Popular opinion seems to be that its about how the money is paid ie how much upfront and then subsequent installments etc.
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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Starts in a friendly at 4pm UK time, as does Bellingham.
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Basically every outlet in Germany has quoted Zorc as saying there will be no deal and have accepted it as such. Taking a Sportbild reporter such as Falk as gospel is very questionable, Sportbild have not have information on Dortmund related transfer dealings in ages.
Maybe we should just move on, there has been no indication whatsoever from Sancho that he wants to come to us. In fact he seems quite happy to play his role in the BVB media circus and rub it into utd that he's staying.
I think it'll get done after the Europa League, Depends how far we go in it.
As you said, we'll see. The next window is 10-11 months down the road. If a vaccine is developed in the next 6 months and effective drugs are found, things could go rather quickly from that point onward.
But I understand where you are coming from. Wouldn't rule anything out at this point in time.
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Wondering whats the CAF record on threads with highest pages, Wesley Sneijder ?
Jadon Sancho starting for Borussia Dortmund in a friendly means nothing, Harry Maguire played all but 1 pre-season games for Leicester last summer.
About Falk: He may be the oracle for Bayern, but has never been close to BVB. Matthias Dersch and Thomas Hennecke from Kicker, Freddie Roeckenhaus from Sueddeutsche (not on Twitter) or - and currently mostly very well-informed - Sebastian Wessling from Funke Medien (@fluestertweets) are much more reliable sources when it comes to BVB. All of them wrote in the past few days and already before Zorcs announcement that Sancho will most likely stay. Wessling confirmed this in an article for Funke today (paywall) after having talked to Sascha Fligge, BVB press officer.
While it would be a climb down from their position Dortmund can easily spin this if they do sell. They can use that Sancho is homesick and wanted to go home, putting them in a good light from a human aspect.
They can also use the pandemic as reason for it to be a sound financial decision for the future of the club, particularly if they announced a replacement at around the same time. They could sign a replacement and cover their last year's losses and cash leftover to cover bigger losses in the next few seasons.
I know their fans would be a miffed that they had gone back on their stance but that would probably be short term while the true impact of Covid kicks in. Making a firm stance like they have to keep the high price is probably worth fans being annoyed. Most United hate our board yet they still do well commercially, I don't know if they were more popular if that would make us better, I suspect only being more successful in the pitch would do that.
I think the impact on spending will effect the transfer market more in the coming windows for the big clubs rather than this one once the reality sets in. Taking into account that part of their business model is based on player sales do they want to risk their biggest asset devaluing.
They can also use the pandemic as reason for it to be a sound financial decision for the future of the club, particularly if they announced a replacement at around the same time. They could sign a replacement and cover their last year's losses and cash leftover to cover bigger losses in the next few seasons.
I know their fans would be a miffed that they had gone back on their stance but that would probably be short term while the true impact of Covid kicks in. Making a firm stance like they have to keep the high price is probably worth fans being annoyed. Most United hate our board yet they still do well commercially, I don't know if they were more popular if that would make us better, I suspect only being more successful in the pitch would do that.
I think the impact on spending will effect the transfer market more in the coming windows for the big clubs rather than this one once the reality sets in. Taking into account that part of their business model is based on player sales do they want to risk their biggest asset devaluing.
do you have a stream link?
Time to analyse some body language
SportBild exemplarily published this yesterday.
Translation:
"The clear statement of Dortmund's director of sports Michael Zorc should end the months of speculation of a move to Manchester United. However, in England they do not seem to come to terms with the definitiveness of this decision. [...]
{summary of the transfer story up until now and a short report that United are still trying}
[...] The English international is currently preparing with the BVB in their training camp in Bad Ragaz (Swiss) for the upcoming Bundesliga season. He seems to have accepted the decision. Apparently in contrast to Manchester United..."
That doesn't sound like the SportBild is convinced this is still on from Dortmund's side.
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There is a possibility to negotiate with agents and intermediarys you know. And we did for several days.
And we did investigate the image rights, and found out what it would cost us too buy them.
Stop pretending to know everything as well.
You could easily argue they’re putting pressure on United to pay up. The fact we haven’t briefed the media saying this is off is telling too. We are usually very eager to do so, see Griezmann & Dybala pursuits. There is a good chance it might not happen but I wouldn’t say it’s a 100% off just yet.
If they wanted to reinforce the point of him staying, they would have him say that.
Bullshit press. They know as much as me and you do. They were selling that Sancho was signing all day every day in the build up to the BvB deadline, how the deal was all but agreed, how he had signed personal terms. They knew nothing, just getting clicks. When the outcome didnt arrive, now they will sell the ‘not moving’ news, more clicks. Dortmund just dont want to weaken their negotiating position. If we want him we will sign him.
Seems like United misread Dortmund's stance on the deadline.
Zorc is the boy who cried wolf. Basically, his past statements related to similar deals (Auba and Dembele) mean this is still definitely on.
Don’t think that’s even top 3. Pogba is number 1 for sure, was over 1000 pages. Pretty sure Thiago and Vidal were the next biggest.
They are putting him into the shopping window, they are clearly desperate to sell.
There is no deadline... it was mentioned awhile back that the deadline was just something Zorc gave to the media, it was never officially communicated to our club. So of course german media would run with it.
Thanks! They might get their record ever viewing today for a pre season game
Sometimes I think we as fans read too much into transfer dealings. A member of senior management saying Sancho is not for sale should probably be read as him actually not being for sale. It's not all briefs and counterbriefs.
And if Woodward really has misread Dortmund's stance on a hard deadline, well that would hardly be a surprise would it?
And if Woodward really has misread Dortmund's stance on a hard deadline, well that would hardly be a surprise would it?
While I agree that Sportbild is to a considerable extent bullshit, kicker, WAZ, Süddeutsche, Ruhrnachrichten and other outlets also report that a deal has been ruled out. None of them have interpreted Zorcs statement as posturing. Note that I am still not 100% that the deal can not be reached, I just see it as unlikely at this point.
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stream doesnt workThanks! They might get their record ever viewing today for a pre season game
The Pogba saga, look at the threadmarks! So many times in there people believed we wouldn't get him, patience people. Sancho will be ours.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/paul-pogba-undergoing-medical-helping-out-the-laundry-ladies.417567/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/paul-pogba-undergoing-medical-helping-out-the-laundry-ladies.417567/
I'd actually prefer not to brief the media and make it clear the deal is off if I were looking at other targets. If for example Dembele is our only option I'd rather have other clubs thinking we're deciding on going all in still on Sancho but with covid etc if the deal is right we may just go for Dembele or other option and save some dosh. Best to not signal to the whole world Sancho is off quite that fast and appear desperate for an alternative.
you are totally on the money and the fact we are dithering and saying this deal is possibly still on is more foolishness/posturing from us. It just shows how out of touch with the market we are and have been. Recently Dortmund have outsmarted us on a few deals. I’d imagine the club probably believe the deal is dead now but don’t want to make a definitive statement because if they are genuinely interested they look stupid for letting the deadline pass without even making a bid. the club with the player under contract hold all the cards and they’ve told us not this summer unless 120 before this date. No backing down from that unless they want to lose a great player and look stupid into the bargain. I know who I believe at this stage anyway.
Not at all really. I'm well used to the annual United transfer circus. It's just I think in certain cases things are actually quite straightforward. Sometimes the prospective selling club says a player isn't for sale and they actually mean it.
More like keeping him fit so he's had some sort of pre-season before he joins us on October 5th!
Typical hipster, efficient Germans keeping everyone waiting! Maybe they'd like £90m to help put towards a new media department.
Perhaps, but i'm not hearing any noises at all to suggest it's off. I think there will be more news after this round of CL.
If he’s the boy who cried wolf, he was bluffing the two first times, with auba and dembele, yeah?
Now the third time, the wolf is actually here, i.e. he means what he says, but no one believe him.
That’ll, unfortunately, means it’s off!
No, he's the boy who cries 'pay me what I want' and if we don't do that, then we'll not get him
Agreed. I also think LVG had a few strange ideas. I think he wanted Muller, who might not have been a very good fit here in my view.
The reports leading up to this week have been that both teams have actually agreed on the price of 120m euros. The only disagreement is around the structure of it and how much is paid in each installment with Dortmund wanting a bigger chunk in the first payment. This is what has been reported anyhow. However, it wouldn’t be surprising if Woodward actually bid £20m in reality with Lingard and a packet of condoms as our offer.
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