Jadon Sancho | Romano: Juventus make enquiry

simonhch said:
the best personal trainers to work on my weaknesses and turn them into strengths.
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If you want to succeed in anything - you try and improve your strengths, not your weaknesses. Example - no matter how hard you try, if you're Sancho, you're not going to become a lot faster.
 
Bepi said:
It means we are just waiting for you to pick one among Vlahovic, Douglas Luiz, Nico Gonzalez, Weah, Kelly in return and make the accounting numbers work. :lol:
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It’s a great idea and one I would be onboard with. Not just from a PSR/financial perspective but fresh starts for players can sometimes rejuvenate their careers.
 
simonhch said:
I think we need to buckle up and probably prepare for the reality of a loan for him with partial wages covered - maybe 50% plus a loan fee at best.
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It's exactly where it's going. I'm not buying these £25m rumours at all.
 
It's juventus... they were known of being stingy. Wouldn't surprise if its only 10m.
 
elmo said:
I’m more excited for Rashford to leave. At least with Sancho, we know his contract ends after next season. Rashford still has 3 more years…
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He's likely getting loaned anyways. Was hoping for some kind of a swap deal with Watkins but that seems unlikely at this point.

I guess that makes no sense from our psr point of view either.

Anyhow, back to sancho. Seems this one should go through. There is no chance he gets a better club than Juve, at this point of time in his career.
 
zenith said:
He's likely getting loaned anyways. Was hoping for some kind of a swap deal with Watkins but that seems unlikely at this point.

I guess that makes no sense from our psr point of view either.

Anyhow, back to sancho. Seems this one should go through. There is no chance he gets a better club than Juve, at this point of time in his career.
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He arguably did with Chelsea
 
Castia said:
Pay him 5m of the reported 25m fee as a bonus to feck off and get this deal done. We get 20m from Juve plus 5m from Chelsea and his wages off the books it’s a good deal for all involved
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If Juve offer us 25m I'd even consider paying him the 5m Chelsea gave us for him plus another 5m from the Juve offer just to get rid.
 
Poor Wilcox unable to shift big name Sancho.

Woodward would have got that sorted already: he would either 1) sold him for nominal, book value or 2) extend Jadons contract for any interested parties to come up with a serious offer.

Presume Sancho is currently working extra hard on his fitness and stamina to be ready for a big game next season. With Garnacho not on the same page with Amorim and expected to leave, Ruben is going to have a close look at Jadon in the first couple preseason weeks. Will he use him as a 10 or right wing-back so Amad could be pushed towards more attacking positions?

Just sobering up so consider this post stupid.
 
Brand Nubian said:
Poor Wilcox unable to shift big name Sancho.

Woodward would have got that sorted already: he would either 1) sold him for nominal, book value or 2) extend Jadons contract for any interested parties to come up with a serious offer.

Presume Sancho is currently working extra hard on his fitness and stamina to be ready for a big game next season. With Garnacho not on the same page with Amorim and expected to leave, Ruben is going to have a close look at Jadon in the first couple preseason weeks. Will he use him as a 10 or right wing-back so Amad could be pushed towards more attacking positions?

Just sobering up so consider this post stupid.
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Glass of water and a lie down buddy.
 
simonhch said:
I think we need to buckle up and probably prepare for the reality of a loan for him with partial wages covered - maybe 50% plus a loan fee at best. Then he leaves for free next summer. Anything better than that, like a full sale, would be a huge win for us given the circumstances. Even a full sale where we pay out a portion of his remaining contract to him, would be a win. Although it would sicken me to have to do that.

The bottom line here is that while I am repulsed by how Sancho has performed and managed his application, performance levels and conditioning since he arrived at the club, the only thing we can do as a club is reflect on what role we played in this situation. After all, that is the only thing you can control....your own actions. You can influence others but you can't control what they do. The amount we paid for him was excessive, but the real problem here was the scale of the contract we gave him and with so little of it being incentivized. If anything good comes of this, it should be a complete revision of the salary structure, with a hard cap on the fixed/guaranteed wages, even for the truly top tier players. Everything else should be performance, appearance and objective based. I have no problem paying a player 500k a week if they have earned 250k a week in bonuses through unbelievable performances. That means we've both been successful. But when you give a player 300-350k a week who is at the start of their career, and in Sancho's case a player that's really achieved nothing of note in the game yet - aside from a couple of great seasons in the Bundesliga - I don't think you can be surprised if you end up short circuiting their drive and ambition, especially if they find life in the PL much tougher. Adversity requires character and determination to overcome. If half your salary is based on you displaying both those things, you'll more than likely dig deep and find them. But if 90% of your salary is guaranteed - and exorbitant - no matter how you perform, then a young lad with already too much wealth and privilege is likely to just start coasting. And that's what happened. And now because of the preposterous salary, you can't even shift him off, and given he's been revealed to be weak of character - he's not motivated to find a fresh start anywhere else, not until the gravy train has made all it's stops. A disgusting situation, for which we (as a club) should focus on our role in creating.

Personally, I don't get it at all from the player's perspective. It's an alien mentality to me. A real loser mentality. Something we should have uncovered in our due diligence before he was signed. If I was Sancho I would have the best personal chefs, and the best personal trainers to work on my weaknesses and turn them into strengths. I'd have spent every summer doing endless hill sprints and strength training to build up my physicality and pace, and done whatever it took to be as close to the best players in the league as I could be. I just don't understand the mentality of a player like that who has the world at their feet at a massive club like Manchester United, and they just start coasting and not giving a shit. This kid even had several months off to get his head straight. I'm sensitive to mental health concerns, not least because I have come from a very abusive background, but that to me felt like some seriously weak shit when it came out, and in hindsight it feels even more pitiful. He just lacks character and any semblance of mental fortitude. Upon his return I would've expected a player ready to give his all for a club that supported him through "not being in a good place", but instead he was like a wet flan. Chubby, slow, and pitiful every time he took the field. We knew things were bad under the Glazers, but this signing is the perfect indictment of the lack of football knowledge and attention to detail that the previous administration let this transfer go through. We as fans, well most of us were baying for this electric right winger that would complete our team. But there were a few posters in here (I wasn't one of them unfortunately) who were saying that there were many red flags about his signing. That he'd had disciplinary issues at Dortmund, being late to training for example, and that he was physically weak and quite slow in a way where he wouldn't be able to come even close to replicating his performances in the PL. Most of us didn't want to listen, it was peak transfer muppet time. But those posters were right, with limited information. The club, with all it's contacts and experts etc., either didn't see it, or ignored it and sanctioned one of the biggest contracts in the league for this loser at just 21 years old. That's an institutional failure.

I truly have an epic distaste for Jadon Sancho. He has to be in my top ten most disliked players ever list at this point, just because I think the way he has played and applied himself since joining the club is truly pathetic. He's a little boy pretending to be a man. A little boy with a massive bank balance. I genuinely can't wait for him to leave, and for us to not ever have to pay him another penny. He is shameful. I won't go as far as saying I hope he completely flops wherever he goes, because I'm just not that petty, but I will say I am completely ambivalent about what his future career prospects are, and I won't feel even one iota of concern if his career completely implodes after he's left United. I will know that it would be through his own lack of application, coupled with delusions of grandeur. A toxic and disastrous combination.
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All of this effort to see him sold and not go on loan.
 
Castia said:
Pay him 5m of the reported 25m fee as a bonus to feck off and get this deal done. We get 20m from Juve plus 5m from Chelsea and his wages off the books it’s a good deal for all involved
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Exactly what I’ve been saying, we owe Dortmund around £14 million still so give Sancho the £5 million we got from Chelsea to leave so after everything we are on paper making £6 million profit plus saving around £12 million a year in wages.
 
Reports from Correro say he's willing to take a paycut at Juve and that we are indeed considering the Douglas Luiz swap offer
 
I'd definitely take Luiz - would've have liked him post villa. If the contract is right could be a great addition to the squad for a couple of seasons and we do need better numbers in midfield
 
Red_Aaron said:
I'd definitely take Luiz - would've have liked him post villa. If the contract is right could be a great addition to the squad for a couple of seasons and we do need better numbers in midfield
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Whilst I think he is a good player, I think we should avoid this swap. Just looked at his injury history last season, its something we don't want... injuries every 6/7 games.
 
romufc said:
Whilst I think he is a good player, I think we should avoid this swap. Just looked at his injury history last season, its something we don't want... injuries every 6/7 games.
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Last season was the only season he had injuries though. He had 30 plus league appearances for Villa in each of his 5 seasons there. I don't know what exact injury issues he had at Jive, but if they weren't the same recurring issues, I'd take him.

There would be no fee involved (assuming it's a swap) and his wages will be less than Sancho. Even if he flops here it won't be a negative. He's been more than decent in the PL for Villa so at worst he'd be a decent backup option.
 
Rather than Juve dictate which scraps they would like to give us, is there anyone at their club that we actually want that we could propose in a swap + a bit of cash deal?

I know we'd rather not spend money, but surely we'd prefer to end up with a player we want, rather than a player Juve doesn't want?
 
King7Eric said:
Last season was the only season he had injuries though. He had 30 plus league appearances for Villa in each of his 5 seasons there. I don't know what exact injury issues he had at Jive, but if they weren't the same recurring issues, I'd take him.

There would be no fee involved (assuming it's a swap) and his wages will be less than Sancho. Even if he flops here it won't be a negative. He's been more than decent in the PL for Villa so at worst he'd be a decent backup option.
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I get that... the problem I have is we dont have good history with players.. Mount wasn't injury prone, barely played.

Players like Licha were not injury prone, barely played in the last 2 years.

We don't do well looking after players.

I get people want to take him to get rid of Sancho, if that was the only option fair enough, the first priority should be to try and get 25m fee though.
 
Take the swap, absolutely. Fills a gap in midfield (not perfect, but a decent addition) and fecks Sancho off once and for all.

I expect Luiz would be saleable in a year if he didn't work out.
 
romufc said:
Whilst I think he is a good player, I think we should avoid this swap. Just looked at his injury history last season, its something we don't want... injuries every 6/7 games.
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And in the games that he did play, he only played a full 90 minutes 4 times in all competitions. Of his 27 appearances last season, he only started 6, and according to some he's been a bit crap.

Rather take their lowball offer and get Sancho's wages off the books rather than end up with an injury plagued player who doesn't improve us.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
And in the games that he did play, he only played a full 90 minutes 4 times in all competitions. Of his 27 appearances last season, he only started 6, and according to some he's been a bit crap.

Rather take their lowball offer and get Sancho's wages off the books rather than end up with an injury plagued player who doesn't improve us.
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Exactly, I rather sell Sancho for 15m than get another dud that we need to look to sell in 12 months time...

We need to make sure we bring in players that will improve us, not just sit on the bench and become squad players.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
And in the games that he did play, he only played a full 90 minutes 4 times in all competitions. Of his 27 appearances last season, he only started 6, and according to some he's been a bit crap.

Rather take their lowball offer and get Sancho's wages off the books rather than end up with an injury plagued player who doesn't improve us.
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A lot said the same about Mazrauoi but he’s been class. If Luiz can keep fit he’s the sort of midfielder we could do with.
 
Brand Nubian said:
Poor Wilcox unable to shift big name Sancho.

Woodward would have got that sorted already: he would either 1) sold him for nominal, book value or 2) extend Jadons contract for any interested parties to come up with a serious offer.

Presume Sancho is currently working extra hard on his fitness and stamina to be ready for a big game next season. With Garnacho not on the same page with Amorim and expected to leave, Ruben is going to have a close look at Jadon in the first couple preseason weeks. Will he use him as a 10 or right wing-back so Amad could be pushed towards more attacking positions?

Just sobering up so consider this post stupid.
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Keh?
 
Maybe he just didn't like Italy all that much? Might've been more psychologically affected which out him off his game.
 
romufc said:
I get that... the problem I have is we dont have good history with players.. Mount wasn't injury prone, barely played.

Players like Licha were not injury prone, barely played in the last 2 years.

We don't do well looking after players.

I get people want to take him to get rid of Sancho, if that was the only option fair enough, the first priority should be to try and get 25m fee though.
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What about Mazraoui? I believe Ruben has much better system of keeping players away from their red zones. This is why we often see CB's being substituted in the last 20 minutes.
 
henrysquire said:
Maybe he just didn't like Italy all that much? Might've been more psychologically affected which out him off his game.
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Also moved with his gf at the time, who had joined the Juventus women, and eventually split so probably a bit disillusioned with life there
 
OleGunnar20 said:
Take the swap, absolutely. Fills a gap in midfield (not perfect, but a decent addition) and fecks Sancho off once and for all.

I expect Luiz would be saleable in a year if he didn't work out.
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I'd rather Juve just gave us the £25m, which could then be spent on a better player than Luiz.
 
Vidooq said:
What about Mazraoui? I believe Ruben has much better system of keeping players away from their red zones. This is why we often see CB's being substituted in the last 20 minutes.
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He did do well with Mazroui tbf, everyone was very sure before he came he is injury prone.

It is a bit frustrating that alot of our players dont seem to have it in them to play 90 mins regularly though.. they do end up breaking.
 
The thing with Douglas Luiz is that we know he’s proven in the premier league, has settled in England before and has performed well. Maybe he just didn’t adapt to the lifestyle and football culture that is very different to that which he is accustomed.

His injuries are a concern though as it’s muscular, hamstrings and thighs. Reports suggest he may have been carrying an underlying intramuscular edema condition, contributing to frequent relapses.

But he’s at peak age career wise and I don’t think it’s a terrible option if we can’t get what we want for Sancho. In terms of PSR, these swap deals can be useful if they’re structured as separate deals. He’s also dynamic enough to play alongside Bruno and has shown that he can contribute defensively and offensively
 
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