Jadon Sancho | Official: Loaned to Villa

[IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos]

Because we need to teach him a lesson. If we are going to be paying him the same amount whether it’s an early settlement or monthly until his contract runs out, I would prefer we let his career suffer. Letting him go early allows him to sign for free with another club. That club and him benefits. If clubs don’t want to pay for him, let them wait a year. If he doesn’t want to sacrifice his wages for his career, let his career suffer for a year.

But you’re talking as a passionate fan there, not as INEOS/The Glazers running a business. They’re not going to keep him to make him suffer if they can pay him off and save a good few million.

They’ll take the pragmatic, non-emotional decision.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

We need to accept the only way we’re shifting this cnut is when his contract is up. The best we can hope for is to loan him out for another season with a club covering a chunk of his wages.

 

[Pintu]

But you’re talking as a passionate fan there, not as INEOS/The Glazers running a business. They’re not going to keep him to make him suffer if they can pay him off and save a good few million.

They’ll take the pragmatic, non-emotional decision.

You save more in the future by showing ruthlessness now. This will discourage players puling this kind of shit on the club.

 

[TwoSheds]

But you’re talking as a passionate fan there, not as INEOS/The Glazers running a business. They’re not going to keep him to make him suffer if they can pay him off and save a good few million.

They’ll take the pragmatic, non-emotional decision.

Setting standards of conduct is a pragmatic decision.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

You save more in the future by showing ruthlessness now. This will discourage players puling this kind of shit on the club.

Setting standards of conduct is a pragmatic decision.

My thoughts exactly, a new precedent needs to be set, clubs will have to understand that they need to pay up the value United set for Sancho, and Sancho needs to know that he either accepts a lower salary or stay put (mostly likely in the stands), no more loan deals that brings 0 value to the club, if United is not benefitting, then no one else should.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

We need to accept the only way we’re shifting this cnut is when his contract is up. The best we can hope for is to loan him out for another season with a club covering a chunk of his wages.

Not a good option for the club, better is to have a hard stance, Sancho might reconsider if he knows he will have to sit in the stands for a whole season if he doesn't manage to secure a club that is willing to pay his fee to United, which will weaken his position when he wants to join another club on a free next summer, no one will offer him decent wages after a year with zero playing minutes, as of now, he had a decentish season last term with Chelsea ( top 4 in the PL and Conference League win), so perhaps someone might offer him a good salary if he transfers permanently this summer, if he waits a year, then his situation worsens and his options worsens as well.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Because we need to teach him a lesson. If we are going to be paying him the same amount whether it’s an early settlement or monthly until his contract runs out, I would prefer we let his career suffer. Letting him go early allows him to sign for free with another club. That club and him benefits. If clubs don’t want to pay for him, let them wait a year. If he doesn’t want to sacrifice his wages for his career, let his career suffer for a year.

It’s not about making his career suffer - we need to take the vindictive out of it.

However, I agree that we shouldn’t cover wages for a loan. He’s either sold, or he’s part of the wider squad - and clearly the reality is he comes and trains, and is unlikely to ever be picked. Those should be the options for him.

He left right at the end of the window last year, near the end, clubs and players get desperate. We may have to wait until the last minute on this one.

 

[Jimmy Greenhoff's Chest]

Option 3 is a non-runner. He’s in the final year of his contract; why would we pay him to rot in the reserves? Would be cheaper to reach a settlement agreement on the 12 months and let him go for free.

Personally, I think he’ll leave permanently for a fee of about £20-25m, but we’ll have to chuck him a slice of that to f*ck off.

That's what I think too. The tweet about Juve not covering his salary I think is lost in translation, and means they won't match it, so we'll have to make up any shortfall compared to what he gets now. End result we may get £20m in and have to burn £5 of it to cover his wages, but £15m net and getting him out is about as good as we can hope for.

 

[IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos]

You save more in the future by showing ruthlessness now. This will discourage players puling this kind of shit on the club.

I think you’re absolutely wrong on the concept of ruthlessness. Arsenal getting rid of Ozil, Aubameyang and Pepe in similar circumstances was ruthless. “We’re willing to pay you to leave, that’s how much we want shot of you” seems pretty cut throat to me. Obviously try and get whatever we can for him before 1st September, but if he’s still here like an unflushable turd, get him gone no matter the cost. Do you really want his mopey arse sulking around Carrington all season?

 

[TwoSheds]

I think you’re absolutely wrong on the concept of ruthlessness. Arsenal getting rid of Ozil, Aubameyang and Pepe in similar circumstances was ruthless. “We’re willing to pay you to leave, that’s how much we want shot of you” seems pretty cut throat to me. Obviously try and get whatever we can for him before 1st September, but if he’s still here like an unflushable turd, get him gone no matter the cost. Do you really want his mopey arse sulking around Carrington all season?

There has been some interest shown in Sancho though by clubs big enough to pay him a decent wage and he's younger than those guys were I think. Not sure it's quite the same situation.

 

[dinostar77]

Problem it seems with Sancho is he is asking for wages that are in excess of the highest paid player at juventus by a few million.

i think he will see out his contract and leave as a free agent.

 

[IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos]

There has been some interest shown in Sancho though by clubs big enough to pay him a decent wage and he's younger than those guys were I think. Not sure it's quite the same situation.

I’m talking from the position of him being here 1st September. Obviously if we can get him gone for some kind of fee, get him gone.

 

[TwoSheds]

I’m talking from the position of him being here 1st September. Obviously if we can get him gone for some kind of fee, get him gone.

Well yes but it's also about not sending a message that we'll just pay you off and someone can pick you up on the cheap too. Nothing stops us making Sancho train on his own or anything like that, although obviously some of the players who are on friendlier terms with him might not like it. I'd put him with the U21s personally.

 

[saivet]

Nothing from Juve apparently

Perhaps I'm clutching at straws but this is positive, reaching an agreement with United is the easier part of this deal - if all gets agreed with Sancho on personal terms then the deal happens.

 

[IRN-BRUno]

He's already spent the last 18 months out on loan, you just can't let him do that again because it sets a terrible precedent. Any player in future will know they can just see out the last years of their contract and get a nice loan move wherever they like at the end of each window, starting with Rashford.

It'll cost a bit of money but long-term we'll be better off for it. I'd even be telling him that we'll consider activating the extra year in his contract. See what offers you get after choosing to spend 2 years sat on your arse.

 

[Rolaholic]

 

[Lash]

I really dislike him but if no one wants him and we have to cover wages on loan maybe just keep and play him in one of the 10 positions when needed. We need options and I want to really see Amad at RWB this season, if we continue to play Maz and Dalot we may as well give up on creating chances.

Because he couldn't be worse suited for the 10 role in Amorim's system. He needs to just find a team that wants him and broker a deal. Maybe he's fine not playing and picking up a massive wage, that's also his perogative. He should be no where near the team or the squad, because he's proven he's not good enough. Chelsea paid us £5m just not to sign him.

 

[stefan92]

Because he couldn't be worse suited for the 10 role in Amorim's system.

Actually he looked quite good in the few games Dortmund played with him in a 3421.

 

[Lash]

Actually he looked quite good in the few games Dortmund played with him in a 3421.

He was actually in shape then. Physically, he is just either not that player any more or that doesn't trasnlate to the prem.

 

[buckooo1978]

doesn't make sense for Juve to pay anything for Sancho really does it?

had he went to Turkey I think we might have been offered a few million

 

[stefan92]

doesn't make sense for Juve to pay anything for Sancho really does it?

Sancho played about 50% of the matches for Chelsea, who reached the CL qualification in the PL and won the ECL. The season before he helped Dortmund reach the CL final and save their season by qualifying for the CL again.

He isn't performing on the superstar level he should be considering his wages but nonetheless he still is a decent player.

 

[Salfordlad70]

Let him rot for the year, pay him and let him train alone, no squad number or any coverage. Write the money off as another lesson learned never repeated, until the next bag of shite gets hyped.

I’ve got more chance of selling one of my turds on eBay than we have of getting money for this pillock.

I’ve got one log on sale and I’ve had more enquiries about that than we’ve had for Captain Shitbeard, although I suspect not all of them are genuine.

 

[Red_toad]

Problem it seems with Sancho is he is asking for wages that are in excess of the highest paid player at juventus by a few million.

i think he will see out his contract and leave as a free agent.

Not true, he's not asking for anywhere near Vlahovich wage. He's asking for 180k a week, Juve have offered 130k. I'd say United need to pay off the difference for his final year of contract to see if that shifts him. If not he's out on loan and subsidised wages, costing United money and contributing nothing (as usual).

 

[ElDiabloRojo]

I’ve got more chance of selling one of my turds on eBay than we have of getting money for this pillock.

I’ve got one log on sale and I’ve had more enquiries about that than we’ve had for Captain Shitbeard, although I suspect not all of them are genuine.

Jalog Santurd. Hope he is forgotten asap.

 

[Salfordlad70]

Jalog Santurd. Hope he is forgotten asap.

He needs flushing alright!

 

[buckooo1978]

Sancho played about 50% of the matches for Chelsea, who reached the CL qualification in the PL and won the ECL. The season before he helped Dortmund reach the CL final and save their season by qualifying for the CL again.

He isn't performing on the superstar level he should be considering his wages but nonetheless he still is a decent player.

yea agree and think he would do very well in a slower Italian league

my point is more about the lack of options for a sale, one year left on a contract, he is dead weight for United and we really need to shift him.

our options are a loan for a year where we might get part of his wages paid or we try and get a fee and top up his wages for the year.

if there were a few clubs interested we might get 5m-10m of course

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

The fecking nerve on this cnut to be demanding those kind of wages when he’s utter dog shit! We really fecked up big time giving him that ridiculous contract.

 

[lex talionis]

The fecking nerve on this cnut to be demanding those kind of wages when he’s utter dog shit! We really fecked up big time giving him that ridiculous contract.

We are run by clowns and charlatans, the mountebanks of football club owners.

 

[golden_blunder]

We are run by clowns and charlatans, the mountebanks of football club owners.

In fairness it’s not the current incumbents that gave him or Rashford those contracts

 

[Rossa]

He will ruin whatever he has left of a career at the top with that attitude. He’s not even close to top ten attackers in the PL, not even 20, most likely.

 

[lex talionis]

In fairness it’s not the current incumbents that gave him or Rashford those contracts

Ultimately all big decisions then and now were made by the Glazers, no?

 

[golden_blunder]

Ultimately all big decisions then and now were made by the Glazers, no?

They sign off financials I believe but the onus would be on Woody to convince them

 

[McTerminator]

Can’t we just give the buying club a £5m discount to offset his stupid wages and get shot!?

Appreciate £25m is already heavily discounted so even I don’t believe that solves it.

 

[Darlington Padgett]

He's already spent the last 18 months out on loan, you just can't let him do that again because it sets a terrible precedent. Any player in future will know they can just see out the last years of their contract and get a nice loan move wherever they like at the end of each window, starting with Rashford.

It'll cost a bit of money but long-term we'll be better off for it. I'd even be telling him that we'll consider activating the extra year in his contract. See what offers you get after choosing to spend 2 years sat on your arse.

He'll happily accept another year with the stupid wages Woodward gave him.

 

[lex talionis]

They sign off financials I believe but the onus would be on Woody to convince them

There's no question about that, and Woody was taken to the woodshed and now toils in infamy, but the Glazers had to sign off on these insane wages. At least Casemiro had a career at the very highest level under his belt, but Rashford and Sancho each only had one season of greatness on their resume.

 

[golden_blunder]

There's no question about that, and Woody was taken to the woodshed and now toils in infamy, but the Glazers had to sign off on these insane wages. At least Casemiro had a career at the very highest level under his belt, but Rashford and Sancho each only had one season of greatness on their resume.

The glazers aren’t knowledgeable enough to have said “are you sure about this? We’re worried about the long term impact”

 

[Battery]

I wonder if he is hoping an offer comes from Saudi or one of the oil leagues... probably thinking he can get 500k a week while phoning it in.

 

[dinostar77]

Its interesting, juventus one of the biggest clubs in the world want you. Italy, has great food, great weather,.great scenery and beautiful women.

There aren't many clubs in Europe left who you could play for and offer you a salary north of 200k a week and CL football most seasons. But for whatever reason you don't want to take a pay cut.

So you see your last year out on loan somewhere getting your full salary (for this example let's say it's 300k a week) with contributions from Utd.

So what happens next summer when your a free agent and you want to stay in Europe and continue to play in CL regularly?

Inter, AC, if interested in you aren't going to go north of 200k a week even if your on a free. You missed your chance to go to juventus.

Bayern? Slots are filled on the wings with better players. Dortmund? Can't pay you what you want.

Barcelona or Madrid? Not interested. Atletico? You're not a Diego Simone player.

So where does that leave you? PSG. Not a chance you'll get into that team, especially with Enrique in charge. More running off the ball than someone at Atletico! No club in turkey can afford the financial package.

PL ? You've burnt your bridges with Chelsea and City. Likelihood of Arsenal, Liverpool being interested are slim to zero. No one else in PL is going to give you the financial package you want.

So now what? Saudi Arabia?

Damn, maybe you should have taken that offer from Juventus last summer after all...

 

[Real Madras]

He's already spent the last 18 months out on loan, you just can't let him do that again because it sets a terrible precedent. Any player in future will know they can just see out the last years of their contract and get a nice loan move wherever they like at the end of each window, starting with Rashford.

It'll cost a bit of money but long-term we'll be better off for it. I'd even be telling him that we'll consider activating the extra year in his contract. See what offers you get after choosing to spend 2 years sat on your arse.

Problem with this is, I wouldn’t put it past him to say, yeah okay, do it. I’ll collect another £350k for another two years, happy days, where do I sign. He doesn’t care about his career now, otherwise his destination would be a footballing decision rather than what is quite clearly money orientated. We’ve really fecked up by buying this lad. 5 years or however long his contract has been, of collecting so much money, he’s absolutely set for life. Stolen a living from us, but it’s our fault for not really checking him out properly.

 

[pascell]

Sounds like Porto have dropped their asking price for Coincecao to €25m.

The Sancho-Juve deal will be dead in the water soon enough.