You are right but Klopp knows well that he won't win anything if he just plays local players. But to focus more on the academy is never a bad thing, and I'm very proud to see players like Rashford and Greenwood coming through
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
That is because the teams winning it are not really known to promote youth as much.
City want to promote youth but their win it now attitude does not help.
Liverpool, I am afraid do not have the quality, or they would have got a chance.
We are not seeing a group of very young talented players coming through the academies, not just Manutd but across the country.
It is up to the managers to bleed the youngsters in. This is a key reason Arteta, Lampard and Ole have the job, to encourage youth to play more.
Ofcourse they will be inconsistent, but what they will get is patience from fans.
I'm sure those managers will encourage the young players they have playing for them and get them plenty of game time. But the reality is that it's very hard to win the top trophies nowadays with academy products.
Depends on the academy products. That is the only real answer. TAA is very important for you guys, I’ve seen more than enough to be able to make that judgement. Of course some of the best players in the world are more important, doesn’t really back up your point, though. A lot of academy products at the same time will obviously be a problem for a title challenge, but just to use us as an example, Rashford came up one season, McTominay a couple of years after that, Greenwood 3 or 4 after Rashford.
Yes, I am aware we haven’t won a title with this team. I’m just saying your point means nothing without context, imo.
Klopp will never ever come close the class of 92.
If that's his dream. I pity this prick.
If that's his dream. I pity this prick.
We're talking about United though, not City and Liverpool. My point is that United have been at their best when they have both: a strong academy presence and very adept signings. We have that potential now with Greenwood and Rashford in the starting 11 (and Pogba, who sorta counts as both). And our u18 class is very strong. In a recessionary cash-strapped environment, I think this will be even more important, including for Liverpool. Anyway I'm diverting the thread.
Williams in the XI this evening.
Why is Nico Williams wearing his mum's age on his shirt?
I think the 'cash-strapped' is the point here, and that's what makes it relevant to Liverpool as well. I would argue that it's not because United have a healthy mix of homegrown and others that the team does well, but because being able to promote top-class youngsters means that there is money left to buy players for other positions. (Case in point: all the money United don't have to spend on buying Rashford and Greenwood can be spent on buying someone like Sancho. Or yet another CB.
) If Liverpool again are being reluctant to invest in their team (because of the recession or whatever reason), after spending almost nothing last year either, then it will soon become very necessary for them to start getting more out of their academy.Klopp commenting on decisions in games his team aren't even involved in now:
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Giggs, Scholes, Lampard...
Lampard was signed from West Ham. Giggs & Scholes came through during a different era. Nowadays it’s extremely hard to complete at the top with youth academy products as prominent members of the side.
Leicester’s title win was spearheaded by Kanté, Mahrez & Vardy who were all signed from other clubs.
Basically Liverpool lost its root and sold their souls to satan.
The true Liverpool fans that I know don't support Liverpool anymore. No more academy players is disgusting to some and modern day Liverpool feels like ManCity to them.
The true Liverpool fans that I know don't support Liverpool anymore. No more academy players is disgusting to some and modern day Liverpool feels like ManCity to them.
Whatever Klopp, let's just forget about all the dodgy decisions that went your way this season.
Sterling also.
Hahaha - This is so ironic. Mr. Li-VAR-pool.
ManUtd 2012-13 - League games
Evans - 21+2
Welbeck - 13+14
Cleverley - 18+4
Fletcher - 2
This is ignoring the obvious ones like Giggs and Scholes.
I agree it's hard to win titles and at the same time promoting kids from academy, that's why SAF was at different level. He won titles, promoted kids, refreshed squad, loyal to his old players.
Sold their souls to satan? True Liverpool fans don’t root for Liverpool. Where they all fake fans at the parade for the 6th? You might be a bit upset at Liverpool winning everything in sight lately but don’t say we’ve sold out. No sugar daddy’s here pal.
Did you forget the bit where you got knocked out of all other competitions this season?
No Sterling they bought in from elsewhere. Not a Liverpool youth product.
"Winning everything in sight lately" is a brave way of describing an average of 1.5 trophies per season over a period of 2 years.
*Wins everything in sight lately*
*Literally gets turfed out of the FA Cup at the first hurdle every season under Klopp*
This alternate Scouseverse must be a scream to inhabit.
It all depends. Are you talking from Liverpool or through academy. Sterling was in academy
Wasn’t he technically signed from QPR in his teens? I wouldn’t say you could compare Sterling to Alexander-Arnold, who has been at the club from a very young age.
A lot of youth products are brought in from other clubs in their teens. Beckham and Giggs joined when they were 14, Neville joined when he was 16, while Sterling was signed at 15.
If you put a barrier on 16 and then a lot of youth products go out of the picture.
I think 2 yrs at academy set the youth program on fire with his goal exploits. But at that age surely the academy had the most impact up to that point in his progression.
Who or what will Klopp blame for this latest awful showing from his team?
If as has been rumoured next season quickly follows this one I can see Liverpool being one of the worse affected; their momentum is gone whilst retaining is always harder than the initial win.
The pace they started this season with was literally historic; they aren’t doing it again next season.
They’re a top side but they won’t be carrying a momentous title win into next season so it’ll be interesting to see them try to live up to expectations.
[All conjecture of course]
The pace they started this season with was literally historic; they aren’t doing it again next season.
They’re a top side but they won’t be carrying a momentous title win into next season so it’ll be interesting to see them try to live up to expectations.
[All conjecture of course]
Good to see him ranting at the ref after the game. Such a dreadful loser, or even drawer aint he.
Whole of Burnley was in their box.
Let's hope so.
Let's also hope their hunger drops that ever so slight bit as we've seen with City a few times over the years. Couple of injuries to key players would be critical too. And I don't mean "Hendo", I mean the front 3, Van D or TAA. Whenever they rotate any of those 5 the replacement is an absolute country mile off the same level.
The state of this prick on the pitch after the match haranguing officials again. How is he allowed to get away with these shameful acts time and time again?!
Throw the book at him, FFS.
Throw the book at him, FFS.
Fixed.
Getting knocked out of the CL was a blessing in disguise for them. They'll have a longer break than City.
It's hard to judge them at the minute because they've been non-stop for 18 months or so now and now they've secured the title there was bound to be an inevitable drop off. They won't come close to 100 points next season but I'd imagine it will be Liverpool and City for the title again. Possibly United but I think it may perhaps be a season too soon.
I do of course hope I'm wrong as I'd love to see them plummet back down the table.
I do of course hope I'm wrong as I'd love to see them plummet back down the table.
Winning everything in sight?
Ole's taken the refs off us unfortunately. Majorly majorly worried about next season because of that fact alone.
Is the AFCON still on for the winter?
Let’s himself down so badly with his post match antics when he doesn’t win. It really does bring out the worst in him and makes his charm when they win look quite contrived.
This game meant nothing, yet there he is again.
This game meant nothing, yet there he is again.
What’s he done?
I’ve long said had he been managing United there’s no chance the media look so glowingly at his. . . passion. Top manager but unlike a lot on here I’ve never been able to stand him.