Oh right, well I suppose his point is that Tom Heaton isn't good enough to be a 2nd choice keeper now he's 37.
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You know in Football Manager when you sign an Emergency Backup goalkeeper and the fans, board and scouting department get so mad at you that they crawl out of the game and try to kill you for real
Isn't even just that he's 37. Three years ago he had a cruciate ligament injury and has played 22 minutes of top level football since. No PL club in their right mind would risk that as a second choice keeper.
Anybody with a brain cell knows in fairness.
I don’t think he really matters who our 2nd choice is tbh, they’re probably gonna play like twice.
That's the thing though, it doesn't matter until it REALLY matters.
If De Gea gets injured for a lengthy time, I would not want Tom Heaton being our keeper... I don't really want Butland to be our keeper either mind you, but I'd prefer him over Heaton, and that's what its about.
True.
Not really sure why this deal is causing a bit of fuss. Most top clubs have an experienced keeper as third choice or emergency back up
City have Scott Carson as third choice, Liverpool have Adrian, Chelsea have Bettinelli, heck even Newcastle have Dubravka now probably.
Seems he's being brought in to be the No.2 keeper seen as Heaton doesn't get a look in. He's pretty good though, but does have a massive clanger in him quite often. That's what I remember from watching him play for Blues & Stoke anyway.
I am not entirely sure how much Heaton is on but what I can tell you from what I have heard and read is he is necessary in the dressing room.
Sometimes you need someone in the dressing room who the manager trusts.
Ah yeah I know Butland is being bought in as a No.2. It's more people's confusion over Heaton's role.
I think Butland is fine until the summer and then we can see who else we could bring in,
Heatons probably comfortable being No.3 considering his age. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was doing coaching badges on the side and being more ‘player/coach’ like Lee Grant was.
Yeah he'll fill a hole, I'd be pretty nervous if anything happened to David though, but then I guess any team would if their first team keeper was out for a long time. Pretty rare you have two brilliant No 1's fighting it out I guess, so agree not sure why people are freaking out.
Butland's had a pretty weird career though, he's played nowhere near the amount he should have. He was touted to be England's keeper when he was at the Blues if I remember.
Heaton was brought in by Ole. Maybe his personality is such that ETH likes him too, but I think it's more about having experience both in the dressing room and training ground. Having just youth keepers isn't going to help our forwards much.
Yeah Butland wouldn't be my choice for 2nd keeper but he will hopefully do until the summer. I suppose Butland has strong premier league experience and that is decent.
I'm also not a big fan of 2 No.1's fighting it out anyway, it's better to have a consistent number 1 with the 2nd choice able to come in without causing the same level of alarm when Kevin Pilkington would come in for Schmeichel.
He was great in that one game against Palace (94/95)
Now it makes sense why there is dislike towards him, he was brought in by Ole. There was an article earlier this season from the telegraph highlighting Heaton as part of the leadership group at United.
People think standards are driven up by Ten Hag and that is the end of it. Ten Hag has generals in the form of leadership from players like Bruno, Heaton that also enforce these standards at the club. A youth team keeper would not be able to do so.
Yeah rather than waiting til after City
Tom Heaton brings his experience to the training and dressing room? No wonder ETH wants a new sub Gk so bad.
He came through at Birmingham. We sent him out IIRC to Cheltenham on loan when he was a teen. He actually made his England debut before he played for Birmingham the following week, so was technically a League 2 player. Had a bad ankle injury and struggled after.
I think being around David will improve him. Good enough for #2 at United, and English. He won’t rock the boat, has EPL experience, and should improve in those surroundings.
I think being around David will improve him. Good enough for #2 at United, and English. He won’t rock the boat, has EPL experience, and should improve in those surroundings.
It seems we sign a below average keeper every window now.
People saying what about Heaton? Has he fallen out with ETH?
His role is 3rd goalkeeper, where unless a proper emergency occurs he won’t be expecting any game time and is more there for training, coaching purposes, and mostly likely to keep our English homegrown quota high.
Basically the same as what Richard Wright was for city for years, but a more capable version.
As for Butland, he would be a top Championship to lower Prem keeper. He’s a very good option for 2nd keeper. The only part I don’t understand is why it’s a loan rather than an outright buy given his contract is up in June?
His role is 3rd goalkeeper, where unless a proper emergency occurs he won’t be expecting any game time and is more there for training, coaching purposes, and mostly likely to keep our English homegrown quota high.
Basically the same as what Richard Wright was for city for years, but a more capable version.
As for Butland, he would be a top Championship to lower Prem keeper. He’s a very good option for 2nd keeper. The only part I don’t understand is why it’s a loan rather than an outright buy given his contract is up in June?
I thought he'd get to play for England (maybe not hold down the spot) the first few times I saw him (at a very young age). but then I thought the same of Chris Kirkland... can't say I think Pickford is that much better
Well it looks pretty much like we are paying his salary and that is it, so we are getting a 6 month preview before deciding whether to offer a longer deal and Palace are saving on the wages for a guy they don't need. If Palace were asking for transfer fee I doubt we would be in for him.
From what I remember about Butland is he doesn't tend to make howlers which is a good start for your back-up keeper! Is he Manuel Neuer? No. but he ain't taibi or that French clown we paid a fortune to/for either
Why only a loan?
Yeah think he has generally been solid
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Half of the reason in fairness is simply another good keeper for training, guy will barely play an actual game.
This is literally the last game I can remember him playing…
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Still think he is a perfectly adequate number 2 though, Palace fans rate him and think he’s unlucky to be stuck as their number 3.
fecking hell you lot can't get over Paul Pogba can you
Maybe could get game against Charlton
De Gea has made a fair few clangers over the years to be fair
Remember the one at WBA in first league game
Let’s get the butt jokes out of the way now
Excellent
He’s out of contract at the end of the season.
No reason for us to him down for long really.
It’s a bit harsh. He had a lot of talent before injuries rectum.
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