Should deploy him as box to box winger.
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He's in Germany. A country well known for their phsyical regime. Would love to be wrong about his mentality, but i'm in doubt.
It's harsh. But when guys like Cristiano ser the bar, thats how it is. Give me 1 mill a week, and I would never turn up overweight. Footballers are spoiled.
Werner is probably going to Liverpool. But reading today that Liverpool apparently aren't interested (probably bollocks) got me thinking that I would actually prefer him to Sancho. Werner can play anywhere in the front three including CF (I dont think Sancho has played CF regularly). He is also less than half the price despite being a much bigger goal threat. In the unlikely scenario that Werner would be willing to come to us, does anyone else prefer him to Sancho? He would be much much cheaper and I think a better all round signing (strengthens both RW and CF meaning we wont also need another striker when Ighalo's loan finishes).
If there was a slight chance - we should sign them both - and we would have our attacking players sorted for the next 5-6 years….Rashford, Greenwood, Martial, Werner, Sancho.... ;´)
It wont happen - but that would be great
these united fan channels have been a source of so much misinformation this period. They've "confirmed" a transfer for grealish, agreed fee for Sancho and now are telling everyone the 140m which was withdrawn a while ago is for transfers
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That would be ideal. Sancho is the better winger that's for sure. But if we can only sign one, I would go for Werner if he is available. Not going for him would be the worse deal for our squad. He would fit into our fluid front three much better than Sancho.
Martial - Rashford - Werner
Rashford - Martial - Werner
Martial - Werner - Rashford
Werner - Martial - Rashford
Any of those could happen at any time during a match. Would be a total nightmare. And that is before bringing Greenwood into the picture.
This season rashford and Fred have performed better than Pogba ever has for United. He had a great run when Ole signed which I'd say bruno has matched but Bruno has bettered his workrate.
Every time i see pogba in the middle third of the pitch I wince because he loses it a lot in that position and it makes me uncomfortable.
I'd be happy with selling Pogba and bringing in Sancho (maybe grealish as well), in fact I'd be ecstatic.
Grealish, Greenwood, Rashford, Martial, Ighalo, Sancho, Bruno. That's a talented, flexible and hard-working group of attacking players with star quality.
Imagine chasing a game - would be similar to the fergie days (not nearly as good) when we chased a game (scholes,giggs, ronaldo, tevez, rooney, berbatov)
Rashford----Ighalo-----Greenwood--Sancho
-----------------Grealish-----Bruno-------------------
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I mean the one you quoted is an aggregator of reports from the media...
Ighalo over Martial?
I’d sub martial for ighalo in last 10-20 as he brings something different.
If we hadn't put him on 100k a week, his ability of player would easily go for 25-30m.
Well we all know our Lingard but seriously, he got into the England squad and played in a WC. We should be able to get some quid for him and I think he'd fit there pretty well. Bundes is a less defensive focus, less demanding league and usually with much more space. He'd do well there imo.
And the best thing is we won't have to see the guy in an United shirt anymore, and the ridiculous wages we're currently paying him. And we get Sancho
But we'll no doubt do well to get about 10m, or the price of a top league 1 striker.
Fair
I knew you had bad eyesight but wow!
Werner would not be as fluid in the front 3 as Sancho would tbf.
We have seen Rashford play from the right and he is no where near as effective so why not sign someone who is a specialist.
Werner is not a winger, we need a winger. Rashford can play inside forward.
no chance. Sancho all day long. if we sign Werner then we still need to add a RW anyway, so we're not saving any money.
Strange decision considering Martial is miles better
The things you have to read here ffs.
this season Pogba has been mostly injured but there go some statistics from last season:
ManUtd
Most goals: Pogba
Most assists: Pogba
Most chances created: Pogba
7th man of the match awards
But sure Rashford and specially Fred have outperformed him and Bruno, who’s played like 5 games here, better him.
Educate yourself.
I wouldn't say they've performed better than Pogba ever has here but I would say Fred has been more consistent this season than Pogba in any season for us
Fred has improved a lot this season, but being honest he has nothing on Pogba, he is disciplined and better defensively but on creativity and goal threat there’s a huge difference between him and Pogba.
I know we are excited because Bruno started great here and Fred went from a bump into a good player, but there’s a reason Pogba is always rumored to play in the better teams in the world, he’s quality.
I can understand some dislike him because of Riaola and his brother comments etc, but saying there’s a more talented player in the squad than him is just false.
Pogba's the most talented player we have but I'm not saying Fred is more talented or the better player. I'm saying Fred is more 'consistent' this season than Pogba in any season for hs
There is this misconception about Pogba.
Go look at the stats, he has been putting good numbers even before Ole came. Last season was his best ever season.
With Pogba in this team, we are a feared team, he can produce magic at any given moment. I know Bruno has excited alot of fans and Fred has looked good but lets face it, Bruno will get found out and Fred lacks the quality Pogba has.
Has Pogba ever been consistent in a season?
I would argue that Werner is actually more fluid because he can also play up front. Sancho is the better player on the right and has the higher ceiling as a winger, I like him a lot. But Werner is more lethal. He rotates into RW regularly for Leipzig and that is where he gets most of his assists from. And Rashford is also very effective from RW, he regularly rotates into that position or finds himself there during counter attacks. Remember the elastico assist against Bournemouth last season?
I just think that Werner fits in more fluidly. When he finds himself on the right he usually finds a good ball into the ball to feet, which suits our counter attacking style perfectly. And if Rashford finds space on the right, Werner can dash into the middle and be very effective from there. With Sancho there, the defence knows he will most likely stay out wide (although that doesnt seem to matter to him at the best of times), but with Werner anything can happen with that front three. Much more dynamic.
But the best part of the deal is that we wouldnt need to sign another striker. If we sign Sancho and Rashford or Martial gets injured again during a busy part of the season then we would lose most likely lose steam in all competitions without a reliable striker (they cant start every game in all competitions without cover). Werner gives the squad a lot more flexibility
I would love both ideally. But if Werner was available to us but we could only sign one and we choose Sancho, I would feel like we have missed out on something special there. He is less than half the price and I feel fits our squad's needs better at the moment. And we can always come back for Sancho at another time. I doubt his price will inflate much past what it is at the moment.
I will not compain if we buy Ighalo and Sancho to strenghten our squad next season. But buying Werner alone for less money is the obvious solution for me. All very hypothetical of course. I would imagine that working with Klopp is the bigger draw for him atm and there is no reason they wouldnt be in for him.
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Pogba is inconsistent in the sense that he can be a bit sloppy, or a match winner in a matter of minutes. He is never the worst player on the pitch though like some make out.
I'd rather have a player like him though that is capable of a moment of magic (which he generally has at least once a match) than somebody who just plods along passing sideways and generally being invisible.
We have the water carriers on Fred and Mctominay now, We need the flair of Pogba/Fernandes to create and win us matches that we'd usually draw.
A player playing 6.
16/17 - 9 goals 6 assists
17/18 - 6 goals 12 assists
18/19 - 16 goals 11 assists
Now find me a 6 who plays box to box who has those numbers?
He hasn't played as a 6 for that time though? Also the stats don't really elude to consistency. A terrific player in talent, but last season for example but he only really performed head and shoulders above others for 3 months.
Fair enough, there are good points. Werner would be a signing what would be good for us, but I feel Sancho is the one we need.
We have gone too many years with no real RW. I understand Werner and Rashford have the ability to drift however; that is from a ST and LW position. Changing player positions every other game wouldnt help consistency. With Sancho at least our players will know what position they will start most games in.
The one thing about Werner is, I am not sure he wants to come here, he definitely wants a Liverpool move.
I find it funny that one of Pogba's major criticism - inconsistency is now being defended
The 2 seasons under Jose he was a 6. Last season, him and Jose had a falling out and was dropped in favour of McTominay. How many of our players have been consistent for a whole season in the last 4/5 years anyway? probably DDG under LVG and Jose.
I think the off field antics with Pogba distract him for parts of the season also.
When you look at the names in that formation you typed, replace Grealish with Pogba and it's better. It just is.
Grealish is a good player. Pogba has proven himself to be capable of being of the best players in the world in his position. See his time at Juve and for France.
Plus it's not that I don't want Grealish, I just don't want him at the expense of losing Pogba.
Pogba's goals and assists are the best in the squad when fit (and that's when he's playing 'poorly' as many like to put it.)
As this squad becomes the finished article and we have real quality over the pitch we will see the best of Pogba. His stats and trophies prove it.
If you mean consistent as Fred has put 7/10 performances rather than Pogba who has put some 10/10, 9/10, 6/10 etc I agree but I think we can agree its easier for a defensive player to have consistency than an attacking player.
I read in the past that Werner has been a fan of us during the SAF days. I am just responding to the recent reports that Liverpool arent willing to pay for whatever reason (I know its most likely untrue, the news just got me thinking). We are much more attractive with Fernades in the squad, maybe he would prefer us if were are in the Champions league and he had no better offers. In that very unlikely case, I just feel that Werner makes us a permanent threat in all competitions. He adds strength in depth in CF, can rotate RW with James, Rashford and Greenwood and would free up the budget to sign other players. And he would probably consistently hit 20+ goals and get more assists than he does currently when he plays with Martial and Rashford. I just think he fits perfectly.
I would also love Sancho. The kid is special, no argument here. I just think that a 20 year old Sancho would be worth similar to a 21 year old Sancho so there is no harm waiting another year. With money being an issue with the 'rona and all I think that it could benefit us to be shrewd here.
Werner is brilliant on the right, and so is Rashford when he has found himself there. Werner plays mostly on the left for Leipzig, but I have personally watched him destroy teams from the right. He drifts to the right and either finds Poulsen in the middle or scores himself. He has played some of his best games for them on the right. Sancho would contribute a lot to this squad. But I think that Werner would contribute more, especially when the injuries and squad rotation start to become an issue. Something in me just likes him better than Sancho and would prefer to see him in our squad during the course of a season.
But this is the Sancho thread, and I am going to stop derailing it.
Most drama: Pogba
Most reports wanting out: Pogba
Most snide comments from agent: Pogba
Educate yourself.
Jesus Christ you lot manage to hijack every single thread with Pogba and Martial talk 
Please take that nonsense to the loads of other threads dedicated to that, mad how even threads on players on other teams devolve into potshots and debate over the 2
Please take that nonsense to the loads of other threads dedicated to that, mad how even threads on players on other teams devolve into potshots and debate over the 2
The credit withdraw is there for a lot of reasons, but primarily its to allow the club to remain financially competetive and most importantly: Financially stable in the long run. It's primarily a 'fix it before it gets broken' kind of move. No one knows what's going to happen when autumn rolls again if this thing is going to flare up and how bad it might get. But this credit gives the club a great amount of flexibility if anything were to happen again.
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Stick to Sancho related discussions lads.
Stick to Sancho related discussions lads.
It would be the fecking footballing slavery debacle again.
Eh? No he wasn't. Jose played him more as an 8 and with freedom to advance forward. There's a reason he bought Matic, you know.
Also we've had such a vast turnover of players under three drastically different philosophies, I don't think it's a good reason to say "oh the others aren't consistent so relative to them Pogba is very consistent". I Think McTominay has been really consistent for us, I think Maguire has developed brilliant consistency after a tricky start to the club and I think Fred has been consistent pretty much all season. Under LVG I think Young for example was extremely consistent and so was Martial for his debut year.
Pogba has had great stats in the business end of the pitch and that reflects his supreme talent. But its fair to say he too has had prolonged patches of inconsistency by his standards. Under Jose and earlier this season when fit. Whether that's down to injuries or Jose being shite in handling him is a seperate debate.
Back to Sancho though, I think he will certainly join us this summer. His contract is ticking down, would be surprised if Dortmund held firm and left it with just a year to go. They have a lot of creativity in their side without him too and can no doubt find good value in replacing him.
Reports from who? all those reports are gossip from the media. Mino Riaola is a pain in the ass, and Pogba's brother is just craving for attention, but not once has Pogba stated anything disrispectful about the club.
I dont know about you, but Id choose every damn day a player that tops all individual statistics and brings "drama" over regular players.
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