Apparently their GK is quite good.
Luiz is 27, not old but we're already spending big on Cunha & Mbuemo, both 26 or soon to be. I would look at a younger CM.
Jadon Sancho | Romano: Juventus make enquiry
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
Luiz is 27, not old but we're already spending big on Cunha & Mbuemo, both 26 or soon to be. I would look at a younger CM.
God so 26-27 is already on the way out now is it? Give me strength.
I think both teams are looking at getting rid of players surplus to requirements. Very much doubt any deal is doable where we get actual money from them.
I liked Luiz at Villa, anyone know why it didn't work out for him at Juve? Injuries?
Once he’s leaves the club I’m not bothered whether it’s a swop or not
Would rather Vlahovic tbh.
Yeah that's what would concern me - he missed 20 odd games through injury last year... I really think injury record/being available for selection should be a big thing when looking at new signings
Very good point, probably one of the only times a player with a troublesome injury record has improved under us.
Maybe Luiz needs a change of scenery. If he moved there with his then gf, they've split, and he's had injuries, maybe needs a change of pace. Thought he was good at Villa.
I’d take Luiz. Really liked him at Villa. Hopefully his injuries last season were just one-offs.
That's the ideal but I'm not sure we have much to put towards a central midfielder. It seems very much like striker is next on the agenda if Mbeumo gets over the line, which will be funded by sales. We should be thinking about somebody like Baleba really, I just can't see the budget stretching that far.
Trading Sancho for Luiz is trading a short term problem for a potential long term problem with a 50/50 chance he comes good. Anything other than a loan for Luiz is a big risk in my opinion. At Villa he was very good, at Juve he was very bad (as well as often injured). You dont know which version you are getting, and if he flops you'll find yourself with yet another overpaid player on a longterm contract you'll struggle to get rid of, and you already have 6 or 7 of those.
Sobriety went out the window when you suggested Ed would have sold someone for nominal value.
Extend contract, protect value!
We are getting nothing from Sancho, the we can get after this deal is a subsidised loan, so it's best we get a PL proven midfielder, even if he is injury prone he will give us something more. The upside is that he could eventually overcome his injury issues and contribute to our cause either as a starter or squad player.
I don't think it would make sense to take Luiz. We don't have a problem with quantity in midfield, we have a problem with quality. Its debatable, at best, if he improves on what we have.
Bear in mind we still have to pay the guy's wages, so even if this is a way to get Sancho out the door, I'd rather just drop the transfer fee than take on a financial commitment for a player we don't use.
If we had a buyer for Casemiro lined up, then that might tilt things. But we've had barely a sniff of that happening.
Bear in mind we still have to pay the guy's wages, so even if this is a way to get Sancho out the door, I'd rather just drop the transfer fee than take on a financial commitment for a player we don't use.
If we had a buyer for Casemiro lined up, then that might tilt things. But we've had barely a sniff of that happening.
Luiz is a better player than Ugarte and he has more legs than an aged Casemiro. If we have to do a swap deal I'd take him over Vlahovic due to his huge wages. It could be like jumping from one problem to another.
Juventus are just attempting to get rid of one of their problems and handing it off onto us. Just take the money and let us go after players we actually want.
We have both problems; quantity and quality. For 2 positions we have Bruno, Casemiro and Ugarte who are natural on those position. Mount can't play it and Mainoo is who knows what these days. Is he no10? No6? No8?
Luiz go straight in first 11, imo. Not ideal signing but not too bad either. He is good all around midfielder.
He’s only 25/26, and clearly has it in him. A swap for the fraud that is Sancho is something we shouldn’t turn our nose at.
Doesn’t mean we still can’t buy another midfielder.
A Bruno-Luiz double pivot sounds like a disaster. Bruno being guaranteed to start in one of the 2 CMs positions (even though I disagree he's natural on the position, I think he's not suited at all at CM in a double pivot but it's just my opinion) is not ideal but that's how it is. You need a high-intensity high-volume defensive-minded player next to Bruno and that's not Luiz. I think Luiz, if he finds his Villa form, would be a Bruno backup, and if he can't find his old form, would be another burden to carry for 4 or 5 years.
This is not about 'being on the way out', but what do you think the landscape will look like in a few years?
Cunha, Dalot, Mount, Martinez, Maz, Onana, Shaw, Bruno are all 26 or above, Case & Maguire will probably leave at the end of 25/26 season.
Take the cash and run.
The players juve are offering are far far below our requirements
The players juve are offering are far far below our requirements
We have young cms for the future, we need some to deliver today.
I would say that's debatable, but even if he were better, he isn't good enough to be our long term pick in that position. So come the end of next season when we lose Casemiro, we still have two more midfielders left who aren't good enough for the first team. One is fine, they can be a bench backup/rotation option. But two means we're stuck trying to sell one of them. And possibly blocking our transfers until we do, like this season.
I'm far from convinced Luiz is better, but if he is, its incremental, and creates a headache in a year's time when midfield becomes the priority area.
Only if you overpay him and give him a long term contract.
His recent record should be factored into both and a realistic compromise made.
He has 4 years left on his contract at Juve, he'll try to negotiate a long term contract just like every player. If you pay £25M for him (well you dont really pay it but that's the value the club put on Sancho), then at the very least you'll offer a 3 year contract.
I dont know anything about him outside of the pitch and it depends on the personality of the player but you've seen it with your own players, not every player is willing to take a paycut.
I disagree. If we’re looking to press high up the pitch, and with 3 centre backs providing additional defensive solidity, Douglas Luiz would be a great partner for Fernandes or Ugarte. He has press resistance and progressive passing ability that Ugarte struggles with but also physical presence and dynamism that Bruno lacks. One of his strength is his tackling. If we’re planning Bruno as a central midfielder, we have to cover his physical deficiencies with his playing partner. Luiz is a younger, more mobile Casemiro with worse defensive positioning/discipline.
In my opinion we should be building the midfield around Mainoo though. I woul have sold Fernandes years ago or set up the team to play with him in a midfield 3 where he can see the game in front of him but also have others around him doing the brunt of defensive work. I’ve never liked him as a #10 because his long passing on transitions is one of his biggest strengths
I agree Luiz would be fine alongside Ugarte but I dont like the fit with Bruno, even though he's more defensive than Bruno he doesnt have the intensity and physicality that Ugarte or Casemiro bring as pure DMs. I can't imagine a Bruno-Luiz pairing against the midfield 3 of Liverpool or City. And the Luiz you're talking about is the Villa version, we dont know which one you're getting.
I really like Mainoo but I feel like most fans here dont really rate him, they dont think he can function in Amorim's double pivot. I dont really understand this reasoning as I think he's the type of well rounded midfielder you want in a midfield 2.
Take the cash, and no Luiz.
Never liked him, and for some reason his little dance in Varane's face has stuck with me. Also we should be freeing up salary and make signings that could help us long term. I'd rather give more time to Kobbie and others.
Never liked him, and for some reason his little dance in Varane's face has stuck with me. Also we should be freeing up salary and make signings that could help us long term. I'd rather give more time to Kobbie and others.
So are we? I’m sure we’d take the money if possible but are they actually offering us cash? His weekly wage seems far more manageable, so it’s not really a risk from a finance point of view.
Fabulous five.
All of them will be here. If we're lucky we'll be paying off Sancho to leave. We're heavily hamstrung by the wages they're on.
Malacia, Antony , garnacho arent on crazy wages.
Rashford & Sancho will be the issue
Serious question, who are the good CMs you're referring to?
Seen some rumours about Juventus trying to palm off one of their players for him but I’d rather just take a reduced fee than that, we’re so, so close to getting rid of a load of problem players, last thing we need is to bring additional failures in.
I would take Luiz in a swap for Sancho. We need to strengthen in central midfield and also need a striker and keeper (latter a nice to have).
Who else are we going to get a player who has PL experience, international experience with Brasil for 25mil ? Rather have him than go into the season with no other Central Midfield signings.
Who else are we going to get a player who has PL experience, international experience with Brasil for 25mil ? Rather have him than go into the season with no other Central Midfield signings.
Just nonsense.