Overstating the new country, city, house bit. He literally lived in Manchester a few odd years ago
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Just bumped into Rashford in Aldi. He was buying a pair of flip flops and a power drill from the middle isle. Anyway, said that the 18th is gonna be JD day.
They also knew Sancho wanted out more or less from last season, it's hardly a surprise; if not this year the next for sure. Haaland if he continues like this stays for max 2 more seasons.
Seems to me like Dortmund would be better served to invest in young German talent that would have some sort of connection to the club, more or less like Ajax, and for a team that would have love for the club. Dembele, Sancho, Haaland etc see them as nothing more then a stepping stone to get game time that they wouldn't otherwise get at bigger clubs and when the time comes, they want out. Haaland even has a release clause ffs so he doesn't have to go through the sagas that Dembele and now Sancho are going through. This strategy of developing young foreigners is good for business but not so great for building a team to win the biggest trophies imo.
I would also point out that this 90million capital was in March, we have had another 6 months of COVID since so are finances may be substantially worse. Based on those figures we could just about afford to pay the figures upfront, but we would be leaving ourselves very hard up for cash and considering we are about to go into another season without any fans that don't seem the cleverest idea.Hey matethanks for the breakdown.
So in a Sancho scenario of "120m euro up front"
and we have
There would be "upfront cost" of 108m pounds (potentially), but the accounts would report this as (potentially) 108 million pounds over a 5 year contract? Also accounting for what we've spent on VDB, it's (potentially) 60 million pounds cash in hand with 150 mil in revolving credit?
So hypothetically, is an upfront fee even possible or it would all come down to a structured deal?
The next quarterly report is due soon, that will give us a better picture of where we are financially but I think fans need to get a bit more realistic that is likely we simply don't have the money to be breaking transfer records right now.
Sancho may know more about England, the country, Manchester, the city, and Manchester United, the football club more than any human on earth. Fair enough.
My only problem is with the OP's assertion (@SteveW) that if Sancho's transfer goes through in the next few days, the "timing will have been basically perfection". That is absolutely not true.
Anyone know who Sancho supported as a kid?
Chelsea.
Chelsea.
I recently heard him speak about this and he claimed that he didn't support any particular team, he followed top players more so.
Any updates after last night's influx?
We're getting Julian Draxler instead?
Timing couldn't be better if sign him in the next few days.
If we had signed him earlier in the season, his last club games would have been in mid-june. And then no training/practice games, other than the internationals.
He wouldn't even have been able to meet his new team till yesterday.
So literally, no pre-season, no training just a few days of training with the team.
We all do stupid stuff as kids.
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Daft cnut could have had a mains powered pizza oven as well if only he'd been willing to look under the pile of industrial grade leaf blowers and fish pickling kits.
he grew up in London? When did he move to Manchester?
Yes, when he was 14 and joined City from Watford.
Very interesting, thank you Zehner.
I admit I didn't know the majority of that, and generally thought of Dortmund as "the German team that play good football and find and develop talents", and I was unaware of the taunting going on, that's why I found it surprising that they would feel animosity towards United (it's still not Liverpool level, but I get what you were trying to say).
This explains the posturing, the deadlines and the briefs to the media, but I still find it surprising. One would expect a top club to be run with more maturity, especially as part of the lure to players they sign is that its a stepping stone to bigger things (that includes Halaand, Sancho and Bellingham who we were/are interested in). They go because they get more playing time and less pressure, so it's an ideal environment to develop.
I'm not too clued up on their sources of revenue either. If they are reliant on player sales there's no need to make a scene, all the hard balling could be behind closed doors, and like you said, there's no need to put themselves in a position where they'll lose face if they do. No need to make negotiations a zero sum game.
If they feel they don't have to sell and are looking for exposure and headlines though, it could make sense in the short term.
When he went to City. 2015
We already know this
Do we? The last 20 pages or so have been about agent fees and personal terms being agreed already.We already know this
Last time Sky said this, VdB was signed in a day or 2.
Watford, City, BVB, United all by age 20. Demonstrates real desire, ambition and adaptability: like a very successful immigrant possesses.
Bodes very well for his successful integration into Manchester United.
came through Watford academy. City saw and poached the talent. Guardiola was playing funny games with first team integration/progression so he pulled a Pogba and turned himself into a superstar at Dortmund, now supposedly coming back to England to the best club in the country.
They accepted the minority complex as you called it when they allowed for a release clause in Haalands contract.
What? That’s literally the story that came yesterday that there’s been progress on the agent fee and personal terms. Cooper repeating it this morning gets turned into some kind of new breaking headline by those awful aggregator accounts. They are actually banned.
This is absolute nonsense. How was he supposed to all the bolded stuff when we weren't even training up until today?? They were all off on holidays. He'd have been left trying to train alone to maintain fitness. Instead he got a full preseason at Dortmund with plenty of matches. Preseason is actually hugely important. A good preseason can make or break a players year. It should give him an advantage over other players in the squad.
If you think having an extra few mornings free to search for houses is more important than that I don't know what to say to you. Also, it's his home country and a city where he's already lived and made friends. He already knows several of the squad from England and living in Manchester previously. He plays video games with about 10 of the squad. He knows them. It will be an easy adaption.
I get the impression you just don't like being corrected and came up with a dumb justification instead of looked at what I was saying. Also you seemingly cant read. I never said anything about leaving it to the end being ideal. I said if we sign him now or in the next few days it will be close to ideal. Donny's move was timed absolutely perfectly. Full preseason with Ajax while we were on holidays and there at Carrington for the first United training of the new season. Perfect.
No deal is ever dead. If we offer a fee Dortmund will accept, it’ll go through. Simple as.
Exactly. Also United were on their summer break so he couldn't have done anything with them anyway had he joined 3 weeks ago. He'd have been chilling in London waiting for the England games and doing a bit of training alone. Instead he's had a full preseason and played several friendlies.
Exactly.
No, the story yesterday was that agent fees and personal terms are no longer a problem. They have been agreed. "Sorted", if you will. This one suggests they haven't been agreed yet, only that there has been progress.
Who's next?
As mentioned by others City acquired him from Watford's youth team.
How can there be progress in the fees and terms if they're still not agreed? So we offer an amount and they say no thats not enough, but you're getting closer.
No it wasn’t. It was that progress has been made.
I just meant that over 900 pages there should be more than enough opinions on him to be able to judge
Thought you weren't supposed to put the content from Telegraph articles here
Well like most are saying, pointless agreeing terms if the club aren't going to bid for him, knowing what BvB want. I'm pretty certain they will pay the 120m they want but are trying to bring this down. Hence why I thought some talk of a bid going may have happened.
Oh I wasn't aware of that? Some people were having trouble as it had a paywall which is why I posted it.
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