90m is a good price actually. You may argue it’s still expensive in this coronavirus market, but don’t forget Joao Felix went to Atletico for 113m last summer. Sancho, IMHO, is definitely better talent, and should at least worth 120-130m under normal market. So 90m is already at least 25% discount.
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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Hunch haha, but I definitely do think Sancho will happen in the coming weeks, probably late July.
G5, who is apparently the most reliable ITK on r/muppetiers, said this earlier today: "Got word that a deal had been accepted, all terms on all parties involved, on one of the targets with Ed's team." 4 days ago they said this: "Sancho, Grealish, Vdb, and Rice are being worked on by, or directly adjacent to Eds team so expect a LOT of the usual press malarkey." Coincidentally, ITK 4, who is the other one out of all the ITKs there that people seem to hold in high regard, apparently said this within 5 minutes of what the other person said: "Clubs spoke and reached direct verbal agreements. Official signatures and legal are left." Another ITK also said the legal team has been pulled off Sancho, suggesting the paperwork for a bid is pretty much done.
Now this could all be bullshit, but those two ITKs do apparently have a good track record.
I agree with every word you have said. Be careful though, someone will call you a WUM for saying defending in Bundesliga is abysmal and that 100 million should be reserved for proven quality or a sure thing. Apparently because someone overpaid for Felix, United should just pay whatever Dortmund demand. This is Caf logic at its best.Your comment about playing for Dortmund being system dependent is also a valid point. Every time I have seen Sancho play for England, which is a different system altogether, he hasn't looked anything special. It would be good to have him play for United but there is some serious overating of him here.
Na those were different ITKs, the current ones came later.
Like I said, the group of ITKs are different now compared to last summer and there is a lot more evidence to demonstrate their reliability. They even banned the main bs merchant (kermit).
I reckon it was a big surprise for them that a guy called Kermit was a bs merchant. Big blow.
The ITK stuff is fun, but I'd rather the thread didn't get too bogged down in waffle about some lads on reddit who may or may not be pretending to have info.
I don't know why we don't have a Reddit ITK thread so this could all get contained. Yeah they might be telling the truth, and to be fair I love reading it as its entertaining, but chances are it is complete rubbish.
I don't know why we don't have a Reddit ITK thread so this could all get contained. Yeah they might be telling the truth, and to be fair I love reading it as its entertaining, but chances are it is complete rubbish.
Agreed, and even if the ITK stuff is reliable it's a waste of time because the club is probably actively contacting multiple players and back-ups.
They have target A, B, C all in contention and ask for valuations, make offers, and if A and B fallout, then C happens.
Until the player is next to the manager with a shirt in their hand signing a contract it's honestly not worth hanging too much hope on some of what people say
Totally agree, people should stop reading these fake ITK, remember these ITKs in this subreddit said De ligt, Rabiot and Bruno were done deals last summer.
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And constant tweets from people on twitter is better? It’s a thread to discuss it, nothing is happening. Frankly the Reddit ITK posts are the most interesting this thread has been in 200 pages.
Well the tweets from actual journalists while often wrong are probably a bit more worthy of debate than ITK69, but we've all got our own personal taste, as I said I find it fun and entertaining, but wouldn't want to see pages of discussion on actual muppets from Reddit. I follow that subreddit and a lad on twitter who has a great track record, I still don't think much or any of it is worth being talked about like its gospel.
Think Zorc's comments are far more worthy of getting excited about than some faceless nameless ITK personally. Seems pretty obvious to me something is happening? Unless you're just not paying attention.
Think Zorc's comments are far more worthy of getting excited about than some faceless nameless ITK personally. Seems pretty obvious to me something is happening? Unless you're just not paying attention.
I'm a little limited in terms of my knowledge with cup competitions and covid, would new signings be eligible for the Europa League in the case of signing?
Given players could join or leave before August when the competitions resume?
Given players could join or leave before August when the competitions resume?
No they needed to be registered back in January I do believe.
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Yea his comments are quite positive for this transfer to happen, i think its nailed on.
Both tournaments should be *.
usually when you a high level person at a club talking of a transfer, it's going to happen.
Sancho has clearly told them he wants to leave, now they just want to get as much money as possible.
I think £120m isn't realistic, but around £90m is a fair price. Dortmund risk losing half that money if they wait until next year, and could potentially have an unhappy player underachieving all season. They'd be better cashing in and replacing him with somebody who's motivated - similar to us with Lukaku.
Sancho has clearly told them he wants to leave, now they just want to get as much money as possible.
I think £120m isn't realistic, but around £90m is a fair price. Dortmund risk losing half that money if they wait until next year, and could potentially have an unhappy player underachieving all season. They'd be better cashing in and replacing him with somebody who's motivated - similar to us with Lukaku.
I see Borussia Dortmund have changed their tune regarding him, I want us to get this done as soon as possible, No summer-long saga.
What's the hold up on this? Are you negotiating via carrier pigeon?
Seriously though, I'd love to know why transfers seem to take so long. Surely your top dude picks up the phone to their top dude and they hash it out.
Seriously though, I'd love to know why transfers seem to take so long. Surely your top dude picks up the phone to their top dude and they hash it out.
Are you genuinely perplexed by this or just wanting to wind up?
It’s a massive financial commitment not something you just “hash out” it involes legal departments, marketing, agents, scouting etc so much goes into it and if the fee is anywhere near what is reported I would much prefer the club do due diligence than rush it.
Im fairly confident it’ll be done soon after our last PL game.
We aren't playing with Russian oil money here you know! There's a bit more due diligence to do when you're not a billionaires plaything.
Once the decision has been made to buy a player, it should not take weeks and weeks. This is not Man Uniteds first (or second, or third) time buying big and it's also not Dortmund's first time selling big.
I'm not trying to have a dig at all, just always seems bizarre when transfers drag out for ages then miraculously get done 2 mins before the deadline closes, almost as though the two clubs are playing chicken with each other.
Not just russian oil, but oil in general.
Why do all football clubs owned by oil companies wear blue home kits?
Jealousy is a horrible colour on you.
And I'm not having a dig, the Hazard transfer took forever to get done for us but others were done fast.
It hasn't been in doubt for awhile has it mate, now more and more people are seeing what's been obvious for awhile.@Judas our patience will pay off
There's nothing to be jealous of fortunately. It's nice to spend your own money
I think there's alot the goes on behind the scenes we don't know about. In addition the very big deals are often timed in line with sponsorships and other off field committments.
Aye we called it ages ago, all the information and feeling around this one was different than from many others. Jadon is coming, if nothing else the tweets and updates from Dortmund are the most obvious for me.
feck that, I'd love to be able to spend someone elses money from time to time.There's nothing to be jealous of fortunately. It's nice to spend your own money
The thing is United have historically had more scrutiny over their deals and get used all the time to raise fees for other clubs by agents and players. We are in a very privileged and equally frustrating position where we can attempt these massive deals but at the same time the slightest hint of interest (or often no evidence whatsoever) and it’s in the papers.
Everyone in world football knows how badly we want a RW and finding one who is talented, young and British is the absolute goldmine for United. Dortmund will know this and will rightly try to get the most they can for him. Equally the papers will have recognised early in his good fit before a deal was being negotiated. You say it shouldn’t take weeks but the reality is that the biggest deals need preparation and planning and sometimes rumours start before we’re actually at the table discussing things. Coronavirus also doesn’t help.
Sancho would be a potentially record signing and so United are going to want to make sure they have done everything possible to get the best deal for themselves. It’s not like he has a release clause and then bam you’re negotiating with the player Dortmund have only just finished their season were in the middle of a battle for Champions League which could influence our ability to sign players and the season hasn’t even ended yet.
Ultimately I don’t care if it’s done now or on deadline day as long as it’s the right player and in Sancho’s case if he performs to his Dortmund levels at United I don’t think many would bemoan the time we waited another month.
Think we are just waiting to see if we get the CL.
Sancho might not want to join unless we have it, or maybe we won't be able to afford him without the extra revenue. Who knows.
I think the issue is the press are talking about it WAY ahead of us actually making our move, so it makes it feel like we're being slow.
we will see movement when the season ends im sure.
Yeah that sounds like a fair idea and a good way of keeping it in one place
I need something to do in between us playing matches
From The Athletic article posted 5 hours ago, summary below:
Headline states "United's spending will be measured but they do have the funds for Sancho"
- United have a budget of £50m net. Budget is bolstered if we sell Sancehz, Rojo, Jones, Smalling. We'd also consider Lingard (obviously) and Dalot.
- This budget is not fixed because the financial impact of the pandemic are still unknown and the market is in a state of flux.
- Given our ambition to close the gap, insiders believe we will have an intention to have a big pot of cash to spend, but advertising this openly will affect our negotiating position.
The pandemic hit to our club is believed to be around £110m.
Headline states "United's spending will be measured but they do have the funds for Sancho"
- United have a budget of £50m net. Budget is bolstered if we sell Sancehz, Rojo, Jones, Smalling. We'd also consider Lingard (obviously) and Dalot.
- This budget is not fixed because the financial impact of the pandemic are still unknown and the market is in a state of flux.
- Given our ambition to close the gap, insiders believe we will have an intention to have a big pot of cash to spend, but advertising this openly will affect our negotiating position.
The pandemic hit to our club is believed to be around £110m.
So in other words quite smartly Utd do not want to show their hand in how much they have available.
That's right, and we'll probably get Sancho if push comes to shove but will stretch it out to squeeze Dortmund.
But they are. Of course they are. That's negotiation 101. They're constantly having to go back and forth, and check things with they're higher ups. More to the point, it's not the only deal they're working on. These are busy guys, and even if Sancho is the club's top priority, they're not spending all day, every day on it.
Yeah all this ITK shit is bull.
Its bizzare redditors think some lad will put his job in jeopardy, during a pandemic no less just to quench some thirsty muppets on the internet.
The deadline day was literally set by Dortmund itself. For a reason. So United has to hurry to scratch this money together. Zorc won't change the plans of the club and their strategy only cause of a United who always needs ages to get some shit together.
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