Jadon Sancho | Official: Loaned to Villa

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TwoSheds said:
Paying off Wan-Bissaka who generally was a good pro for us and honestly twice the player Sancho is, is not quite the same thing.
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It is though. In contractual and employment terms it just is.

You're making an emotional argument and need to understand that facts don't care about your feelings.

I see people (including myself) who offer logical arguments and emotional oskters just give them shit. Stating something logically doesn't mean you like it or agree with it. It just is what it is.

Sancho has a contract. People can grab their tasficles in anger and pout all they like, it literally doesn't matter. It's completely and utterly irrelevant. What's relevant is what he may be entitled to and what we need to do to get him off the books.

We are the ones telling him to leave. We are the ones essentially wanton gto break the contract that we also offered. He's obviously entitled to severence. You would be in your job, I would be in mine. That's just the reality of the situation.

This doesn't mean I like it. It doesn't mean I support Sancho or whatever else the next emotional child will hurl at me. It hsit means I'm not a man child and understand how the world works.

It's like telling people the sky is blue and they get upset and angry at you because they want it to be purple. It's not my fault the sky is blue. The problem is this is being discussed by a lot of people who just haven't had a proper job or are just thick. It's all arguments from emotion. His contract doesn't care that your feelings are hurt. Neither will the PFA, neither will his agents and ultimately, neither do execs at Manchester United who have no choice but to handle this in the best way they're able to. And that does not and will not be with Sancho just saying "yeah, sure, scam the contract you offered off, I'll do you a solid when you want me gone".

On what planet does anybody think anyone is going to do that? We want him out. He's entitled to payment. It's that simple.
 
stefan92 said:
He didn't do that at Chelsea, he didn't do that at Dortmund and he didn't to that in City's youth. He not even really did that at United.

He never was the most disciplined and intrinsically driven guy, that's for sure, but he also never really refused to work. He is just an idiot who tried to stand his ground in a pointless discussion, and that only happened at United.

So I don't think clubs will worry about him downing tools.
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You’re entitled to your opinion. I take the view that Sancho has absolutely downed tools more than once.

I don’t subscribe to the idea that he was in a bad place and was simply given months of time away. I think the young man has other issues, possibly in addition to possible mental health, which contributed to that situation.

I then watched him visibly down tools in the FA Cup final vs City.

The public battle of words with Ten Hag, as far as I see it, is another example and ultimately led to him choosing to stick to his guns, collect his money and no longer support his teammates.

He may not have ‘downed tools’ in the same manner at other clubs, but it’s pretty damning that at the age of 17 he had a contract stand-off and was subsequently banished from the pre-season tour with Pep Guardiola’s team in that summer. Additionally, Dortmund haven’t even sniffed around him despite being available for £25m, after cashing in on Gittens at £55m up, which seems slightly odd given the so called affection both ways.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
When you see the 17 year olds at wrexham in tears because they are not offered contracts, and then this guy wants 5 million quid for sitting at home and playing fifa, you realise just how scrwed up the football industry is.
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And just how utterly clueless the previous management team was to give him the opportunity to do that in the first place. :rolleyes:
 
Nogbadthebad said:
When you see the 17 year olds at wrexham in tears because they are not offered contracts, and then this guy wants 5 million quid for sitting at home and playing fifa, you realise just how scrwed up the football industry is.
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A perfect example of how capitalism does not actually reward hard work.
 
worldinmotion66 said:
Hard to disagree with this. Who’s your NFL team out of interest? I’ve been following the drafting process more closely in the last few years and it’s something I’d love to see adopted in England
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There's so much real football could learn from NA sports with regards to unpredictability, avoiding dominance etc but prolly not one for Sancho;)
 
Just get him out the club in the next 10 days, so United/Amorim don’t have to answer questions about the twat all preseason.

5M from Chelsea 20M from Italy
5M to Sancho

Just do whatever it takes, not having him attached to the club would be priceless.
 
Fox outside the box said:
It is though. In contractual and employment terms it just is.

You're making an emotional argument and need to understand that facts don't care about your feelings.

I see people (including myself) who offer logical arguments and emotional oskters just give them shit. Stating something logically doesn't mean you like it or agree with it. It just is what it is.

Sancho has a contract. People can grab their tasficles in anger and pout all they like, it literally doesn't matter. It's completely and utterly irrelevant. What's relevant is what he may be entitled to and what we need to do to get him off the books.

We are the ones telling him to leave. We are the ones essentially wanton gto break the contract that we also offered. He's obviously entitled to severence. You would be in your job, I would be in mine. That's just the reality of the situation.

This doesn't mean I like it. It doesn't mean I support Sancho or whatever else the next emotional child will hurl at me. It hsit means I'm not a man child and understand how the world works.

It's like telling people the sky is blue and they get upset and angry at you because they want it to be purple. It's not my fault the sky is blue. The problem is this is being discussed by a lot of people who just haven't had a proper job or are just thick. It's all arguments from emotion. His contract doesn't care that your feelings are hurt. Neither will the PFA, neither will his agents and ultimately, neither do execs at Manchester United who have no choice but to handle this in the best way they're able to. And that does not and will not be with Sancho just saying "yeah, sure, scam the contract you offered off, I'll do you a solid when you want me gone".

On what planet does anybody think anyone is going to do that? We want him out. He's entitled to payment. It's that simple.
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He's not entitled to payment at all. He's entitled to it if he stays, he's entitled to the payment he can negotiate if he goes which doesn't have to be the same amount. Wan Bissaka left the club on good terms hence amiable negotiations, Sancho does not fall into that category. He may well get his money but it will only be because we're desperate to get rid of him, not because he's entitled to it.
 
It’s just matter of priorities. The top priority is to remove this problem from the club, permanently, this summer, in a way which doesn’t harm the club’s regarding PSR.

We’ve got about £15m in amortisation, and he’d probably take another £12m or so in salary before the end of his contract. The deal being discussed covers his amortisation and his golden f**k off. We’d still be £12m better off.

Sure, paying him £5m or whatever will grind our gears, he’s delivered almost nothing and cost a fortune, but forget about that and focus on the priority: he’d be gone.

Revenge or spite isn’t going to deliver anything for us, it isn’t going to set any precedents other than continuing our laughing stock image. If we have to pay him off, do it and shrug it off.
 
daba said:
That’s just not how the world or football works sorry. The club is the party wanting to break the contract, and Jadon has every right to request the remainder of his contract or at least % of it is paid out on termination of the contract. Jadon has more leverage and less to lose here unfortunately, and he’s the type of character to accept sitting in the reserves for a year so we can’t even threaten him with that. The only way out of this is his next club matches or improves his salary, or we pay him off.

I hate Jadon as much as the next Utd fan, but these are the consequences of the bad management through the Woodward-Murtough era. We even had to pay off Wan-Bissaka last summer. What I do agree with is we need to find a way out of this mess, as otherwise every player will copy and run their contract down to force us into submission/pay off.
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He has a right to ask for whatever he wants. Doesn’t mean the club has to give him a penny.

Of course taking that stance has potential consequences, and may scupper a transfer fee.
 
Fox outside the box said:
On what planet does anybody think anyone is going to do that? We want him out. He's entitled to payment. It's that simple.
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You aren’t correct.

Sancho is entitled to get paid whilst at United. He’s not entitled to anything if he leaves the club, we don’t have to ‘pay him off’ or make up his wage - we are not in any way compelled to do that.

However, that may mean he doesn’t leave, and we don’t receive a fee for him, so the club needs to weigh up the implications and make a decision about whether to ‘agree’ to any demands, negotiate or offer him nothing.
 
Ish said:
That’s surprising and I don’t believe that range - I don’t think Sancho says no to a guaranteed 180-200k. The story at the time was that Chelsea offered him a base of around 100-120k with lots of incentives which, if reached, could get him to around the loan wage mark (180k or so). Not sure if Chelsea fans can confirm.
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Ya I agree there’s no way that’s true
 
Boy Wonder said:
I may be being idealistic but there is no way we should be paying him a severance package. If we do, you can expect the same from Rashford, Antony and Garnacho and we’ll end up retaining our reputations as being pushovers in the market.
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Yes, agreed. This sets a terrible precedent and any player we offload in future will be expecting the same if they're to take lower wages at their new club
 
We’re all sick and fecking tired of this bellend. €5m would be but a small price to pay to launch this motherfecker off to Turin. The optics of reneging to his whims are not good, but the alternatives are much worse.

The day I see him taking the photo on a new shirt, a proper transfer done deal, will hit like an incoming.
 
Juve bid


Juventus have made a new offer to Manchester United, the club that holds the player's rights. For Sancho, the Bianconeri have put on the table an offer of €10 million plus €5 million in bonuses.
 
TheMod said:


Juventus have made a new offer to Manchester United, the club that holds the player's rights. For Sancho, the Bianconeri have put on the table an offer of €10 million plus €5 million in bonuses.
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Wouldn’t that be a PSR loss?
 
Take whatever we can get, negotiate a payoff and let's move on from this waster.

I get that we want to be tough in the market and of course that's important, but we need to move these guys on who are dragging the rest of the squad down. So long as we don't make any similarly awful mistakes (you'd think it'd be tough to beat Sancho), we shouldn't have this much of an issue with pay offs going forward.
 
TheMod said:


Juventus have made a new offer to Manchester United, the club that holds the player's rights. For Sancho, the Bianconeri have put on the table an offer of €10 million plus €5 million in bonuses.
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Not nearly enough, especially when you account the €5m Sancho is asking for to cover his wage reduction.

Just when you think there’s a light at the end of this tunnel, it’s another train coming in the opposite direction.
 
NotoriousISSY said:
You’re entitled to your opinion. I take the view that Sancho has absolutely downed tools more than once.

I don’t subscribe to the idea that he was in a bad place and was simply given months of time away. I think the young man has other issues, possibly in addition to possible mental health, which contributed to that situation.

I then watched him visibly down tools in the FA Cup final vs City.

The public battle of words with Ten Hag, as far as I see it, is another example and ultimately led to him choosing to stick to his guns, collect his money and no longer support his teammates.

He may not have ‘downed tools’ in the same manner at other clubs, but it’s pretty damning that at the age of 17 he had a contract stand-off and was subsequently banished from the pre-season tour with Pep Guardiola’s team in that summer. Additionally, Dortmund haven’t even sniffed around him despite being available for £25m, after cashing in on Gittens at £55m up, which seems slightly odd given the so called affection both ways.
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Sure, this depends on your definition of "downing tools" and you might have a different one than I do.

Also (as sad as this is) Sancho's time at United is kind of a footnote of his career for me - following the Bundesliga closely, I saw him being brilliant for four seasons for Dortmund before even moving to United and since then he spend a lot of time on loan as well. It sets a different first impression for me than for you (I assume this, might be wrong of course).
 
I would push for guaranteed 15M if possible. If not then take it and let him go. Just having him out of the team is a win.
 
BBC GOSSIP

Juventus have agreed a 20m euros (£17.3m) deal with Manchester United for England winger Jadon Sancho, who is negotiating a severance package with the Old Trafford club before any move. (La Stampa - in Italian)
 
DiMarzio also mentioned the Conceicao deal is unrelated to Sancho's and has no bearing

 
Red_toad said:
No that’s the fee we need to cover his PSR, so United can’t sell him for less.
So last minute loan deal it is :smirk:
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We don't need any fee to cover his book value. He's on his final year, it's getting written down to zero one way or another.
 
I hate Italian teams so much :lol:. Honestly I would still snap accept this and get Sancho out ASAP.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
An unwanted player on high wages who hasn't done anything in years and is also going into his final contract year? I'm not sure what people were expecting.
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I was hoping for £15m. Not really the £25m that was previously reported. £8m is a big PSR dive no?
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
I was hoping for £15m. Not really the £25m that was previously reported. £8m is a big PSR dive no?
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See my other post above. Any fee is a net positive from a PSR perspective because his book value is going down to zero over the next year whether he stays or leaves.
 
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