Jadon Sancho | Official: Loaned to Villa

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Is there a scenario where Chelsea pull out, pay us the £5m and then come back later in the window with an offer of £10m?

We won’t be getting £20m from anyone else.
 
duffer said:
I can confirm that this is absolutely not true.
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Are you sure, I remember seeing this in a lot of PSR chats a few seasons ago? I can try and find the sources but were legit journos reporting it, not the Mail etc.

The newer model was like £80k and then it went up to £100k (obviously the add ons are all realistic to get people up into the £200k+ range) but the actual take home base alone was capped. Maybe wrong but it was referenced in detail around the time Palmer was renewing.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Are you sure, I remember seeing this in a lot of PSR chats a few seasons ago? I can try and find the sources but were legit journos reporting it, not the Mail etc.

The newer model was like £80k and then it went up to £100k (obviously the add ons are all realistic to get people up into the £200k+ range) but the actual take home base alone was capped. Maybe wrong but it was referenced in detail around the time Palmer was renewing.
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I am sure. There are quite a few players on well over £100K basic wage. James is reportedly on £250K for example. I'd bet there's at least 7-8 players on over £150K.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
Is there a scenario where Chelsea pull out, pay us the £5m and then come back later in the window with an offer of £10m?

We won’t be getting £20m from anyone else.
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I think we can get at least £15mil from someone else so probably not. If they want him they'll probably just negotiate with us rather than pull out.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Are you sure, I remember seeing this in a lot of PSR chats a few seasons ago? I can try and find the sources but were legit journos reporting it, not the Mail etc.

The newer model was like £80k and then it went up to £100k (obviously the add ons are all realistic to get people up into the £200k+ range) but the actual take home base alone was capped. Maybe wrong but it was referenced in detail around the time Palmer was renewing.
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I think the current max for new signings over the past two years is about £120k for Enzo Fernandez. We definitely have a much stricter wage structure than under Roman.
 
Dancfc said:
All in all I'm leaning towards hoping we don't sign him (although in a vacuum i like him more than Neto and Noni). However I've not detected a hint of his supposed attitude problems so if he does go I wish him the best.
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I haven't warmed to Neto at all, he's just a boring, inefficient winger who is very easy to nullify and can occasionally get you a goal. I really like Madueke. He gets the most flak from Chelsea fans but he's by far my favourite winger out of the current group. He's just so inconsistent that it's hard to trust him in any given game.

Sancho, I kinda like too. You're right, he hasn't shown any attitude problems with us so far, even when he was benched for many weeks in the middle part of the season. But that could well just be because he's on loan and he's trying to convince the club to make the loan permanent. Personally he hasn't done close to enough to warrant keeping him, so I'll be a bit annoyed if we do, but it wouldn't be a disaster. It would just be disappointing because I don't think he's that good.
 
Orc said:
I think the current max for new signings over the past two years is about £120k for Enzo Fernandez. We definitely have a much stricter wage structure than under Roman.
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That will definitely go up now with the CL football secured.
 
A quick conclusion to the Sancho deal will keep the United accountants happy.

Can't rely on Barca or any of the Italian clubs to offer United anything other than a few crappy loan offers, so they need the money from Chelsea really.
 
Tyrion said:
I was curious and checked the chelsea fan forum. Most of them seem happy to keep him (on lower wages) as they think he's either about as good or slightly better than their current wingers plus he's a chelsea fan apparently. A few thinks he's just average.

They dont seem to think he's anywhere as good as he was supposed to be when he came to United or as bad as most of us think he is.
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He's a bang average player with a couple of pretty good attributes. That's probably the best way I can describe him based on the 12 months he's been with us.

He's pretty bad at a lot of the things you want from a winger. He's decent if you put in the pockets and ask him to use his technical skills and close control to link play up as a pseudo number 10. But the way we've used him, he's not someone I want to keep around beyond this season.
 
duffer said:
I wouldn't sign him but still a little sad that we're sending him back. He wasn't amazing for us but he wasn't terrible.

Anorim should give him a go. Redemption stories in football are great.
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At least you’ve got Sterling back to replace him!
 
duffer said:
I am sure. There are quite a few players on well over £100K basic wage. James is reportedly on £250K for example. I'd bet there's at least 7-8 players on over £150K.
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I suspect this might be the lag from the old system to the new though. As @Orc says below newer signings of yours are on much less from reports.

This was the quote from Sky:
Now these contracts are long term contracts. They're also incentivized. That means that Chelsea see these players as an asset and not as a liability. So if you're a Chelsea player and you've got a long term contract, if you perform and are playing well and you're very productive, you get your salary. You also get huge bonuses.

On the other hand, if you're a Chelsea player, you've got a long term contract and you're not performing, all you're getting is your base salary. And that salary is typically around 60,000 - 70,000 pounds a week.
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This from Athletic on why you pulled out of Olise deal and why Williams salary demands of £160k were too hihg.

Let’s start with some background. When the Todd Boehly-Clearlake consortium bought the club two years ago, part of the business plan was to dramatically reduce the wage bill. The theory is that recruiting up-and-coming players on lower salaries and long contracts means big savings overall because you avoid having to discuss extensions and pay rises with every individual — and the subsequent agent’s commission — every two to three years. Plus, if the day comes where a player asks to leave or the club decides to sell, it should be easier to do so because their wages do not price them out of a move. The saving on wages also potentially means more money to reinvest into the club and it helps their efforts to comply with profit and sustainability regulations (PSR) as well.
This practice was always going to take time. Chelsea’s last financial accounts for the year ending June 30, 2023 showed the club’s expenditure on salaries went up from £340.2million (2022) to £404m. But part of the reason for that is they are still in the process of getting expensive unwanted players from the squad they inherited off the books.
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Another aspect assisting with this is introducing incentivised contracts, the ability to reward or effectively punish what the team does in a season. For example, most acquisitions made after 2022 suffered a pay cut in the 2023-24 campaign because the club did not qualify for Europe. Those who renegotiated new deals during the 2022-23 season, like captain Reece James, had a percentage taken away as well. New arrivals have pay that reflects whether they are regular starters or not. Sterling is the exception in the current group because there were clauses in his agreement.
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Definitely salaries will jump with CL qualification but there was also parts about apps etc. which contributed from memory (like you had to hit a certain mount of apps to then get the pay bump).

I guess it's all conjecture, but remember it being specifically referenced a few times (this was a 2min google and lots comes up) so would assume there's some truth in Chelsea being more incentivised or slightly differently structured compared to Pool (for example, who we know were very add on heavy for a long time).
 
tomaldinho1 said:
I suspect this might be the lag from the old system to the new though. As @Orc says below newer signings of yours are on much less from reports.
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Well yeah, the new guys are not getting the £150K+ contracts but that doesn't mean "everyone is on £100K max with add-ons".

We've got the likes of Enzo, Nkunku, Sterling and Fofana all on £180K plus according to most reports so I can't really agree that "everyone" is on £100K max.
 
duffer said:
Well yeah, the new guys are not getting the £150K+ contracts but that doesn't mean "everyone is on £100K max with add-ons".

We've got the likes of Enzo, Nkunku, Sterling and Fofana all on £180K plus according to most reports so I can't really agree that "everyone" is on £100K max.
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Think they meant 100k without addons and boni
 
Marcus said:
Surely, for freedom, he must take the paycut. I think this is done now Chelsea are open to keeping him.
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I’d think he and his agent will see what the market has to say before deciding what to do - they’re not just going to jump at a lowball offer until they see what else in on the table.
 
Makes sense for all involved, really. Chelsea will be hard pressed to buy a winger for 25 million unless they are really going out there deep in scouting. Also, historically Chelsea have been far superior to United in selling players. If he doesn’t work out they can flog him for 20- 25 million even if he’s poor next season, or maybe even get a profit if he’s as good or better.

For Sancho, I’d imagine the Chelsea project is as good or the best of anything he’ll get offered. He ain’t going to Barca or Madrid or Bayern. If he passes on Chelsea - he could end up stuck on the bench at United or waiting for United to flog him to Fulham or something. If I was I’d be desperate to stay at least one more season at Chelsea. It’s a better team, and they are far better at selling players than United.

For United, it’s great, we’ll probably have far too many irons in the stove already and having this sorted is money in the bank. More time and effort on the rest of the dumpster fire.
 
duffer said:
Well yeah, the new guys are not getting the £150K+ contracts but that doesn't mean "everyone is on £100K max with add-ons".

We've got the likes of Enzo, Nkunku, Sterling and Fofana all on £180K plus according to most reports so I can't really agree that "everyone" is on £100K max.
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You can’t use the scrapers like capology with any accuracy though? Sterling the Athletic covered specifically as he has an old style contract, I think newer guys are way lower (base only) than what you suggest.
 
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Do opposition fans ever get bored of thinking about Man United every time there's football on.

I have no doubt they'll be talking about Man United after the champions league final too. Something related to Mkhitarian and Damian I expect.
 
FortunaUtd said:
Does the loan contract extend to the Club World Cup?
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Fortitude said:
I’d think he and his agent will see what the market has to say before deciding what to do - they’re not just going to jump at a lowball offer until they see what else in on the table.
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I would expect nothing less of him and his agent. But at least we know that his least favoured option is go back to United, so the GBP 25 million should be safe.
 
Adz_99 said:
Do opposition fans ever get bored of thinking about Man United every time there's football on.

I have no doubt they'll be talking about Man United after the champions league final too. Something related to Mkhitarian and Damian I expect.
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It is tiresome but they always prove the saying. Hated, Adored, Never Ignored
 
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