was disregarding club regulations and disrespecting the manager on camera should be kept apart from the squad, to avoid disruption, until sold, or punishing a player for ... who knows what Schweinsteiger did, do we even know ?
So.. You don't want to hear from a Liverpool fan again, that keeping Schweinsteiger out of your squad is bad managing?
No. Neither should Klopp.
Probably what Sakho done, I have no idea what that is, mind, though what you say next sounds a pretty bad.
Yes, he done nothing beyond being unpopular in the locker room for getting special treatment from LvG. Pure power move on Mourinho's part.
I agree. An upgrade on left back is not necessary for now. Milner is doing a great job there.
A CB with quality to challenge Matip and Lovren should be first priority in january.
Lovren, basically.
This is a relief considering how poor our other options are.
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Yeah, pretty unusual for an opposition coach to single out a player after the game and say they're a weakness. "We know they like to play it out from the back, so we wanted to press high to force mistakes" is fine. "Their keeper's shite", not so cool.
Did an opposition coach do that to Karius? I don't think Howe said anything, did he?
He didn't, it was Cook who said it was one of their tactics to make sure they put pressure on him.
That's a bit of an over-reaction from Klopp then if he is referring to what Cook said.
Cook was asked if they targeted the goalie and said "I’ve got to be honest, we did. We felt he was under a lot of pressure – obviously, playing for Liverpool you’ve got to be a very strong character. We did target him, we tried to pressure him and get as many shots at him as possible".
If that's "one of the worst things I've ever heard in my life", he's had a pretty sheltered life!
It's really moaning about nothing, perhaps just trying to distract attention away from Karius.
Is the right answer.
Liverpool 2:2 West Ham
it is odd seeing all the overreaction to Liverpool and how good they really are and how they are PL winning material. To win PL you need a solid keeper and very good defenders.
Luckily they lack all the above.
Luckily they lack all the above.
Matip howler and more goalkeeping errors.
Interesting period for Liverpool now as they look far from convincing at either end.
Interesting period for Liverpool now as they look far from convincing at either end.
You might want to send him going off today
Karius looks just as bad as Mignolet ever did.
When he joined them he was supposed to be the best young keeper in the world according to them
It's all part of the boom bust cycle. The summer is usually when their squad is man for man the best in the league.
Nah, one bad moment doesn't erase what's been a very solid start to Matip's Liverpool career.You might want to send him going off today