Cue loan to Dortmund in late Aug with us putting in 87% of the wages.
Jadon Sancho | Romano: Juventus make enquiry
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
It’s annoying, but if they even paid half the wage, the 5 mil we received from Chelsea pays for the other half and we never have to think about him again.
Then snap their hands off and get this absolute cnut of a footballer off our books. Utterly detestable little turd.
Sancho back to Dortmund where he showed his best form almost makes too much sense.
For that reason I'm certain it won't happen and he'll have a cost little London loan somewhere again.
Then probably retire next summer.
He had chances at the club, he was given plenty of holidays and long breaks. He was given a chance to go on loan twice. He had a chance to move to Chelsea, a team he supported as a child.
He has shown at every step that he doesn't care about anything but himself. He's potentially a great player, but he has to move. So yes, the message is that if you come Man Utd, you show you can at least put a shift in. If you're toxic, you get removed. Simple, also we have had him 4 years now and he has been a rotten egg throughout.
Why would he lower his wage demands when we were the ones giving him that contract? Obviously I want him gone, but treating him like an outcast looks very bad.
No chance of being reintegrated into the squad? Amorim might be the first United coach who wants to play a system that suits Sancho, Rangnick's short spell aside.
It's not about his talent (although he's been underwhelming playing in England to say the least), it's his character. He's burnt every bridge possible.
No. He doesn't want to be here, and we don't want him here.
He needs freedom away from Old Trafford
It's either that or we keep him as a very expensive paper weight for the year.
Can we just terminate his contract ?
There isn't a system that suits Sancho. He doesn't have the minerals for the top level. Complete nothing of a player.
This is what people failing to see.. he doesn't have the physical or mental attributes to compete at the highest level.
You don't want to pay the money that would cost
What a royal waste of a transfer fee and salary. Can't stand his smug face.
Being a footballer isn't like most normal jobs. It can't just be looked at through the lense of work, as it's also a professional competitive sport and in that arena it isn't acceptable to not try your best to help your team compete. If you're not doing that, you're letting down the manager, your teammates and the fans, who all have a stake in winning. I think it's even specifically contractually obligated to perform to the best of your abilities.
So there has to be some way to limit a player with a bad attitude who won't leave from stinking up the place and affecting the morale of the team in the process. Seperating them from the first team seems necessary to me. What the poster suggested doesn't seem dehumanising. The player could just move on or sort out his attitude. You have to want to play games, play well and win games to be a professional footballer. They earn so much money it's the least they can do.
Wasn't the issue at Chelsea rather that his output isn't high enough? If you watch his highlights from this season, he beats defenders for fun and is easily able to stay ahead of them. Not Doku levels of explosiveness but sufficient. His dribbling stats aren't exactly fantastic but he's still among the 10 best EPL players or so for both progressive carries and successful dribbles.
If he has the technique he has, and you think he has the mental and physical attributes needed, how do you expect him to get so low output as to not be worth a €15m outlay for Chelsea, now that they have seen the whole package?
Chelsea were prepared to pay a £25 mil fee and over £100k a week wages for him.
I could understand if you were on about Shaw or Mount when fans have a go at them for being injured, but both have done their jobs to the best of their ability when physically able. Unlike Jadon, he deserves to be given a hard time, but I don't think he cares and nor should you!
People get engineered out of jobs when they're not up to it, it's a fact of life. Pretty much every part of life will opt you out if you don't put in the effort.
I'm in favour of this
This is an absurd take because it fails to see the difference in context between competitive sports and productive labour, between entertainment industry contracts and the conditions of workers in normal employment.
If you are a music artist and sign a contract for €20m on the condition of playing a 20 concert tour in the USA, you won’t have the ‘right’ of paid sick leave negotiated by unions, employers and governments in that area. And it would be absurd to expect it as some sort of human right.
Jadon Sancho has signed a contract which secures him a payment from Manchester United Football Club of around £50.000.000 for adhering to certain specified demands over a five year period. That does not make him an ostracized worker. All it does is give him certain duties to show up for training and matches he is selected for. At that, he is on a par with 17 years old who have signed their first pro contract. And he has no more right than them to be selected for first team squads or trainings. If the head coach deems that the team is better set including an unfinished and eager Jack Moorhouse in training and match day squads to someone with more current ability but who might spread discontent or undermine team morale, they are in their full right to do that.
Yep, all the stats which are good on a 5 a side pitch and game not 11 a side.
So after having best carries and dribbles, it leads to nothing.. which is the problem.
The fact that Chelsea did not sign him for 20m, shows you how bad Sancho is as a player.
That's a question you should ask them, not me
But I have eyes and they tell me that he is able to beat EPL defenders consistently. And since eye tests aren't entirely reliable, I take a look at the stats and they back that up. So whatever the reason may be, it is not that he lacks the athleticism to make it in England. Personally, I believe that his off the ball movement isn't good enough currently. He didn't score many easy chances and that usually means that he struggles to get in the right positions. So tactical aspects. His ball progression and playmaking is decent by the looks of it but not his effectiveness.
More than anything, it shows that he sits on an insane wage.
And no, those stats are very relevant. Not only for 5 a side but in general. Without those, no goals.
But he has a right to professional training sessions as a professional player and can demand that. Not necessarily the first team, that's true, but at least high-level team sessions. I don't know for England, but in Germany such cases went to courts which ruled in favour of the player so far as they needed to be included in proper team m sessions, not only in individual sessions.
I cannot see him going on loan. Only way he isn't sitting around next season is if Utd pay him up fully and he successfully mugs another team.
He wanted 200k... insane wage is it for a top 5 winger?
Right... now you said that without that no goals? how many assists did Sancho have?
He is not capable of playing at the highest level... I have seen players like Adel Tarabt be good at dribbling, Bolasie, Zaha and they are all better than Sancho.
It's not about beating defenders, it's what you do after. And Sancho is all forplay, but no actual penetration. He went for months without actually shooting at goal.
Agree to disagree.
Technically he wouldn’t be off our books as he’d still be contracted to us and we’d be paying 87% of his wages
I never want him to see him in a United jersey .
We would have to hand over £10 million in wages to do that which very rarely happens
If the player agreed yes.
But why would he agree?
Yep, would probably be the absolute worst case scenario.Technically he wouldn’t be off our books as he’d still be contracted to us and we’d be paying 87% of his wages
Only remove a tiny percentage of the wages and he's still on the books.
He is in his last year... no point accepting a loan deal for him.
If anyone offers a loan and not pay his full wages, we should reject it and make him rot for a season.
If anyone offers a loan and not pay his full wages, we should reject it and make him rot for a season.
I wish my employer would punish me by giving me a year off on full pay.
He will get paid regardless, if clubs like Dortmund come in and ask for 85% pay... we need to show them where to go.
Also, we wont pay Sancho fully anyway... I give him 3 weeks before he turns up late, etc... where we can use the contract against him and deduct some percentage of wages.