Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

[BigdaftGorby]

hmm, this is actually quite interesting (you may not agree with that)

if he's offside when the ball is played - obviously offside, even

but he (or anyone) then comes back to onside before they then go for the ball & get the ball, you could probably make the decision either way

1 - he was offside when the ball was played & gained possession

or

2 - it's a new phase of play because the player goes back onside & makes a definite separate movement, no advantage was actually gained from being in the offside position in the first place


well...

let's say he is offside, - (when the ball is headed)

he comes back onside to then move to go for the ball - and I now this sounds batshit, but by doing this he essentially creates his own new phase of play

possibly

I'm not sure about the VAR either - it really is incredibly marginal

So I haven’t avctually seen this but just answer me something?
If he was in an offside position when the ball was played then moved back onside only to then go for the ball. Right?

In between him moving back onside and then going for the ball does anyone in an onside position touch the ball?

If they do then it’s a new phase of play, but if nobody touches it then it is offside.

 

[BullishBull]

If we win you can guarantee Klopp will have some huge injustice to moan about. The tedious bell end.

I've never seen a United manager moan about anything in my lifetime. Never seen one moan about referees, ghost goals, the amount of time added on etc.

 

[Ban]

I've never seen a United manager moan about anything in my lifetime. Never seen one moan about referees, ghost goals, the amount of time added on etc.

At least you didn't mention Mourinho to defend Klopp.

Oh wait.

 

[BullishBull]

At least you didn't mention Mourinho to defend Klopp.

Oh wait.

I just think that United fans have short memories if they are to complain about other managers.

 

[Ban]

I just think that United fans have short memories if they are to complain about other managers.

So what's your point, we shouldn't say Klopp is moaning all the time just cause United managers moaned before?

 

[montpelier]

So I haven’t avctually seen this but just answer me something?
If he was in an offside position when the ball was played then moved back onside only to then go for the ball. Right?

In between him moving back onside and then going for the ball does anyone in an onside position touch the ball?

If they do then it’s a new phase of play, but if nobody touches it then it is offside.

yes, I ended up agreeing with your last sentence - no other way to do it realistically either

but speaking in the spirit of what is & what isn't a new phase of play - if a player runs a massive semi circle from offside, back to onside, then he's the first to react & proceed to take possession (ok, kick the ball) having done this then it's more legit for me than someone who's been goal-hanging for the previous 5 minutes but then finds himself back in the game because the progress of the ball down the wing puts him back onside (someone else touching the ball as you say in reality)

the goal-hanger has been difficult to mark, sought to gain an advantage by standing offside & then become legitimately active in the next phase

my hero running back onside is acting much more fairly but there's no new phase of play - I was arguing that it could be considered a new phase

it was then established that I was wrong / could never be right about this,

as you say, touch of the ball is essential to distinguish phases - which in a different example is Lovren's miskick for Kane's dive-pen - which looks stupid but follows what you say about a touch of the ball, without a touch of the ball it's the same phase & Kane is obviously offside

 

[Rafateria]

I just think that United fans have short memories if they are to complain about other managers.

I came into this thread by accident - the tagline has been removed and I thought it was a new thread (didn't check the number of pages) adn just read the last page. Normally I studiously avoid it because it is RC's equivilant of RAWK, so what else do you expect to read in here except venting based on bias and in some cases jealously ? Toodaloo !

 

[BigdaftGorby]

yes, I ended up agreeing with your last sentence - no other way to do it realistically either

but speaking in the spirit of what is & what isn't a new phase of play - if a player runs a massive semi circle from offside, back to onside, then he's the first to react & proceed to take possession (ok, kick the ball) having done this then it's more legit for me than someone who's been goal-hanging for the previous 5 minutes but then finds himself back in the game because the progress of the ball down the wing puts him back onside (someone else touching the ball as you say in reality)

the goal-hanger has been difficult to mark, sought to gain an advantage by standing offside & then become legitimately active in the next phase

my hero running back onside is acting much more fairly but there's no new phase of play - I was arguing that it could be considered a new phase

it was then established that I was wrong / could never be right about this,

as you say, touch of the ball is essential to distinguish phases - which in a different example is Lovren's miskick for Kane's dive-pen - which looks stupid but follows what you say about a touch of the ball, without a touch of the ball it's the same phase & Kane is obviously offside

Yes I see the moral difference of somebody doing the run around and regaining the ball, but unfortunately goal hanger who plays the offside rule to his advantage will always be around.
Inzaghe was one of the best/worst for it

 

[Inigo Montoya]

I've never seen a United manager moan about anything in my lifetime. Never seen one moan about referees, ghost goals, the amount of time added on etc.

Because you were too busy following your ailing team like good fan should

 

[SirAF]

I came into this thread by accident - the tagline has been removed and I thought it was a new thread (didn't check the number of pages) adn just read the last page. Normally I studiously avoid it because it is RC's equivilant of RAWK, so what else do you expect to read in here except venting based on bias and in some cases jealously ? Toodaloo !

Finally!

 

[GaryLifo]

I've never seen a United manager moan about anything in my lifetime. Never seen one moan about referees, ghost goals, the amount of time added on etc.

This is the Klopp thread. To complain about Jose please go to the appropriate thread.

In here we are discussing how much of a bell end Klopp is but gets away with it unlike other managers.

You know like when he screamed in the fourth official's face or when he ran the length of the pitch against spurs, or when he slammed that water bottle down in anger.

 

[GaryLifo]

So what's your point, we shouldn't say Klopp is moaning all the time just cause United managers moaned before?

By their argument, we should not charge a person who steals any more because other people have already been punished for stealing.

Or if one of our players two-foots Salah on Saturday, well, Liverpool fans must not complain, because, hey, I've seen Liverpool players do two footed tackles in the past...

 

[Ban]

By their argument, we should not charge a person who steals any more because other people have already been punished for stealing.

Or if one of our players two-foots Salah on Saturday, well, Liverpool fans must not complain, because, hey, I've seen Liverpool players do two footed tackles in the past...

Exactly.

 

[Ban]

I came into this thread by accident - the tagline has been removed and I thought it was a new thread (didn't check the number of pages) adn just read the last page. Normally I studiously avoid it because it is RC's equivilant of RAWK, so what else do you expect to read in here except venting based on bias and in some cases jealously ? Toodaloo !

Cheers mate.

 

[Sam Casley]

For my dissertation, I am conducting a survey on policing abroad for fans of English clubs and how this differs from UK policing. It would be great to get United fan's experiences abroad! The survey should take roughly 3 minutes! Thank you.



https://leicester.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/a-study-of-football-fans-experience-of-policing-abroad

 

[Adisa]

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[breakout67]

He really is a clown, Jose Mourinho not winning trophies . The guy is a born winner, how many managers would have binned the league and risked his job on the Europa League? That's how much belief he has in himself. Klopp the Clown in his first season lost in both the league cup and EL final, the same two finals that Mourinho won!

 

[Buchan]

I'd love to stuff them today but a part of me would also love to win via the spawniest way possible. Imagine the Klopp/LFC meltdown.

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

I'd love to stuff them today but a part of me would also love to win via the spawniest way possible. Imagine the Klopp/LFC meltdown.

One long ball up to Lukaku in the 92th minute

 

[Varun]

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He doesn't actually say that, typical shite headline.

 

[breakout67]

He doesn't actually say that, typical shite headline.

He said basically the same thing in the article. He said that defensive football doesn't work if you don't win trophies at United, well he's winning trophies so...

 

[do.ob]

Redcafe get's outraged over clickbait quote taken out of context vol 139587193859135.

 

[Varun]

He said basically the same thing in the article. He said that defensive football doesn't work if you don't win trophies at United, well he's winning trophies so...

The article basically admits he was politically correct on all questions Utd and Jose. Was asked if there's a responsibility to attack if you're a big spender to which he replied saying that. Didn't mention us or Jose either. Actually is quite honest in that piece saying Jose won 2 trophies last season and says he wishes they had won the 2 finals they were in too because it'd have changed a lot. Also says if they won the league next season, that's what would be remembered and now how they won it.

 

[MrMarcello]

He tried to dance around a pregame question on the three defensive-minded CMs he started today.

 

[Skills]

Pool are shook need to get another

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Exposed today.

 

[Xaviesta]

The only manager to beat Pep in the Premier League is facing a marmalisation if this continues.

 

[Skills]

100m worth of CB talent. Beaten by route 1

 

[Klopper76]

I don’t think he’s planned well for this tactically speaking.

Mourinho did.

 

[Xaviesta]

Biggest team talk of Liverpool tenure coming up. They must avoid getting sucked into a battle for a top four spot.

 

[Pexbo]

I don’t think he’s planned well for this tactically speaking.

Mourinho did.

I don’t think he’s one to plan games tactically, he sets his teams up to play the game they want to play in the belief that it’s enough to beat the opposition.

It’s why you guys consistently play fluid cohesive football but quickly come unstuck when a team gets in top of you.

Mourinho is the polar opposite, the game plan is designed for the opponent so consistency, cohesion and fluidity are difficult to foster but it’s rare that the opposition make a fool out of his sides.

 

[Klopper76]

I don’t think he’s one to plan games tactically, he sets his teams up to play the game they want to play in the belief that it’s enough to beat the opposition.

It’s why you guys consistently play fluid cohesive football but quickly come unstuck when a team gets in top of you.

Mourinho is the polar opposite, the game plan is designed for the opponent so consistency, cohesion and fluidity are difficult to foster but it’s rare that the opposition make a fool out of his sides.

Yeah that’s noticeable today. It’s clear Mourinho did his homework and targeted Lovren/Alexander-Arnold.

You’ve dealt with our front three brilliantly so far.

 

[Pexbo]

Yeah that’s noticeable today. It’s clear Mourinho did his homework and targeted Lovren/Alexander-Arnold.

You’ve dealt with our front three brilliantly so far.

With your front three we’ve done well to cut the supply to reduce the number of times their dangerous runs are picked out. McTominay in particular has done very well in that regard.

 

[Grylte]

With your front three we’ve done well to cut the supply to reduce the number of times their dangerous runs are picked out. McTominay in particular has done very well in that regard.

Don't think DDG has had to made a save yet.

 

[Klopper76]

Don't think DDG has had to made a save yet.

He’s had two hit straight at him. Van Dijk should’ve done better with that header as well.

 

[Grylte]

He’s had two hit straight at him. Van Dijk should’ve done better with that header as well.

True, i forgot the Firmino shot from 40 meters, straight on him

 

[Kapardin]

Yeah that’s noticeable today. It’s clear Mourinho did his homework and targeted Lovren/Alexander-Arnold.

You’ve dealt with our front three brilliantly so far.

Was never in doubt. First thing Mourinho does is always ensure that the most dangerous attacker (Hazard, Salah etc) is neutralized. I predicted yesterday that Salah would have a quiet game and so far, it is as I expected.

 

[ha_rooney]

It’s a good thing referees & the FA love his passion otherwise he’d be in the stands every week for his behaviour.

 

[SwansonsTache]

Norbert let off again.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Detestable cnut. Nothing new here.