You're making it as if it's a negotiation in a traditional market.
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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Yeah it was his choice but it was his career move and 2 years later it turns out it was a bang on right move. He wouldn’t be here today if he didn’t leave. City would never have given him the chance. It could the same with German and Spanish players wanting to rush back home when playing abroad if the top clubs like Bayern, Barca and Madrid come calling.
Most annoying thing in this thread is Bayern and Dortmund fans acting like Dortmund aren't a selling club or that Bayern never got good deals off them.
Actually not. I would prefer to have Sancho and Halland being long term at Dortmund, simply to keep the league competitive. A real danger would be a great manager at Dortmund. But that won't happen...
You can't even Spell Haaland's name! Your league doesn't deserve him!
I don't know, an offer that is 1000% of Dortmunds investment can imo be considered a good offer. Which would be 80m. I don't think Dortmund would go bankrupt, hell they even would have plenty of cash to spare after acquiring a replacement. United could afford it even in Covid times, Sancho would get his move, everyone would be happy.
I don't see why it must be 120m, or why they hire an intermediary and try to make United pay him on top of that. That just doesn't seem like respecting the players wishes but really only Dortmunds own interest.
As I said, Dembele had to go on strike as clearly Dortmund were not holding up their end of the bargain, same as now.
Bayern are the expects at tapping up and acting like they have a God given right to cherry pick the best talents in the league, so its a bit rich when they step in to try to defend them.
Let’s look at it in another way, even Dembele go on strike and eventually get his love, he still cost Barca a fortune.
Issue here with Sancho transfer, is not that Dortmund refuse to sell him, but just that they have a price tag on him, and they stand by that.
That Greenwood won't score 20 or Dortmund coming back?
Not only that but also this poster formulating some fanfic conversation about our negotiations with Dortmund is probably the worst post in this whole thread and shows how delusional they are.
After todays brief Im more confident he will sign. But it'll drag on till mid september. Booo.
To me Greenwood is a starboy and sky’s the limit. I hope he bags +20. I actually think if we were to bag Sancho, before the end of next season (likely second half of the season) the attacking trio would be comprised of Sancho+Greenwood+Martial. Rashford’s form fluctuates too often, and wildly.
But Dortmund/Sancho will never be short of suitors, so they coming back begging for 70millie is just not going to happen. Kid is 20 and one of the best in his position in the world already with back to back seasons to show he’s certified.
Trust me: If there would have been any chance to get Sancho below 100M Bayern would have tried it. They settled with Sane for 50 or 60M. Now you do your math.
Unfortunately you, me, United or hell the even the “market” doesn’t set the value. The selling club does. It’s as simple as that. Contract length sure determines some of the value you pay. But ultimately it up to the selling club cause it’s their asset. Gone are the days when a player can’t go over a certain amount. The amount of money that’s in football today is ludicrous. Fulham get 160m just for getting promoted. Let that sink in.
Let’s say you have a car which you dont mind keeping but at the same time you wouldn’t mind selling if the right offer comes in. You name your price at $1000. The blue book and all car pricing websites say your car can’t be more than $800. You have every right to set that $1000 value. People can say it’s too much and not buy which is their right but ultimately there might be that one buyer who would be like I don’t mind paying an extra $200 for it.
That’s exactly what Dortmund are doing. There are trying to squeeze every penny out of the deal and quite frankly they have every right to do it. It’s simple for us. If we don’t want to pay that much then walk away. Also should I remind you we did the same with Ronaldo. We were ready to let him leave IF Madrid met our valuation.
What a load of disrespectful shit. Borussia Dortmund is a huge club, that's growing in a very sustainable fashion, despite not having the financial muscle of the richest clubs in the world.
Althought it's hard for them to win their domestic league or the UCL, they got way closer of doing that than us in the last seven years, with nowhere near the same resources.
In a reality where oil clubs, dictatorships and shady corporate people deal the cards in football you want to accuse Dortmund of wrongdoing? Because they don't want to sell players for less than they're worth to these billionaire bully clubs?
Honestly, I'm not going to finish this post in the way I intended because you're not worth a ban.
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True,
Rash wasn't too good this morning either.
People saying this is dead, looking unlikely, calm your tits godamn don't you have better things to do in your life other than having panic attacks over a transfer you already know it's going to be a deadline day saga?
Where have you people been for the last seasons if you still don't know that's how our clowns do business?
Where have you people been for the last seasons if you still don't know that's how our clowns do business?
indeedExact my question as well. We paid 80m on Maguire. Can’t believe some people actually believe we won’t pay 100m on Sancho. This is what we do, trying to negotiate to get a good deal, at the end we will end up signing the player whether we get the pay cut or no.
It took us until near the end of the window to sign Maguire & Bruno.
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Sorry to disappoint you my friend and at the same time I'm trying to demystify many super-great deals Bayern has made: In reality Bayern usually used opted-out clauses (Goetze, Hernandez), or waited for players in the very last year (Sane), or got them for free (Lewandowski, Goretzka). Very rarely they have ever paid the real market value. Hernandez now looks not so good . But in general, the policy seems to work -- which is here German for: They are doing a brillant job.
I am not sure they really are that huge. Just ask Lewandowski, Götze, Hummels and all the other players who left them at the first chance they got. Even during the period they were actually successful, those mentioned rather went to Bayern, to win Trophies with far more regularity.
Two things, first: who is bullying Dortmund? We are in negotiations, it's all pretty normal from United's side. It rather is Dortmund who don't negotiate, set artificial deadlines and want us to pay their intermediary on top of their price.
Second: Sancho is only worth 120m as soon as somebody pays that amount. Until then, reality is that he's just NOT worth it.
I can also ask for 100,- for a sketch I did on a napkin, doesn't mean it's worth it.
Great, I'm glad you didn't, one should really not get worked up like this only because someones opinion doesn't align with one's own. My intention never was to irritate someone, rather to express my feelings on the matter, as is customary in discussion forums.
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I'm sure that sounded funnier in your head.
Firstly, Dortmund always sell their star players. It's what they do but they keep finding great players and developing them, so their model isn't so bad.
Secondly, Dortmund absolutely should be playing hardball with us.
Sancho is one of the premier talents in world football, already. He's putting up great numbers and actually improving all the time and he's got another 10yrs at the top level, potentially.
This makes him extremely valuable, even in the current market but especially compared to other fees have been spent in the last few years. Covid is irrelevant, every club has suffered financially, so it's pretty much a level playing field.
United should just pay the price. Its a fair price. The lad wants to come here. He is for sale and he's worth it.
Secondly, Dortmund absolutely should be playing hardball with us.
Sancho is one of the premier talents in world football, already. He's putting up great numbers and actually improving all the time and he's got another 10yrs at the top level, potentially.
This makes him extremely valuable, even in the current market but especially compared to other fees have been spent in the last few years. Covid is irrelevant, every club has suffered financially, so it's pretty much a level playing field.
United should just pay the price. Its a fair price. The lad wants to come here. He is for sale and he's worth it.
This is heartbreaking knowing how much seasoned muppets have invested into this saga but at the same time if dortmund want to play hardball and show the world they can actually keep hold of their best players then fair enough.
Let the club continue to do what it does. Sancho wouldve been lovely but ultimately he is just a player.
Who gives a feck man
Let the club continue to do what it does. Sancho wouldve been lovely but ultimately he is just a player.
Who gives a feck man
I‘m not sure they‘re doing a great job. They are definitely making best use of the dominant position they are in. Any player that wants to stay in Germany and wants to win titles will have to move to Bayern. I‘d like to see them in a competitive situation where they need to compete for transfers with other German teams. Then we may be able to judge if they are really doing a brilliant job.
This has been typical of our last few transfer threads, insulting the selling club just because they dare to have demands or want a high price. Any selling club United deal with should hand us the player without asking much according to some.
I see we’ve reached the “he’s not coming stage” and not far from the “didn’t want him anyway” stage.
That means we should have him signed no later than next week.
That means we should have him signed no later than next week.
How fare thee today yee muppets?
Considering how the media in the UK seems so surprised by that, it doesn't seem so far fetched. Also, someone from the United side could've leaked it to the press if they knew about it.Do you really think they did not know this?
An additional year in Sancho's contract with Dortmund leaves very less bargaining power in United's hands unless he hands in a transfer request.
Yep, that was expected from the beginning. But sometimes, inner Muppet takes over and overwhelms any sense of rationality.
This is so original and funny, it belongs in the newbies.
Maybe Woodward and team have done some oppo research --- and had some financial analysis on Dortmund and know their current/actual financial state of affairs. They may know its a bluff in view of the financial situation.
Just heard Jan Aage Fjortoft on ESPN - the guy is insufferable, and couldn't answer a straight question, instead kept rambling non-stop. What a nutcase!
Watching Woodward’s negotiations skills again, the pessimist in me thinks he will end up paying more than necessary at some stage , certainly there may be a Utd premium, but when we see other clubs source players, identify them and actually sign them - he is so frustrating. Then again he does the Glazers well, the football club , not so sure.
You're not throwing them from high enough.
Yeah does feel like we will have to strap in until at least after Europa league campaign probably longer
You do know they are 12th on the list of most valuable clubs right? They aren’t a relegation threatened side. Their finances are still good. Again if they want to demand 120m they can or if they want to sell for 20m they can as well. You can call their bluff all you want. We may have had the upper hand if his contract was up in 2 years but from the looks of it it’s actually 2023. That switches the power back to Dortmund.
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God I hope that is just for one instalment rather than the whole thing, otherwise I wouldn't blame them telling us to get fecked
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