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Everyone seems obsessed with getting him and he has had a fantastic couple of seasons with Dortmund. But how has he performed against the big teams, e.g. against Bayern or top teams in the CL. He's never impressed me for England. Could be be a flat track bully? I don't know so maybe someone can enlighten me
He does very well against Bayern
 

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Personally I’d be amazed if we don’t get this one done.

I think the importance of the attitude and type of person is underestimated in a transfer like this. Ole clearly cares a hell of a lot about the attitude of the players he’s looking to bring in. You only have to look at the players shipped out to see that.
Sanchez is obviously a clown and lukaku it seems got too big for his boots.

Sancho is not only a very gifted footballer, but you can see the kind of rapport he already has with rashford and could likely build with greenwood and martial.

for me, signing sancho would be a huge deal and goes a long way to building the kind of team that ole is looking for. I think we will get this done!

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You are correct @Random Task Utd were/are in discussion for him. This was confirmed by tier 1 journalists that Utd were negotiating, although it seems via a 3rd party. The price Dortmund want is 120meur. Utd thought they had the upper hand as they believed Sancho only had 2 years left on his contract, however it all came out that actually he has 3. As you said it is a sellers market and Dortmund have been very transparent that they will do a deal if the price is met.
You wouldn't believe this could be true until you've seen the video of Ed paying 70 quid for a chocolate bar. It's in this thread somewhere.
 

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Personally I’d be amazed if we don’t get this one done.

I think the importance of the attitude and type of person is underestimated in a transfer like this. Ole clearly cares a hell of a lot about the attitude of the players he’s looking to bring in. You only have to look at the players shipped out to see that.
Sanchez is obviously a clown and lukaku it seems got too big for his boots.

Sancho is not only a very gifted footballer, but you can see the kind of rapport he already has with rashford and could likely build with greenwood and martial.

for me, signing sancho would be a huge deal and goes a long way to building the kind of team that ole is looking for. I think we will get this done!

SanchON
This. Also we aren't linked to anyone else anymore bar Regullion and a window of VDB and himself would be so underwhelming and could easily lead to us stagnating that it is hard to believe the club could be that naïve again.

We have to stay toe to toe with Chelsea at the very least and well we are going to need some good signings to do that.

Why waste all summer in this transfer if it wasn't going to get done?
 

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I still think this one is done (touch wood) and it's being held up by ultimately bullshit/trivial reasons. Utd have the money that Dortmund want. It's just that Utd don't want to give all of it this year (even though they could) so they can spend it on other targets this summer

Sancho would be top priority, then a centre-back would be 2nd in my opinion. After that it's just enhancements for this season. Thiago Alcantara and Sergio Regulion would be nice additions (particularly the former) but they're not the end of the world if we don't get them.
 

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Personally I’d be amazed if we don’t get this one done.

I think the importance of the attitude and type of person is underestimated in a transfer like this. Ole clearly cares a hell of a lot about the attitude of the players he’s looking to bring in. You only have to look at the players shipped out to see that.
Sanchez is obviously a clown and lukaku it seems got too big for his boots.

Sancho is not only a very gifted footballer, but you can see the kind of rapport he already has with rashford and could likely build with greenwood and martial.

for me, signing sancho would be a huge deal and goes a long way to building the kind of team that ole is looking for. I think we will get this done!

SanchON
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Everyone seems obsessed with getting him and he has had a fantastic couple of seasons with Dortmund. But how has he performed against the big teams, e.g. against Bayern or top teams in the CL. He's never impressed me for England. Could be be a flat track bully? I don't know so maybe someone can enlighten me
When was the last time Dortmund as a team did good against Bayern?
 

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Last time I was here I was at page 700-something, has there been any concrete news for the past 100 pages?
 

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Last time I was here I was at page 700-something, has there been any concrete news for the past 100 pages?
Does 175 pages of “today is sancho day” and some handbags being thrown around because some people can’t take the ‘pressure’ anymore count as concrete news? Then yes.
 

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If that was the case the club would have come out and denied our interest as we usually do.
Club might not deny Sancho interest because it's a player we like just not at that price. It's also wise to keep our options open for the future.
 

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Well, as certain as someone who hasn't the faintest idea what's going on can be, which is still more than Mark Goldbridge ;)

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Yeah, I’m sure! (that guy’s full o’ the brown stuff).

What will be will be. And yet it’s the not knowing that kills you.
 

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for anyone who wants to understand our finances right now and how it affects transfers

 
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You wouldn't believe this could be true until you've seen the video of Ed paying 70 quid for a chocolate bar. It's in this thread somewhere.


 

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So at this point the negotiations seem to have gone like

Ed: So how much is He, Mick
Zorc: You know how much, Ed.
Ed: And that includes the amp?
Zorc: No. That does not include the amp.
Ed: Shit, Mick. I thought it included the amp.
Zorc: It doesn't include, the agent fees or the amp. It's not supposed to include me getting the hump with your questions. You want him, you buy him.
Ed: What else do I get?
Zorc: A gold-plated Rolls Royce, if you pay for it.
Ed: Don't know, Mick. Seems expensive.
Zorc: Seems...this seems to be a waste of my time. What school of finance did you study Ed, It's a deal, it's a steal, It's the sale of the f@#king century. In fact, I'll keep him.

So Dortmund are not selling cheap as the think we've got Liberia’s deficit in our sky rocket, they want feel the fibre of our Fabric
 

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Well I expect that if someone is worth 100m he should make a difference.
Well, that's your expectation. It may or may not become true.

Point is Dortmund as a team has been underwhelming against Bayern. So not really a scale to measure his talent.
 

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Everyone seems obsessed with getting him and he has had a fantastic couple of seasons with Dortmund. But how has he performed against the big teams, e.g. against Bayern or top teams in the CL. He's never impressed me for England. Could be be a flat track bully? I don't know so maybe someone can enlighten me
I didn’t actually watch it, but didn’t he have a great performance against Barcelona?
 

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Because the reasoning for it isn't convincing one bit. So if they don't rate him, surely they must have some great evidence for it?

2 exceptional seasons. And all of us know he's not the finished product. That's part of the reason why we want him. He's only 20 and was as good as he was as a 20 year old. I feel like, you guys on the other hand are looking at him like a finished product and that his price reflects that fact. His price reflects a 20 year old who has had 2 exceptional seasons as an 18 and 19 year old in a top 5 league, with great technical ability, dribbling potential, and decision making.

Players that age often don't get sold for a price reflecting the finished product. That happens for older players because they don't have much room to grow. They're the finished product. For younger players, they're often sold with their potential being a factor in the fee. It's the same reason why if somebody wanted to buy Greenwood off us, you would not sell him for a price that reflects what he is right now, because down the line he could be worth much much more than that.

How much more should a €120m 20 year old show to prove he's worth that money? Genuine question. And I've pretty much stated on here that I do expect a drop in performance, but I do expect him to improve in the next 3 seasons. Look at Torres who City bought. He was a lot cheaper because there was way more uncertainty based on the evidence he's shown in the past 2 seasons (less minutes at the top level, and far less end product).

Some people were labeling Havertz overrated based on his performance against Bayern in the cup final. It's pretty silly to make a comment like that over a match or two. I would probably respect that opinion a little more if I saw that kind of comment during a Bundesliga season thread in which Sancho was performing well, and there was something you didn't like. But I'm not surprised it happened after this match.
Sancho is a good player, no doubt. But a 120m player? Definitely not. I actually expected Man Utd to prioritise LB and CF. LB because neither Shaw nor Williams are up for the job, and CF because United still haven't replaced Lukaku with a proper CF. After that it's another solid CB (Upamecano?). Sancho is definitely not a priority and not worth the asking price and if United pay 120m or anything close to that it will be the worst bum job in the business in many years. There must be a reason United are the only club in for him at that price, even the desperate Barca and his out-of-sorts parent club Man City are not interested.
 
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Sancho is a good player, no doubt. But a 120m player? Definitely not. I actually expected Man Utd to prioritise LB and CF. LB because neither Shaw nor Williams are up for the job, and CF because United still haven't replaced Lukaku with a proper CF. After that it's another solid CB. Sancho is definitely not a priority and not worth the asking price and if United pay 120m or anything close to that it will be the worst bum job in the business in many years. There must be a reason United are the only club in for him at that price, even the desperate Barca and his out-of-sorts parent club Man City are interested.
Because no team has this money currently except City/PSG. Supposedly he doesn’t want to go back to City and Pep ruled it out.

Madrid wanted VDB but won’t spend 39 million, they were also interested in Havertz who Bayern also wanted but couldn’t afford this year either.

If he doesn’t come here this summer, next summer there will be a lot more interest.
 

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Everyone seems obsessed with getting him and he has had a fantastic couple of seasons with Dortmund. But how has he performed against the big teams, e.g. against Bayern or top teams in the CL. He's never impressed me for England. Could be be a flat track bully? I don't know so maybe someone can enlighten me
This is his match history from last season

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/346300/Fixtures/Jadon-Sancho

He was man of the match in the German super up vs Bayern, scored a very nice goal away at Barca in a 3-1 defeat. He was good in the second game against Inter and in the 3-3 with Leipzig.

He hasn’t turned up for England yet though.

 

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Tumble weed ...I think VDB might be all she said.

praying I’m wrong but there’s just not enough smoke on this one, silence is deafening
 

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For all those saying Sancho is not a priority. Neither Ronaldo nor Rooney Were priority signings. Sometimes you just have to strike when the iron is hot.

Personally I think he is a priority signing. How many years has it been since we had a top class winger on the right ffs?
 

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For all those saying Sancho is not a priority. Neither Ronaldo nor Rooney Were priority signings. Sometimes you just have to strike when the iron is hot.

Personally I think he is a priority signing. How many years has it been since we had a top class winger on the right ffs?
If we don’t sign Sancho you need to come out of retirement mate.
 

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Personally I’d be amazed if we don’t get this one done.

I think the importance of the attitude and type of person is underestimated in a transfer like this. Ole clearly cares a hell of a lot about the attitude of the players he’s looking to bring in. You only have to look at the players shipped out to see that.
Sanchez is obviously a clown and lukaku it seems got too big for his boots.

Sancho is not only a very gifted footballer, but you can see the kind of rapport he already has with rashford and could likely build with greenwood and martial.

for me, signing sancho would be a huge deal and goes a long way to building the kind of team that ole is looking for. I think we will get this done!

SanchON
Great post, i don't want to derail the thread but i actually don't think lukaku had a bad personality. I just think he was one of those who would air his opinion of other players in public. Some managers (mourinho) would be ok with this. I think ole is looking for people who can se, well Jones is really bad but its not my problem and won't air it in public. That will create a better atmosphere in the squad as even if someone sucks, its not their problem. Its the managers and the leaderships issue. I like that approach.
 

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Because no team has this money currently except City/PSG. Supposedly he doesn’t want to go back to City and Pep ruled it out.

Madrid wanted VDB but won’t spend 39 million, they were also interested in Havertz who Bayern also wanted but couldn’t afford this year either.

If he doesn’t come here this summer, next summer there will be a lot more interest.
What about free-spending Chelsea? They were never interested either.
 

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Sancho is a good player, no doubt. But a 120m player? Definitely not. I actually expected Man Utd to prioritise LB and CF. LB because neither Shaw nor Williams are up for the job, and CF because United still haven't replaced Lukaku with a proper CF. After that it's another solid CB. Sancho is definitely not a priority and not worth the asking price and if United pay 120m or anything close to that it will be the worst bum job in the business in many years. There must be a reason United are the only club in for him at that price, even the desperate Barca and his out-of-sorts parent club Man City are not interested.
We do need more competition up front but someone who is comfortable on the right is a glaring, gaping hole in the squad. Still, a new CF would be welcome, of course but he’d have to be good and likely expensive.

I wouldn’t be against another LB but we have looked shakier through the middle so CB is more pressing, if we can get the right one, I think.

I’m not sure I agree that Sancho is not worth £120m but either way he is one of the best in his position and, assuming we need a RW, I am dead against spending a single penny on any player who can’t consistently compete for a place in the team (I mean a Utd team that is serious about challenging the top two).

As an aside, even if we do get Sancho, I’d still be keen to get Grealish. We don’t need him but I think he’d be great for us.
 

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Sancho is a good player, no doubt. But a 120m player? Definitely not. I actually expected Man Utd to prioritise LB and CF. LB because neither Shaw nor Williams are up for the job, and CF because United still haven't replaced Lukaku with a proper CF. After that it's another solid CB (Upamecano?). Sancho is definitely not a priority and not worth the asking price and if United pay 120m or anything close to that it will be the worst bum job in the business in many years. There must be a reason United are the only club in for him at that price, even the desperate Barca and his out-of-sorts parent club Man City are not interested.
We are fine in CF position. Martial scored 23 last season despite missing a couple of months and not being on penalties. He is also arguably our best player so I do not see us spending big there, especially with our best academy product in 3 decades being a natural CF.
 

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This is his match history from last season

He was man of the match in the German super up vs Bayern, scored a very nice goal away at Barca in a 3-1 defeat. He was good in the second game against Inter and in the 3-3 with Leipzig.

He hasn’t turned up for England yet though.
I can compile the best moments of any player, including MOTM performances, that's not difficult at all. Sancho is getting way too much attention, accolades, higher valuation and even popularity than his real level deserves. He is not a must-have for United, definitely not at that price. There are other more critical priorities for the team.
 

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My take on this is that i've lost all faith in us signing the fecker, no way are we getting it done this late in the window.
 

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Is this the most lifeless transfer thread ever? It's basically a corpse that's being dragged along like dead weight something akin to a cheap knock-off of Weekend at Bernie's.
 

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Tumble weed ...I think VDB might be all she said.

praying I’m wrong but there’s just not enough smoke on this one, silence is deafening
Yeah but there was very little noise about us getting VDB until, out of the blue, it was basically done. I think we’ll get a couple more but Sancho is apparently so expensive that no one should be surprised if we can’t get it done. Maybe he’s worth it but it’s such a huge fecking slice, I can understand the hesitation.
 

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Is this the most lifeless transfer thread ever? It's basically a corpse that's being dragged along like dead weight something akin to a cheap knock-off of Weekend at Bernie's.
Except Bernie was dead.
 
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