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Hannibal Mejbri and James Garner will most likely be backup to Bruno and Fred/Scott next season. Then potentially Jude Bellingham might arrive who is a no. 8.

I just don't see us signing Grealish. He was a priority signing until we bought Bruno. Not anymore.

I think instead we'll go all out to sign a specialist defensive midfielder such as Donny Van de Beek/Kalvin Phillips/Zakaria
 

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What I did just hear- Pogba should occasionally come off bench and cup matches ?. Safe to say, social distancing is working:)
 

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Even if the idea comes from Pogba played in more advanced position, it doesn’t make sense that Grealish will replace him or we will spend the money on him as we already have Bruno Fernandes in that advanced position. If a player will replace him it’ll likely to be a player who plays in that deeper role like Veratti, Fabian Ruiz, Rabiot, Neves and etc (Those list is just for “example“ players who plays in the same role so don’t twist it by saying Veratti is unrealistic).

He’s more suitable to join City to replace Silva or Liverpool who needs to upgrade their attacking mid. Liverpool still hasn’t replace Coutinho and Wijnaldum is already 29 years old, perfect signing for them. At Liverpool He’ll play in that midfield 3, can be used as a no 10 in 4231 and good option for Mane’s cover.
Don't get be wrong I think a DM or deep-lying playmaker is more of a priority. I'm just saying if we do lose Pogba, that means Bruno is our only really creative attacking midfield player bar Mata, which is obviously not nearly enough depth in a top squad.
 

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You’ve moved Rashford up front So he wouldn’t be on the bench
And Ighalo is a back up
So we’d have 1 quality striker Martial or Rashford, which ever one isn’t starting

Which makes perfect sense
Meant Greenwood. What would happen to his growth? We’d have martial Greenwood and Ighalo fighting for minutes. Something would have to give.
 

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I think it's okay to be a bit unbalanced, maybe even without possession. Pogba and Bruno play in roles with that kind of responsibility internationally and they both have the passing and shooting range to contribute from deeper even if it's with less work in the opponent's penalty area.

We need to be thinking like a big team again, and a big percentage of big teams worry more about getting the best players on the field than balance. One holding midfielder like Fred or McTominay with the mobility to clean up mistakes in front of a back 4, and then 5 skilled guys. Not just extreme possession sides either. Bayern play Muller and Thiago in front of a holder a lot. Is that better defensively without the ball than Bruno and Pogba can be for us? Bruno in particular seems hungry to do anything and Pogba certainly can physically and probably just needs a manager he likes and respects (or sadly a transfer) or even just the elixir of a winning run.

If Pogba leaves and we buy Grealish and a box to box midfielder or passer who puts in a shift defensively and make Fred or McTominay the starting 6 that won't upset me. It seems like Mctominay's likely future position considering his size, not being special as a dribbler or playmaker in short space but being a pretty good intermediate to long passer and the height of a CB (honestly he might even be a CB long term considering his size and skillset, I think he would be moved there if he played for City). And Fred is the kind of mobile and defensively tenacious but not outrageously skillful or creative and poor in the final third midfielder who big teams often play deeper anyways.

When we have a season where we score 85 goals but concede 50 I'll think we need more balance, but we went from 80 a year in the league under Fergie's final 6 years to scoring 60 a year on average without him in the 6 full years since, while goals given up has only gone from 31 a year up to 37. 3 times as big a gap.

Talent > Balance, we'll still have a player at DM and a back 4 focused on defending, and right now our fullbacks are Wan-Bissaka and Shaw who are far far better defensively than going forwards. With those fullbacks starting we really should be able to give our attackers some freedom, or we might as well get fullbacks who can flirt with double digit assists, and that is even more disruption.
Completely agree with you mate, I think it can work the risk is high but as you said we need to start thinking as a big team again.
 

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Just because I said Grealish played as a midfielder in midfield 3 doesn't mean I think that as high as what you imagined. Not every midfielder plays in midfield 3 is considered as playing higher up.

Pogba has been playing in that pivot of the midfield 2 this season, under Ole & with France. Grealish never play there. It's not the same being a midfielder in midfield 2 & being a midfielder in midfield 3.

It's a lot harder to play in midfield 2, and we know for sure it's not a position that suits Grealish, and yet you want us to make him to learn how to play in midfield 2 when lot of Aston Villa fans been complaining about the manager couldn't play him in his best position which is no 10 behind striker.
You don’t know for sure that a midfield two - or a deeper role -doesn’t suit Grealish. Would you have said the same about Dembele or Modric before they started dictating games for Spurs from there?

Typically, settled and well-functioning teams set up with a no.6-no.8-no.10 dynamic in that central area, regardless of the specific shape - so both in a 1-2 midfield format (4-3-3 - what you have described as a midfield three) and a 2-1 format (4-2-3-1 - what you have described as a midfield two). I would say that generally, a player who can play in one of the roles in one format can also play in the equivalent role in the other format.

Grealish played in a midfield with McGinn last year - a player who likes to get around the pitch, press, make runs, empty midfield and get in the box, and excels with the freedom to do so. By all accounts, Grealish - on the left of a 4-3-3 with McGinn right - typically operated a bit deeper looking to get on the ball and excelled. And you could call that the equivalent of the role Pogba has probably most often found himself in at United - alongside or just in front of, and in support of, a holding midfielder, and alongside or just behind, and in support of, an advanced midfielder, effectively the link between the two.

I think it’s quite natural that posters equate them, and I would imagine that if we were to bring Grealish in it would be as a replacement for Pogba. The team shape won’t necessarily stay as it is either - did Solskjaer use a 4-2-3-1 at all in what remained of the season when he took over? I don’t think he did, yet we came into this season very clearly with the intention to set up that way without any change in personnel in the midfield area. Grealish coming in could see the formation tweaked slightly.

He could also offer more balance in the sense that both Pogba and Fernandes are both very direct and forceful in their play. They are relentless and frequently try things that don’t quite come off. Grealish is more patient and dependable in retaining possession (for an attack-minded player), and in place of Pogba may perhaps ground our play a bit and offer a better foundation for Bruno to indulge in his riskier passing.
 

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Don't get be wrong I think a DM or deep-lying playmaker is more of a priority. I'm just saying if we do lose Pogba, that means Bruno is our only really creative attacking midfield player bar Mata, which is obviously not nearly enough depth in a top squad.
Talk about depth squad once the starting XI is upgraded.

You are forgetting that if we sign a right winger let's say Sancho, he's also considered as a creative attacker. Not every creativity in the team need to be relied from the same position.
 

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Grealish is better than Pogba, so it would be strengthening the first XI.
Just curious, on what basis are you saying this mate? From the past few months of watching Grealish in the PL or have you been following his career for some time now, watching his championship matches over the past 3 seasons and his England U21 matches (since he has no international caps)?

Surely no-one genuinely thinks he's better than Pogba :lol: Lockdown is causing some real losses of sanity.
No, looks like he's been of this opinion for some time now interestingly enough.

I think Grealish is the better player, too.
 

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You don’t know for sure that a midfield two - or a deeper role -doesn’t suit Grealish. Would you have said the same about Dembele or Modric before they started dictating games for Spurs from there?

Typically, settled and well-functioning teams set up with a no.6-no.8-no.10 dynamic in that central area, regardless of the specific shape - so both in a 1-2 midfield format (4-3-3 - what you have described as a midfield three) and a 2-1 format (4-2-3-1 - what you have described as a midfield two). I would say that generally, a player who can play in one of the roles in one format can also play in the equivalent role in the other format.

Grealish played in a midfield with McGinn last year - a player who likes to get around the pitch, press, make runs, empty midfield and get in the box, and excels with the freedom to do so. By all accounts, Grealish - on the left of a 4-3-3 with McGinn right - typically operated a bit deeper looking to get on the ball and excelled. And you could call that the equivalent of the role Pogba has probably most often found himself in at United - alongside or just in front of, and in support of, a holding midfielder, and alongside or just behind, and in support of, an advanced midfielder, effectively the link between the two.

I think it’s quite natural that posters equate them, and I would imagine that if we were to bring Grealish in it would be as a replacement for Pogba. The team shape won’t necessarily stay as it is either - did Solskjaer use a 4-2-3-1 at all in what remained of the season when he took over? I don’t think he did, yet we came into this season very clearly with the intention to set up that way without any change in personnel in the midfield area. Grealish coming in could see the formation tweaked slightly.

He could also offer more balance in the sense that both Pogba and Fernandes are both very direct and forceful in their play. They are relentless and frequently try things that don’t quite come off. Grealish is more patient and dependable in retaining possession (for an attack-minded player), and in place of Pogba may perhaps ground our play a bit and offer a better foundation for Bruno to indulge in his riskier passing.
Both Fulham & Spurs signed those two to play in their strong position, they weren't converted right away. While people in here want to sign him to replace Pogba's position which currently playing in the midfield 2 formation. Are we in the situation to spend 40m-60m on a player just to force the player to learn & adapt in a new position?

Pogba played most of the time in midfield 2 at United under Mourinho & also under Ole this season. And in additional, he played in the same position/formation with France. Not sure what makes you think it is his "most often found himself in at United".

When Ole took over, he only had whatever he got at that time. People are just making assumption we will change it to 433 when both Pogba & Bruno are fit, what evidence do you have? He's been playing 4231 in majority of matches this season, this is hist first proper season of him rebuilding the squad to suit with what he wants. When Pogba & Pereira were fit, we didn't play 433, we played 4231 with Pereira as no 10 while Pogba in the midfield 2. You have to wonder why didn't we play 433 this season if that's midfield 2 is not the position that Ole wanted to play Pogba?

There is a possibility that Ole can still change his formation but at this point, the best possibility & most realistic system that Ole will play is 4231 formation with 3 at the back formation against top opposition.
 

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Talk about depth squad once the starting XI is upgraded.

You are forgetting that if we sign a right winger let's say Sancho, he's also considered as a creative attacker. Not every creativity in the team need to be relied from the same position.
There's really no such thing as a 'starting XI', not often. Do you really want to be in a situation where if Bruno gets injured, Mata is our only proper AM? If we sell Pogba, we must sign someone who can play an AM role. It doesn't have to be Grealish, but he's certainly a good option.
 

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There's really no such thing as a 'starting XI', not often. Do you really want to be in a situation where if Bruno gets injured, Mata is our only proper AM? If we sell Pogba, we must sign someone who can play an AM role. It doesn't have to be Grealish, but he's certainly a good option.
We have been moaning about our previous manager Mourinho & LVG didn't know what their strong starting XI when they were here which is why they struggled. Ole on the other hand is changing this and he wants to settle his starting XI. This is crucial, every successful manager need to know what's their best starting XI to play week in week out.

If Bruno gets injured, doesn't mean we need to stick with one same formation. When your main man getting long term injury then we can still change tactic or formation to suit with whatever we have. It'll be nice to have more option but at the same look at our current situation first that we need to have better starting XI first. If we sell Pogba who is playing in the midfield 2, it's more important that we sign a replacement to play in the same position not different position. It's not rocket science, you lose a certain position then replace him with the same player who plays in the same position.
 

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We have been moaning about our previous manager Mourinho & LVG didn't know what their strong starting XI when they were here which is why they struggled. Ole on the other hand is changing this and he wants to settle his starting XI. This is crucial, every successful manager need to know what's their best starting XI to play week in week out.

If Bruno gets injured, doesn't mean we need to stick with one same formation. When your main man getting long term injury then we can still change tactic or formation to suit with whatever we have. It'll be nice to have more option but at the same look at our current situation first that we need to have better starting XI first. If we sell Pogba who is playing in the midfield 2, it's more important that we sign a replacement to play in the same position not different position. It's not rocket science, you lose a certain position then replace him with the same player who plays in the same position.
Pogba hasn't recently played in any position. We look a completely different team to the last time Pogba played. No-one really knows where he would even play if he came back into the side now. So how do you replace 'the same position'?

Again, 'first XIs' are somethings fans obsess about more than managers. Managers talk about squads. That's because your first choice XI are almost never going to all be fit at the same time. Fans can spend hour online obsessing about the perfect line-up of the perfect XI, but managers need to have a strong system into which a number of different players can all fit comfortably. And that means, if Bruno gets injured, and Pogba has been sold, we need someone else quality who can potentially step into that position.

Meanwhile, we also need a DM, regardless of whether Pogba leaves or not. But that's a separate issue.
 

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Both Fulham & Spurs signed those two to play in their strong position, they weren't converted right away. While people in here want to sign him to replace Pogba's position which currently playing in the midfield 2 formation. Are we in the situation to spend 40m-60m on a player just to force the player to learn & adapt in a new position?

Pogba played most of the time in midfield 2 at United under Mourinho & also under Ole this season. And in additional, he played in the same position/formation with France. Not sure what makes you think it is his "most often found himself in at United".

When Ole took over, he only had whatever he got at that time. People are just making assumption we will change it to 433 when both Pogba & Bruno are fit, what evidence do you have? He's been playing 4231 in majority of matches this season, this is hist first proper season of him rebuilding the squad to suit with what he wants. When Pogba & Pereira were fit, we didn't play 433, we played 4231 with Pereira as no 10 while Pogba in the midfield 2. You have to wonder why didn't we play 433 this season if that's midfield 2 is not the position that Ole wanted to play Pogba?

There is a possibility that Ole can still change his formation but at this point, the best possibility & most realistic system that Ole will play is 4231 formation with 3 at the back formation against top opposition.
Dembele played in a no.10 position at Fulham but there’s surely no question now that he was at his best deeper. Modric was used off the left a lot initially and that turned out to be a poor decision.

I’m not sure what you mean with regards to Pogba - I’m saying that playing as part of a midfield two, as the player alongside a holding midfielder, has been the one Pogba has found himself in most often at United. And that there isn’t necessarily much of a difference at all between playing as the no.8 in a midfield two and as the deeper no.8 in a 4-3-3, and by extension the positions occupied by Pogba this season and Grealish last season.

When Solskjaer took over, in terms of midfield he had exactly what he had at the beginning of this season. I’m not assuming we will move back to a 4-3-3, I’m just of the opinion that both Grealish playing in a midfield two or us shifting to a midfield three are possibilities if he comes in, and that the difference between those options is negligible. My expectations when both Pogba and Bruno are fit, is that we use/ would have used the 4-2-3-1 seen this season with Pogba in the two and Fernandes at no.10.
 

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Pogba hasn't recently played in any position. We look a completely different team to the last time Pogba played. No-one really knows where he would even play if he came back into the side now. So how do you replace 'the same position'?

Again, 'first XIs' are somethings fans obsess about more than managers. Managers talk about squads. That's because your first choice XI are almost never going to all be fit at the same time. Fans can spend hour online obsessing about the perfect line-up of the perfect XI, but managers need to have a strong system into which a number of different players can all fit comfortably. And that means, if Bruno gets injured, and Pogba has been sold, we need someone else quality who can potentially step into that position.

Meanwhile, we also need a DM, regardless of whether Pogba leaves or not. But that's a separate issue.
At this state people are making assumption that Pogba's position will be in 433 formation when he's fit. But how do you even know if that will be his position? Ole made statement that Pogba can play anywhere in midfield, no 6, 8 or 10.

The only thing we can take is that Ole will prefer 4231 formation is most of his game and he had played all Pogba's games this season in the midfield two of that 4231. One of the main reason why he played Pogba in that pivot role is because he needs a player to drop deeper to get the ball & play long passes. This is something that Grealish is not special with. Grealish's relation to Pogba is just cover for Bruno if he's injured. However, the most important thing if Pogba leaves then we need to sign that type of deep midfielder who can get the ball and play long passes and other passes that penetrate through midfield area.

We aren't desperate for midfield if Pogba does't leave as we have 4 options for the two midfield roles so we can concentrate on other positions.

As for XI, players being fit or no is not the main point here. The point is that it's very important for a manager to know his strong XI at least 85% of it while 15% can be for rotation so he knows what to build on next. A manager who doesn't know about his strong XI means the manager still doesn't have the right player to play for his system.
 

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Dembele played in a no.10 position at Fulham but there’s surely no question now that he was at his best deeper. Modric was used off the left a lot initially and that turned out to be a poor decision.

I’m not sure what you mean with regards to Pogba - I’m saying that playing as part of a midfield two, as the player alongside a holding midfielder, has been the one Pogba has found himself in most often at United. And that there isn’t necessarily much of a difference at all between playing as the no.8 in a midfield two and as the deeper no.8 in a 4-3-3, and by extension the positions occupied by Pogba this season and Grealish last season.

When Solskjaer took over, in terms of midfield he had exactly what he had at the beginning of this season. I’m not assuming we will move back to a 4-3-3, I’m just of the opinion that both Grealish playing in a midfield two or us shifting to a midfield three are possibilities if he comes in, and that the difference between those options is negligible. My expectations when both Pogba and Bruno are fit, is that we use/ would have used the 4-2-3-1 seen this season with Pogba in the two and Fernandes at no.10.
What I meant is that playing in midfield 2 is different to playing in midfield 3. In midfield 2 you need to be more discipline in the task, be more aware of what around you & positioning must be spot on. It's more difficult to play in the role compared to midfield 3 as you got extra man in midfield.

The main reason why Jose, Deschamps & Ole play Pogba in that pivot 2 of 4231 is because they need a player who can go deep to get the ball and to have player who can play long passes. Adding variety in the game and Grealish isn't special for it.

It's not something we should spend 40m-60m on the player to adapt & learn at 25 years old. Your comparison on Dembele & Modric is totally lazy just because they are attacking mid but ignoring player's playing style.

Dembele was converted from a striker to midfield at Fulham, it's not a type of club that desperate for success, it's a club desperate to survive and they are willing to take a risk of it and it worked because he has shear strength to hold the ball very well.

Modric is completely different to Grealish. Not everyone playing no 10 have the same style, Modric is more identical to Scholes who can play different kind of passings, a true dictator in midfield, different to Grealish's playing style.
 

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Pogba will be gone in the next 1-2 years regardless, might as well get his replacement ASAP.

We play more than enough games for Grealish to get good game time.

We need strong depth to compete on all fronts, look at the bench of our 07/08 team! We need this again if we want to reach the top level again.

We should sign him if he is available.
There could be someone else available in 2 years or someone could have came through the academy like that Mejbri kid, we can't spend £70M on a squad strengthener and I doubt he wants to be anything but a week in and week out starter.

If we look at our previous summer business we aren't likely to buy more than 3 players, Sancho is going to cost a bomb and we need a DM more than we need Grealish, and that is likely to cost another £50M at least, then I think the back up striker situation will be resolved, if there's a 4th addition I think it will be a special case situation like Bellingham, I just don't see the Grealish buy as being realisitc if you look at our transfer strategy and outlay recently.


Jesus, who the hell wants that?

Also personally I am pretty convinced by Martial long term. The numbers are respectable even in a team that's had to go without so many key players for much of the season, and the evidence of our eyes is obviously that he's a top quality player who makes our other key players click too.

Agree with your actual point though. Grealish's signing should be contingent on Pogba leaving.
I've seen it suggested a few times, just the other week when Inter were linked with Martial there were several posters who thought there was no big deal in selling him and moving Rashford back to #9 or trying to get Martinez in exchange.

I was very happy when we signed Martial as I liked him from the games I'd seen him play for Monaco and given this is his first season starting as a #9 week in and week out I think he's done pretty well, especially given the creativity from midfield was zero until Bruno came as Pogba has been out pretty much all season, and then Rashford has been out of action for quite a while as well which upset the rythym as him and Martial have good chemistry. I want to see him score more consistently but I've seen enough this season to want to see him start next season as our main #9.

Even if Pogba goes I think fitting Grealish in will be difficult, we'd be better off looking for a playmaker CM that can play alongside Fred or McTominay behind Bruno IMO.


This is all great points. But Grealish is a great option off the bench. Plus he will be a great replacement when Pogba, Fernandes or even Rashford is required to be rested.

Furthermore it will instill competition among the squad as they know they will have to keep playing at its best. In addition to above, against tough sides or latter stages in champions league where possession amd keeping it tight matters having a midfielder with great close control is paramount, thus we will sacrifice one striker either Rashford/Sancho or Martial depending on the form.

Lastly imagine first day of the season and we get an injury to Pogba or Fernandes and godforbid enters Lingard as a substitute or enters Grealish.
All of these things are contingent on Grealish being happy to be on the bench and the club being happy to spend £70M on a player who will be added for depth, Grealish is a good talent but if we scout well we can get a player on the continent a lot cheaper to come in as a squad option IMO.
 

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What I meant is that playing in midfield 2 is different to playing in midfield 3. In midfield 2 you need to be more discipline in the task, be more aware of what around you & positioning must be spot on. It's more difficult to play in the role compared to midfield 3 as you got extra man in midfield.

The main reason why Jose, Deschamps & Ole play Pogba in that pivot 2 of 4231 is because they need a player who can go deep to get the ball and to have player who can play long passes. Adding variety in the game and Grealish isn't special for it.

It's not something we should spend 40m-60m on the player to adapt & learn at 25 years old. Your comparison on Dembele & Modric is totally lazy just because they are attacking mid but ignoring player's playing style.

Dembele was converted from a striker to midfield at Fulham, it's not a type of club that desperate for success, it's a club desperate to survive and they are willing to take a risk of it and it worked because he has shear strength to hold the ball very well.

Modric is completely different to Grealish. Not everyone playing no 10 have the same style, Modric is more identical to Scholes who can play different kind of passings, a true dictator in midfield, different to Grealish's playing style.
I’m aware of what you meant and I reject it. I’ve rebutted the notion that a ‘midfield 2’ is a totally different animal to a ‘midfield 3’:

Typically, settled and well-functioning teams set up with a no.6-no.8-no.10 dynamic in that central area, regardless of the specific shape - so both in a 1-2 midfield format (4-3-3 - what you have described as a midfield three) and a 2-1 format (4-2-3-1 - what you have described as a midfield two). I would say that generally, a player who can play in one of the roles in one format can also play in the equivalent role in the other format.

Grealish played in a midfield with McGinn last year - a player who likes to get around the pitch, press, make runs, empty midfield and get in the box, and excels with the freedom to do so. By all accounts, Grealish - on the left of a 4-3-3 with McGinn right - typically operated a bit deeper looking to get on the ball and excelled. And you could call that the equivalent of the role Pogba has probably most often found himself in at United - alongside or just in front of, and in support of, a holding midfielder, and alongside or just behind, and in support of, an advanced midfielder, effectively the link between the two.
I’m saying that playing as part of a midfield two, as the player alongside a holding midfielder, has been the one Pogba has found himself in most often at United. And that there isn’t necessarily much of a difference at all between playing as the no.8 in a midfield two and as the deeper no.8 in a 4-3-3, and by extension the positions occupied by Pogba this season and Grealish last season.

I’m not assuming we will move back to a 4-3-3, I’m just of the opinion that both Grealish playing in a midfield two or us shifting to a midfield three are possibilities if he comes in, and that the difference between those options is negligible.
The idea that you need to be more disciplined in what you have been tasked with, more aware of what’s around you, better positioned or that it’s more difficult to play in a ‘2’ is rubbish. There is no ‘extra man’ in a ‘3’. For one, in a 4-2-3-1 there is still a midfield three - the ‘2’ and the player in the middle of the ‘3’. More broadly, teams are made up of eleven players who will be drilled in both transitioning from attack to defence and in organising into a set defensive shape - they defend as a team, not as isolated groups. Lingard and Pereira, and now Fernandes, have their role and responsibilities defensively just as
Pogba, Fred, McTominay and Matic do, all as part of a collective whole.

Playing a 4-2-3-1 doesn’t mean two holding midfielders or, conversely, two box to box and therefore no holding midfielders. It CAN mean either of these things, but it usually means one holder and one box to box/ link player. Similarly, playing a 4-3-3 usually means one deep no.8 and one advanced no.8. Playing as a no.6 in a 4-2-3-1 is virtually the same as playing as a no.6 in a 4-3-3, playing as a no.8 in a 4-2-3-1 is virtually the same as playing as the deepest no.8 in a 4-3-3, and playing as the no.10 in a 4-2-3-1 is virtually the same as playing as the most advanced no.8 in a 4-3-3.

Grealish could come in and adapt to fit our current shape. Or he could come in and our current shape could be tweaked to accommodate him. Or, most likely, some combination of both. We are talking about very minor changes.


The reason all those managers have opted to play Pogba in a midfield two is because of his ability to progress the play. Grealish doesn’t have Pogba’s range of passing, but he is fantastic at carrying the ball, either to evade pressure or attack space, and building the play through that. He is special in that sense.

My comparison to Modric and Dembele is not lazy at all and, contrarily, is based on their playing styles. Both have that similar ability to bypass opposition pressure with their dribbling, and just like Grealish they never look rushed or panicked on the ball. Time slows down when these players are in possession and it’s a lovely watch.

I don’t think there’s a player Grealish reminds me of more than Dembele, in his power, technical quality and elegance, and how he uses those strengths. The type of club Fulham are is irrelevant, and moving Dembele from an attacking player into midfield was not a gamble and not something which required time to adjust to or anything like that. It was perfect for him, to the extent where you could say he was wasted prior to that playing higher up the pitch.
 

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I’m aware of what you meant and I reject it. I’ve rebutted the notion that a ‘midfield 2’ is a totally different animal to a ‘midfield 3’:





The idea that you need to be more disciplined in what you have been tasked with, more aware of what’s around you, better positioned or that it’s more difficult to play in a ‘2’ is rubbish. There is no ‘extra man’ in a ‘3’. For one, in a 4-2-3-1 there is still a midfield three - the ‘2’ and the player in the middle of the ‘3’. More broadly, teams are made up of eleven players who will be drilled in both transitioning from attack to defence and in organising into a set defensive shape - they defend as a team, not as isolated groups. Lingard and Pereira, and now Fernandes, have their role and responsibilities defensively just as
Pogba, Fred, McTominay and Matic do, all as part of a collective whole.

Playing a 4-2-3-1 doesn’t mean two holding midfielders or, conversely, two box to box and therefore no holding midfielders. It CAN mean either of these things, but it usually means one holder and one box to box/ link player. Similarly, playing a 4-3-3 usually means one deep no.8 and one advanced no.8. Playing as a no.6 in a 4-2-3-1 is virtually the same as playing as a no.6 in a 4-3-3, playing as a no.8 in a 4-2-3-1 is virtually the same as playing as the deepest no.8 in a 4-3-3, and playing as the no.10 in a 4-2-3-1 is virtually the same as playing as the most advanced no.8 in a 4-3-3.

Grealish could come in and adapt to fit our current shape. Or he could come in and our current shape could be tweaked to accommodate him. Or, most likely, some combination of both. We are talking about very minor changes.


The reason all those managers have opted to play Pogba in a midfield two is because of his ability to progress the play. Grealish doesn’t have Pogba’s range of passing, but he is fantastic at carrying the ball, either to evade pressure or attack space, and building the play through that. He is special in that sense.

My comparison to Modric and Dembele is not lazy at all and, contrarily, is based on their playing styles. Both have that similar ability to bypass opposition pressure with their dribbling, and just like Grealish they never look rushed or panicked on the ball. Time slows down when these players are in possession and it’s a lovely watch.

I don’t think there’s a player Grealish reminds me of more than Dembele, in his power, technical quality and elegance, and how he uses those strengths. The type of club Fulham are is irrelevant, and moving Dembele from an attacking player into midfield was not a gamble and not something which required time to adjust to or anything like that. It was perfect for him, to the extent where you could say he was wasted prior to that playing higher up the pitch.
You can believe whatever you believe. Through my experience of playing football in midfield, I know the difference. If it wasn't different, people wouldn't make the debate in the past about Pogba should play in midfield 3 or in midfield 2.

If Pogba leaves, then it's simply should be replaced by someone who can do the task that the manager was expecting from Pogba in the role. Managers play Pogba deeper or assign him in that deeper role to play as deep playmaker to come deep get the ball and play those long range passing. As what we both can agree is that Grealish doesn't have the ability to play those type of passing then it's already big minus to expect him to take over Pogba's duty.

Best thing is use the money on other position first that we require to replace the task before signing a player who can't do the task, just because he's talented and can provide good squad depth.
 

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If this season is voided then Aston Villa would need the sale more than anything to survive. Maybe we can get Grealish on the cheap.
 

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If this season is voided then Aston Villa would need the sale more than anything to survive. Maybe we can get Grealish on the cheap.
I think they go down anyway if the season resumes. i just remember when Sessegnon was quoted at 90 million, then Fulham were relegated and sold him for 25
 

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Ive watched so many vids of him at this point that I find no way possible to field a balanced team with him and pogba. They are very similar in that they love to hold onto the ball and dribble past a few players before passing. Its an annoying habit for a midfielder. Its also why isco has never cemented a spot at Madrid for more than a season. It only seems to work fro players like iniesta that have the intelligence, decision making, and maturity to release the ball at the right time. Im not going to fully judge grealish from these videos but from the looks of it he is more like an Isco than Inesta.

Also we have so many risk takers already in the team.....Pogba, bruno, rashford(shoots from impossible angles when frustrated) and now possibly grealish. I would love to see how Ole works out a balance because all these guys are first team material.
 

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Might want to look into what he’s been up to during quarantine round dickens heath...
 

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If this season is voided then Aston Villa would need the sale more than anything to survive. Maybe we can get Grealish on the cheap.
Please elaborate on this, I don’t understand what you mean. Do you know their owners at all, or just assume they are skint?
 

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You can believe whatever you believe. Through my experience of playing football in midfield, I know the difference. If it wasn't different, people wouldn't make the debate in the past about Pogba should play in midfield 3 or in midfield 2.

If Pogba leaves, then it's simply should be replaced by someone who can do the task that the manager was expecting from Pogba in the role. Managers play Pogba deeper or assign him in that deeper role to play as deep playmaker to come deep get the ball and play those long range passing. As what we both can agree is that Grealish doesn't have the ability to play those type of passing then it's already big minus to expect him to take over Pogba's duty.

Best thing is use the money on other position first that we require to replace the task before signing a player who can't do the task, just because he's talented and can provide good squad depth.
I don’t think you’re quite getting what I’m saying.

The debate is about whether Pogba should be played as either the most advanced midfielder or as the link between the most advanced midfielder and the deepest, anchoring midfielder. Both roles are present in both a 4-2-3-1 and a 4-3-3. This season, Pogba was being asked to play the second, deeper role. We set up in a 4-2-3-1, but there is an equivalent role in a 4-3-3. A replacement could fulfill the same role in either formation or basically any formation using a midfield two or midfield three.

Pogba is in the team to add value in possession from that area - as I said, a creative player like him is deployed there to provide progression, in whatever form. Long, take-notice passes are only one facet of what Pogba brings to that position. Xavi did not display the same range of passing, yet was better, than Pogba, Modric or Scholes in the same role. Grealish not being able to pass the ball long in the way Pogba does does not render him ill-suited.
 

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Police should throw the book at him, during these difficult times he behaves like an entitled prat. I know make him volunteer at a hospital that will humble him.

Edit: only if this confirmed to be true.
 
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I don’t think you’re quite getting what I’m saying.

The debate is about whether Pogba should be played as either the most advanced midfielder or as the link between the most advanced midfielder and the deepest, anchoring midfielder. Both roles are present in both a 4-2-3-1 and a 4-3-3. This season, Pogba was being asked to play the second, deeper role. We set up in a 4-2-3-1, but there is an equivalent role in a 4-3-3. A replacement could fulfill the same role in either formation or basically any formation using a midfield two or midfield three.

Pogba is in the team to add value in possession from that area - as I said, a creative player like him is deployed there to provide progression, in whatever form. Long, take-notice passes are only one facet of what Pogba brings to that position. Xavi did not display the same range of passing, yet was better, than Pogba, Modric or Scholes in the same role. Grealish not being able to pass the ball long in the way Pogba does does not render him ill-suited.
The one who needs to understand the situation is you, but it seems that you prefer to have an idea that suits to if you are the one who in charge as the manager of the club not Ole.

Let me ask you something. Why did Jose Mourinho, Deschamps & Ole (this season) decide to play Pogba in the deeper role of the 4231 formation? What asset does he have that others in United team & France National team don't have which make those managers to play Pogba in there, even though he is known as box to box or player who should play further than where they played him?

Have a think, and if you can find the answer, it'll give you the direction to where why Grealish isn't suitable replacement for the role & task that Pogba had under Mourinho, Deschamps & Ole (this season).
 

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Some rumours doing the rounds on social media that Grealish went to his mates to celebrate his move being completed provisionally to us in the summer. £50m in Villa go down, £75m if they stay up - I doubt there's any truth in it though.
 
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