Jürgen Klopp Watch

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Come on, you'd have loved it if he was in charge of United. Fergie carried the same mentality, all great managers do. Obviously to the opposition - he's a massive asshole, just like how Fergie is viewed anywhere outside United.
Probably but he isn't so I can't stand the fecker!
 

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Cannot believe you would not want Liverpool to lose. It's only November. Wants a draw :lol: :annoyed:

Liverpool losing gives Chelsea and city a better chance to win. If West ham finish ahead of United then that's our fault and that would still be ok than allowing Liverpool to win the league.
I don’t think Liverpool have the squad depth to win the league this season. And it would be embarrassing if West Ham finish above us especially with Moyes managing them.
 

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Surely the United job is made for him now. Sleeping giant and all that, just like Liverpool were, before he went there.
You have to do three trophy-less years under Rodgers first. Then you’re ready.
 

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Current trajectory we will take longer cause we stick by managers too long.

If a manager isn't good enough we need to get rid of them striaght away. If that means they only have the job for a few months then so be it.
Yeah, but had we done that in 1990...? (Not that I don't think we need a change)
 
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I don’t think Liverpool have the squad depth to win the league this season. And it would be embarrassing if West Ham finish above us especially with Moyes managing them.
Oh god what a thought!
 

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This is not the right thread for it but I wanted to talk about it -

Liverpool’s squad is looking a bit towards the older side of things than players completely and fully in their prime like a year or two ago.

Klopp has said how he may be leaving soon and whilst he has left Liverpool as Giant's of the game again - I do wonder what exactly might be left behind after Van Dijk, Salah, Mane, Henderson, Thiago, Milner etc get that little bit older after Klopp has left.

I wonder if Klopp leaves and the club will be good but a new manager might have to do a bit of a rebuilding job that Klopp hasn't done.


It's just a thought I've had because Pep has talked about leaving City in approx 2023. I can maybe see Klopp leaving Liverpool around that time. I can see Conte having a fight with Daniel Levy and Spurs by then for him to be sacked. Tuchel is someone I'm unsure about but Chelsea are short term manager keepers when things dont go right too.

By 2024 - I can see most if not all Pep, Klopp, Tuchel, Conte walking out of their jobs. This high level management we see in the Premier League - I do wonder what happens when it leaves and who comes afterwards to those clubs or even ours on a potentially different level of competition.

I have always believed leagues go through waves of a high level and a low level (we see the low level of La Liga now) - and I see a slight low level of the PL is around the corner.
 

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I know we're absolutely crap - which I actually stated a few posts up, when I described us as being 'Fecking dire'

The point still stands, that because we are Manchester United, everyone wants to beat us.
They probably want to beat us to get 3 points.
 

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I do wonder what exactly might be left behind after Van Dijk, Salah, Mane, Henderson, Thiago, Milner etc get that little bit older after Klopp has left.
If we keep hold of Michael Edwards or even if Julian Ward takes that promotion on Edwards' departure, then our recruitment team remains sound and the good progression continues.

We also have decent youngsters in Elliott, Jones, Konate, Trent, Morton, Jota who will take over the senior role in the coming years.

If Klopp leaves then it all depends on who we sign as the manager. Sometimes you get a sense that Pepijn Lijnders is being groomed to take over, and if that happens then Klopp's tactics and philosophy will continue.

I have always believed leagues go through waves of a high level and a low level
Yeah. Bit like 2004-2010 when the likes of Mourinho, Wenger, Fergie, Benitez, etc made this league brilliant.
 

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Every team raises their game when they play Utd, that's why it's often described as the other team's 'Cup Final'

No cringe about it, just the way it has always been, and just the way it will always be.
It is cringe, you just made that up in your own head.
Trying to make it like Man Utd are different to every one else.
 

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If we keep hold of Michael Edwards or even if Julian Ward takes that promotion on Edwards' departure, then our recruitment team remains sound and the good progression continues.

We also have decent youngsters in Elliott, Jones, Konate, Trent, Morton, Jota who will take over the senior role in the coming years.

If Klopp leaves then it all depends on who we sign as the manager. Sometimes you get a sense that Pepijn Lijnders is being groomed to take over, and if that happens then Klopp's tactics and philosophy will continue.



Yeah. Bit like 2004-2010 when the likes of Mourinho, Wenger, Fergie, Benitez, etc made this league brilliant.
All that sounds brilliant for yous I'm theory, however Brian Kidd, Steve McClaren, Carlos Quierez and Mike Phelan where all under Sir Alex. None of them made the grade as a top level manager.

Elliot, Jones and Morton look to have promise no doubt but theirs many young lads looked to have it all to become a top top player but didn't. Very risky to hang your hat on these lads.

Konate I've always like him but injury prone and Jota imo will never reach the heights of Salah or Mane, but certainly a brilliant squad player.

On your recruitment team, they have done a good job, however in recent years they've sold plenty and brought in Davies, minamino, tsimikas, konate, Jota and thiago. Up to this point only Jota has been a success. My point isn't that your recruitment team is bad, my point is your owners haven't give them funds.

No matter who you have in place in the coming years, if your owners don't release funds, you'll drift away from the top.
 

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It is cringe, you just made that up in your own head.
Trying to make it like Man Utd are different to every one else.
Correct!
In more ways than one!

...why do you think Ole is still in charge, when he is clearly out of his depth?! :houllier:
 

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Correct!
In more ways than one!

...why do you think Ole is still in charge, when he is clearly out of his depth?! :houllier:
Maybe because there isn't an outstanding manager who fits the criteria, ticks all the boxes and is available to get?
Maybe because Utd dont want to keep sacking managers?
Maybe because the last supposedly two world class managers Utd got didn't go to plan?

You claiming that everybody tries harder and wants to beat Man Utd more than anyone else is still making me cringe though.
 

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Maybe because there isn't an outstanding manager who fits the criteria, ticks all the boxes and is available to get?
Maybe because Utd dont want to keep sacking managers?
Maybe because the last supposedly two world class managers Utd got didn't go to plan?

You claiming that everybody tries harder and wants to beat Man Utd more than anyone else is still making me cringe though.
Gary Neville is that you??!!

Disguising yourself as a Chelsea fan on a Utd forum... nice try Gary!
 

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Maybe because there isn't an outstanding manager who fits the criteria, ticks all the boxes and is available to get?
Maybe because Utd dont want to keep sacking managers?
Maybe because the last supposedly two world class managers Utd got didn't go to plan?

You claiming that everybody tries harder and wants to beat Man Utd more than anyone else is still making me cringe though.
Conte was there for the taking and they decided against it. Mental if you ask me.
 

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Gary Neville is that you??!!

Disguising yourself as a Chelsea fan on a Utd forum... nice try Gary!
That doesn't make any sense, I didn't say i wouldn't sack Ole.
You asked me why Ole is still in charge, i gave you some of my reasons why i think he is still in the job.
Hence why i put questions marks by them.
 

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That doesn't make any sense, I didn't say i wouldn't sack Ole.
You asked me why Ole is still in charge, i gave you some of my reasons why i think he is still in the job.
Hence why i put questions marks by them.
Buzz off Gary!! :lol:
 

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Maybe because there isn't an outstanding manager who fits the criteria, ticks all the boxes and is available to get?
Maybe because Utd dont want to keep sacking managers?
Maybe because the last supposedly two world class managers Utd got didn't go to plan?


You claiming that everybody tries harder and wants to beat Man Utd more than anyone else is still making me cringe though.
1. No manager will ever tick all the boxes. It's like not upgrading on Lindelof for years because the perfect CB isn't available. Doesn't make any logical sense.

2. Hiring and sacking managers is part and parcel of the modern game. Not wanting to keep sacking managers is akin to accepting your sorry place and ultimate failure. Adapt or die. If you get lucky and get a long term manager who is actually enough, celebrate that but to expect it is foolish.

3. You don't stop aiming for excellence because one or two attempts didn't work out well. Imagine Google refusing to hire a top class ceo because the last one failed. Again it makes no sense. As a top club you have to either hire top managers or managers you feel are about to get.
 

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It wasn't even the worst referee decision of the day nevermind the week.
 

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1. No manager will ever tick all the boxes. It's like not upgrading on Lindelof for years because the perfect CB isn't available. Doesn't make any logical sense.

2. Hiring and sacking managers is part and parcel of the modern game. Not wanting to keep sacking managers is akin to accepting your sorry place and ultimate failure. Adapt or die. If you get lucky and get a long term manager who is actually enough, celebrate that but to expect it is foolish.

3. You don't stop aiming for excellence because one or two attempts didn't work out well. Imagine Google refusing to hire a top class ceo because the last one failed. Again it makes no sense. As a top club you have to either hire top managers or managers you feel are about to get.

1. Has to be a manager Utd want though, no point in sacking a manager without someone who is better and available to replace him. Spurs just did that with Nuno and it didn't go very far. I personally think Pochettino if he was available suits Utd.

2. I know it is, i never said i wouldn't sack Ole i'm saying why i think Utd haven't done so.

3. Because of what happened with Mourinho and Van Gaal it's made Utd a bit hesitant in sacking Ole. Thats why i they didn't go for Conte, he is too much like Mourinho.

Who would you go for if Utd sacked Ole today?.
 

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1. Has to be a manager Utd want though, no point in sacking a manager without someone who is better and available to replace him. Spurs just did that with Nuno and it didn't go very far. I personally think Pochettino if he was available suits Utd.

2. I know it is, i never said i wouldn't sack Ole i'm saying why i think Utd haven't done so.

3. Because of what happened with Mourinho and Van Gaal it's made Utd a bit hesitant in sacking Ole. Thats why i they didn't go for Conte, he is too much like Mourinho.

Who would you go for if Utd sacked Ole today?.
1. We will always find better managers managers Ole. He is not really that good.

2. United are a poorly run club. No surprise there.

3. We need to buckle up and not get so emotionally decimated by managerial changes. You don't stop signing top players because you signed the wrong ones previous. You make sure sure sign the right ones.

I don't know the managerial field good enough so my word counts for little. But based on what I read, I'd try to get a caretaker in now and then Ten Hag in the summer.
 

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I have always believed leagues go through waves of a high level and a low level (we see the low level of La Liga now) - and I see a slight low level of the PL is around the corner.
Definitely. The late early-mid 2010’s, like the couple years immediately post Sir Alex were a bit of a lull in the PL. The last few years have been high, driven mostly by Klopp and Pep.

I guess it depends on who replaces them. City will always be around because of their money, but under Pelligrini and Mancini they were nothing like the force they are under Pep. Will his successor be able to match him? Unlikely.

Liverpool have been fortunate in that almost every deal they made in the last few years have been a hit, and Klopp is able to make players that are actually coal look like diamonds. It’s much more difficult to get a manager to bring what Klopp brings to a club, and I don’t even think such a manager exists.

Then there’s Chelsea. Tuchel is pure quality but how long will it last? And when it inevitably goes up in flames who will they bring in next?

And lastly there’s us. We have the resources to charge ahead during this period where other teams naturally become weaker but I don’t expect us to.

Interesting times ahead for the PL.
 

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Hate him as much as anyone here, but being German I can promise you that it was supposed to be ironic & in no way downplaying the size of the Africa Cup of Nations