[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

What? This is the type of discussion that you do not take seriously. The man he replaced scored our only goal.

It was a deflection?

Still walks around most games. And about the same height as Sesko but seems to be incapable of winning a header.

 

[Hammondo]

His dad also triggered a load of absolute gobshites, ironically. Although it was about Fergie picking him because he was Scottish, rather than nepotism. Fletch Sr took a good few years to be fully accepted, despite being older and bedding into a vastly superior team. Under a vastly superior manager.

I don't think you can compare situations in terms of management so easily.

We have not had a midfield since Carrick, no mentorship, just hoping for the best.

 

[Giggsyking]

You’re definitely confused. Let’s put it this way. Is it possible to impact the game without actually touching the football? Because Fletcher had 50% more touches than Zirkzee did while he was on the pitch.

They played completely different positions. It was natural that Jack would get more touches in a central role compared to Zirkzee who played more advanced. Now dont get me wrong, I am not a big fan of Zirkzee, but I was responding to the specific claim that Jack had more impact (ignoring the most important impact of all) scoring a goal.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

He's not ready for 1st team football at the moment.

Surely, we have youngsters actually standing out in the u21s(only going by what others said of him not really standing out there)that can be called up during the festive period?

 

[Marwood]

You’re definitely confused. Let’s put it this way. Is it possible to impact the game without actually touching the football? Because Fletcher had 50% more touches than Zirkzee did while he was on the pitch.

How many more touches was that though? 50% sounds like it could be a lot.

But it could also mean he had 4 more touches or something. Which is neither here nor there.

I'm more bothered about the decision making. Amorim's explanation makes it clear he was worried about what Wolves were doing and saw Fletcher as an answer whilst taking off one of the three attackers we had on the pitch.

I think he could be bolder. Not worry so much about what a terrible team like Wolves are doing. Think more how we could hurt them. You can't have 5 attacking players missing then sub off one of the few you have remaining.

And for all the talk it improved us, we could easily have lost that second half if not for the keeper.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

How many more touches was that though? 50% sounds like it could be a lot.

But it could also mean he had 4 more touches or something. Which is neither here nor there.

I'm more bothered about the decision making. Amorim's explanation makes it clear he was worried about what Wolves were doing and saw Fletcher as an answer whilst taking off one of the three attackers we had on the pitch.

I think he could be bolder. Not worry so much about what a terrible team like Wolves are doing. Think more how we could hurt them. You can't have 5 attacking players missing then sub off one of the few you have remaining.

And for all the talk it improved us, we could easily have lost that second half if not for the keeper.

I’ve no interest in defending Amorim, his tactics or his substitutions. I’m just defending a point someone made about Fletcher having more of an impact on the game than Zirkzee, because he touched the ball more times than Zirkzee did. There’s no other agenda here. My preference would have been to find a way to have them both on the pitch. And/or try Martinez in midfield and play with, god forbid, just two central defenders.

 

[Marwood]

I’ve no interest in defending Amorim, his tactics or his substitutions. I’m just defending a point someone made about Fletcher having more of an impact on the game than Zirkzee, because he touched the ball more times than Zirkzee did. There’s no other agenda here. My preference would have been to find a way to have them both on the pitch. And/or try Martinez in midfield and play with, god forbid, just two central defenders.

Do you know how many more touches it was?

 

[golden_blunder]

His dad also triggered a load of absolute gobshites, ironically. Although it was about Fergie picking him because he was Scottish, rather than nepotism. Fletch Sr took a good few years to be fully accepted, despite being older and bedding into a vastly superior team. Under a vastly superior manager.

Oh you’ve forgotten all the “fergies son” narratives thrown around by our brain boxes then

 

[Herschel Krustofsky]

What? This is the type of discussion that you do not take seriously. The man he replaced scored our only goal.

I noticed Fletcher more than I did Zirkzee, he was more involved in the game.

It’s an observation.

Whether you choose to take that observation seriously or not, doesn’t make it any less valid.

 

[sleepehead]

He's not ready for 1st team football at the moment.

Surely, we have youngsters actually standing out in the u21s(only going by what others said of him not really standing out there)that can be called up during the festive period?

Probably Scanlon or Biancheri, but Biancheri is more of a ST. Scanlon would probably have been the best alternative but he hasn't even sniffed 1st team ball for us. But he's at least already played against pros with Gibraltar. Jack is highly rated but I think he doesn't really suit this system as well.

Also the bigger problem is that the academy and the 1st team don't play the same style so a lot of the academy players have never played in this formation. So you're asking a lot from the academy players, especially the 18 yr olds who've only just started playing in the u21s this year

 

[Zumbi]

Rubbish.

We’ve had so little opportunity to introduce players this season because of lack of games.

Would be great to give young players minutes when we’re winning 4-0 with 25 mins to go. But there have been no opportunities to do so.

Now they are needed, they are getting minutes. It’s not in any way ‘sink or swim’.

We had that opportunity with Lacey in the 4-1 at Wolves and he didn’t give him any minutes.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Can't blame the guy as he's not the player that should be dominating games in this team, but I'm not sure what his position is. Is he a midfielder or a winger?

attacking midfielder

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

I've been satisfied with his debuts appearances. He has worked had and been fearless. His only draw back is the physicallity of the epl is a bit much for him. Bug that's expected. The leap between under 21s to senior ball is enormous. I thought he was much improved vs Wolves. Introduction of this type are going to add the development of him, his brother, Lacey and Mantato big time

 

[Santos J]

Banned for 6 games

Manchester United midfielder Jack Fletcher has apologised for using a homophobic slur that has led to him receiving a six-match ban.

The England Under-19 international, son of United legend Darren Fletcher, was shown a red card in the 62nd minute of a 5-2 EFL Trophy defeat by Barnsley in October.
At the time it was not clear what had prompted the decision.
However, the Football Association has now confirmed that Fletcher, 18, was sent off for calling an opponent "gay boy" and that he has admitted the charge.
"I am truly sorry for the offensive word I used in the heat of the moment," said Fletcher.
"I completely understand such language is unacceptable and immediately apologised after the game, a momentary lapse of character absolutely does not reflect my beliefs or values".
He was also fined £1,500 and must attend a mandatory face-to-face education programme or face further suspension until it is completed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cqj994p4nx8o

 

[Fr. Todd Unctious]

You would hope this is a big lesson learned for the lad

 

[Ish]

Silly words from the lad. Hope he learns from it.

 

[Steve Bruce]

It is silly and he is a young lad that will learn a lesson from it.

However it's amazing how a slur is given a much harsher punishment than someone flying into a two footed tackle breaking someone's leg. 6 matches is very harsh, 3 match ban would have got the same message across.

Anyway, he's done the right thing and apologised and I hope he learns from it and doesn't define him for the rest of his career.

 

[AdamColeBebe]

It is silly and he is a young lad that will learn a lesson from it.

However it's amazing how a slur is given a much harsher punishment than someone flying into a two footed tackle breaking someone's leg. 6 matches is very harsh, 3 match ban would have got the same message across.

Anyway, he's done the right thing and apologised and I hope he learns from it and doesn't define him for the rest of his career.

Completely different scenarios.

The leg break affects one person. Homophobia affects millions.

And it has to be very harsh to set an example.

 

[DOTA]

Really grim.

If he ever does it again he should immediately be shown the door and I hope his mandatory face-to-face education programme is lengthy and excruciating.

 

[Scotty Doesn't Know]

Gen Z are bringing back the "gay boy" slur. I haven't heard that one in years.

18 years old does seem a little old to be saying that shit, but you'd imagine he'll learn from it and will (hopefully) grow up pretty quickly.

 

[pascell]

I wonder if this is why Tyler got minutes vs Spurs, as Jack seemed to be the one selected ahead of him previously.

 

[Red Royal]

Silly thing to do, but he (and many of the other youngsters) will learn from it hopefully.

 

[IRN-BRUno]

His ban will be served at reserve level as it was a non-first team fixture, can't play in any setting until that is completed though.

In the FA's written reasons, Fletcher states that the player in question had stamped on his Achilles in an off-the-ball incident which was later proved in video footage. And that after Barnsley's 3rd goal, he walked past him rather than celebrating and made comments about his brother and father, which led him to say “You seem to know a lot about me, are you a gay boy?"

 

[Tincanalley]

His ban will be served at reserve level as it was a non-first team fixture, can't play in any setting until that is completed though.

In the FA's written reasons, Fletcher states that the player in question had stamped on his Achilles in an off-the-ball incident which was later proved in video footage. And that after Barnsley's 3rd goal, he walked past him rather than celebrating and made comments about his brother and father, which led him to say “You seem to know a lot about me, are you a gay boy?"

thanks for clarifying- obvs big mistake. He will hopefully learn

 

[Smores]

Lads it's not 'silly' ffs, it's homophobia and should should be treated with the seriousness of the charge.

I wouldn't be playing him for the rest of the season at least not in the seniors. If he's still throwing out such insults he's not mature enough to play with grown ups. He'll hopefully learn never to do that shit again.

 

[SilentWitness]

Banned for 6 games

Manchester United midfielder Jack Fletcher has apologised for using a homophobic slur that has led to him receiving a six-match ban.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cqj994p4nx8o

How do you even think of that as an insult if it's not part of your beliefs or values. Complete shite.

It also makes me question what early education footballers are receiving regarding insults relating to race/homophobia etc.

 

[championo]

His ban will be served at reserve level as it was a non-first team fixture, can't play in any setting until that is completed though.

In the FA's written reasons, Fletcher states that the player in question had stamped on his Achilles in an off-the-ball incident which was later proved in video footage. And that after Barnsley's 3rd goal, he walked past him rather than celebrating and made comments about his brother and father, which led him to say “You seem to know a lot about me, are you a gay boy?"

This is the offense? Wow, we have gone too far? That is a legit question based on the circumstances.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

His ban will be served at reserve level as it was a non-first team fixture, can't play in any setting until that is completed though.

In the FA's written reasons, Fletcher states that the player in question had stamped on his Achilles in an off-the-ball incident which was later proved in video footage. And that after Barnsley's 3rd goal, he walked past him rather than celebrating and made comments about his brother and father, which led him to say “You seem to know a lot about me, are you a gay boy?"

It’s such a weird, retro phrase to use. Definitely seems less nasty in this context.

 

[youngrell]

I wonder if this is why Tyler got minutes vs Spurs, as Jack seemed to be the one selected ahead of him previously.

I had noticed Tyler on the bench more often recently instead of Jack and wondered why. Explains it. Silly boy.

 

[Vidyoyo]

It's a fair amount of time for that kind of thing. Sounds like the Barnsley lad wound him up and he retaliated but it's not smart

 

[Ish]

It’s such a weird, retro phrase to use. Definitely seems less nasty in this context.

True.

I might have missed it in the article but how did they manage to ban him - assuming the other player reported him? Or the ref overheard?

 

[Bwuk]

Sounds like a fair amount of time for that kind of thing. Comments about his brother/father should also be punished but it's beside the point I suppose

It's ridiculous. 6 games for that?

 

[Vidyoyo]

It's ridiculous. 6 games for that?

I know what you're getting at but the game is too hot on it to think they'd let it slide. They want to stamp homophobia out at all levels and that means making examples of players caught saying such things

 

[DOTA]

How do you even think of that as an insult if it's not part of your beliefs or values. Complete shite.

It also makes me question what early education footballers are receiving regarding insults relating to race/homophobia etc.

Well yeah. He's obviously homophobic. That's why when this player is being a weirdo to him with overly personal insults his instinct is to call that weirdness 'gay'.

 

[Drainy]

It's ridiculous. 6 games for that?

About right

 

[SilentWitness]

Well yeah. He's obviously homophobic. That's why when this player is being a weirdo to him with overly personal insults his instinct is to call that weirdness 'gay'.

Quite.

It's ridiculous. 6 games for that?

It's not ridiculous. The only reason he'd call him that is if he thinks there is something wrong with being gay.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

Daft lad. He should know you can’t get away with saying that these days.

 

[Lash]

Very good example set by the ref and the FA.

 

[devilish]

He should know better. He's the son of a former football after all ie someone who grew up in football.

 

[Santos J]

He should know better. He's the son of a former football after all ie someone who grew up in football. I can't see the Maldinis, the Cruyffs or the Thurams doing such a daft thing

As in Marcus Thuram who was once sent off for spitting in someone's face?