Jadon Sancho - Chelsea (loan) watch | £5M opt-out fee

Utterly De Ligt'd said:
For 25+ years I have barely missed a United game, with the exception of the 19/20, 20/21 seasons where life got really busy and I really just took a passing interest in football, watched the odd game and once every couple weeks spend a few minutes reading a bit of news. Even with such a low interest in football at the time I was dead set against the Sancho signing. Just looking at his career trajectory, leaving City because he didn't seem fully dedicated, playing well at Dortmund, which rarely translates elsewhere, and looking at Sancho's social media and seeing it being more about Yachts and new purses and fancy clothes, this signing always seemed like a disaster in the making. How is it that I could come to that conclusion with so little information, and our scouting department could spend two years chasing him and not figure it out? Sometimes the obvious is obvious for a reason and shouldn't be ignored.
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Yachts?
 
duffer said:
Yachts?
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You know those things that go in the water, and sometimes rich people rent them out to party on? When you look at the social media of most 18/19 year old kids they are almost exclusively them in their kits, in games, training, signing contracts, generally professional material. At 18/19 Sancho's profile was him living the life of Ronaldo at 30, buying fancy things, partying and living the highlife. When you have the mentality at 18, that you have already made it and can fully enjoy that lifestyle then there is something wrong, what are you fighting to achieve if you already have all that? At that point your social media should be what you see from most kids, highlighting high points of your career to date, showing your professional achievements and what you can do with the rest of your career.


Mentality is as equally important to making it at the top level, it was clear as day 5 years ago that Sancho didn't have the right mentality to make it, in his mind, he had made it, because he was playing well in a farmer's league in his teens.
 
He looked good, against Legia, whose total revenue is only $25m or so, about 1/3 of his transfer fee to Utd? Against decent opposition he looks toothless and would be suited to a move to a different league...
 
Utterly De Ligt'd said:
You know those things that go in the water, and sometimes rich people rent them out to party on? When you look at the social media of most 18/19 year old kids they are almost exclusively them in their kits, in games, training, signing contracts, generally professional material. At 18/19 Sancho's profile was him living the life of Ronaldo at 30, buying fancy things, partying and living the highlife. When you have the mentality at 18, that you have already made it and can fully enjoy that lifestyle then there is something wrong, what are you fighting to achieve if you already have all that? At that point your social media should be what you see from most kids, highlighting high points of your career to date, showing your professional achievements and what you can do with the rest of your career.


Mentality is as equally important to making it at the top level, it was clear as day 5 years ago that Sancho didn't have the right mentality to make it, in his mind, he had made it, because he was playing well in a farmer's league in his teens.
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He played a UCL final last season. Goes without saying that only happened because EPL clubs were too exhausted from being so intense and strong all season :)
 
Zehner said:
He played a UCL final last season. Goes without saying that only happened because EPL clubs were too exhausted from being so intense and strong all season :)
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Nice dunk, but his career is a disaster, he's a laughing stock that on one wants, at this rate he likely won't even be playing top flight football within a couple years, but yeah, Dortmund strung him along to a CL final, when he wasn't actually playing that well, so their social media could dunk on United, meanwhile they were so impressed they immediately sent him back to United and have distanced themselves ever since.
 
Worth way more than £25 million. Get them to pay us the £5 million to return him then we can flog him for £40 million plus
 
He's found his level this week v Legia and Ipswich... In a different league he can be a decent, he's not worth 25m with his wages on top.
 
Chelsea are really poor under Maresca, both he and Antony have done enough to have a series of clubs interested in them at the price we would want to sell. There will be few issues there.

Rashford is the worrying one, but still hoping he can finish the season strongly.
 
Mb194dc said:
He's found his level this week v Legia and Ipswich... In a different league he can be a decent, he's not worth 25m with his wages on top.
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No. In a different team or system he can be decent. If you stuck Juan Mata on the touchline it'd be much the same. In fact, Mata started there and then became a 10. Sancho can't beat quick fullbacks. He simply doesn't have the acceleration over 10 yards. He needs runners pinning opponents. Would love to see Maresca change the system a bit, have him at 10, Cole RW with an overlapping RB, Neto/Madueke on the left.
 
duffer said:
Apparently they haven't.
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There's no smoke without fire.
Redstain said:
Seen the same from caught offside don't think they are great sources however but there's no decent winger going for 25 million aside Cherki who is still unproven in English domestic football.
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We'll have to wait and see. I wonder if this is what triggered the Cunha progress.
 
duffer said:
There would be no terrible clickbait ai slop fake news football websites without people like you linking them all over the place.
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In the words of Keegan, I'd love if this news is true. Bye bye Sancho
 
The clauses for the obligation to buy him,have been met, now that they can't finish 15th.
This is the story that gets twisted into Chelsea have activated the transfer.

Only thing that's happened is they are now obligated to buy him for 25m.

But of course, they still have a get-out clause which incurs a 5m penalty fee.
 
Still seems like a 50/50 proposition with their fans. Logically if you take the 5M as a sunk cost then the remaining fee to sign him is 20M which for a squad player at PL level is really not all that much. The debate seems to be as to whether he would contribute more with a better striker than Jackson in the team and with better tactics as the fans don't seem too fond of Maresca. On the whole the feeling seems to be that for the price they are paying they could probably get their money back in another season if they decide to move on.
 
Gandalf said:
Still seems like a 50/50 proposition with their fans. Logically if you take the 5M as a sunk cost then the remaining fee to sign him is 20M which for a squad player at PL level is really not all that much. The debate seems to be as to whether he would contribute more with a better striker than Jackson in the team and with better tactics as the fans don't seem too fond of Maresca. On the whole the feeling seems to be that for the price they are paying they could probably get their money back in another season if they decide to move on.
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The issue with pretty much every single United player we sell isn't the fee, its the wages. Sancho isn't a £20m player. Hes easily a £35-40m player even with his current form. £35m buys you very little. Hes not a £35m player though if you have to pay him £350k/week.
 
Gandalf said:
Still seems like a 50/50 proposition with their fans. Logically if you take the 5M as a sunk cost then the remaining fee to sign him is 20M which for a squad player at PL level is really not all that much. The debate seems to be as to whether he would contribute more with a better striker than Jackson in the team and with better tactics as the fans don't seem too fond of Maresca. On the whole the feeling seems to be that for the price they are paying they could probably get their money back in another season if they decide to move on.
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That's the thing, provided he's not on astronomical wages they are unlikely to find a better option for £25m or less. The manager clearly likes him as he plays every week - when he doesn't start he'll often be the first from the bench.
 
mctrials23 said:
The issue with pretty much every single United player we sell isn't the fee, its the wages. Sancho isn't a £20m player. Hes easily a £35-40m player even with his current form. £35m buys you very little. Hes not a £35m player though if you have to pay him £350k/week.
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I agree with that but unlike the Rashford situation he only has 1 year left on his contract and I am fairly sure he knows he is not going to be getting 350k a week going forward. If he can get a 4 or 5 year deal on a par with other players at Chelsea he will probably be happy to get that security under his belt knowing that we will happily fork over the difference for the last year of his current deal to wash our hands of him.
 
There must be only a year left on his united contract at this point. Chelsea paying money to avoid signing a guy who plays most weeks would be embarrassing enough to severely damage future chances of playing at a decent level and getting a good wage. Its not very good leverage anymore.
 
saivet said:
That's the thing, provided he's not on astronomical wages they are unlikely to find a better option for £25m or less. The manager clearly likes him as he plays every week - when he doesn't start he'll often be the first from the bench.
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The real issue is why would they be content with a 25m player? They'd be better off spending more for a star
 
Knowing Chelsea they will probably buy another 2 wingers in the Summer, Madueke, Sancho and Neto haven't been hugely productive.
 
giorno said:
The real issue is why would they be content with a 25m player? They'd be better off spending more for a star
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Every team needs squad players, they cannot all be stars. Sancho has played a hell of a lot of minutes this season and provides a baseline level of competence that a team competing on four fronts needs in its squad. Mudryk may be finished at Chelsea, Quenda is a year away from joining and Neto has been disappointing and is of course made of glass. If they sign him and he has another season like this one he would still be worth around 25M and on a lower wage they would not have too much difficulty finding a taker in the BL if they want to move on.
 
Look, none of us know what James Cordon is thinking. Maybe he’ll ok the transfer, maybe he won’t. Best we can do is just wait it out.
 
Gandalf said:
Every team needs squad players, they cannot all be stars.
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chelsea have plenty of squad players in attack though. What they lack is stars. Somebody who can help Palmer
 
We shall see, but if you're a Chelsea supporter it would seem the obvious correct answer is to pay United the $5m and send Sancho back to Old Trafford.
 
I can’t see them not going for him at £20 million. It’s a good deal if he agrees to their structured wage scale.
 
Redstain said:
Seen the same from caught offside don't think they are great sources however but there's no decent winger going for 25 million aside Cherki who is still unproven in English domestic football.
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Tbf I wouldn't really say Sancho is proven in english football
 
Sancho was shipped out by ten Hag. For all we know Amorim wants to work with him.
 
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