It is a lot of effort to end up in a place where you can win the Europa Conference League, when you had won the Champions League a few seasons prior.
Jadon Sancho
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
That's Chelsea though, they always had short cycles. Winning the league, then not even qualifying for champions league. They still win things every odd year though. Think they are currently in their best position in a long time though.
Indeed.
So if he is on 350 / week and a reasonable wage would be maximum half of that: This would mean we need to deduct 10m from any potential fee respectively pay him the difference.
Other than that what would be a realistic fee with only 1 year left on his contract? 25-30?
So selling him for a reduced price now should financially be better than loaning him out and covering half his wages before he leaves for free after the season. And is maybe better for short term PSR.
Other than that what would be a realistic fee with only 1 year left on his contract? 25-30?
So selling him for a reduced price now should financially be better than loaning him out and covering half his wages before he leaves for free after the season. And is maybe better for short term PSR.
Need to find a way to get him out for the sake of both squad culture and balancing the books. On the sell side, I hope he is the number one priority we need to get rid off. While 5 million is a nice unexpected payoff, would still have loved to get rid of him.
Assuming the need to cover his book value and trading it off against the payoff, I hope that even if offers come in the range of 15 million plus, we take it.
The freedom fighter must be flushed at all costs.
Assuming the need to cover his book value and trading it off against the payoff, I hope that even if offers come in the range of 15 million plus, we take it.
The freedom fighter must be flushed at all costs.
They just need to sign more players.
Haha, looks like they're already on it. Guys are playing FUT in real life.
Sancho is not an asset, he is a liability. He is not interested in taking a pay cut, and the club is desperate to get rid of him. The combination of both this factors means we will be getting absolutely nothing for him and will be paying through the nose.
This guy just refused 150k a week deal at Chelsea, where he supposedly was happy and settled to come back to the club. The plan is clear - earn his astronomical wage for the last year and get a loan out, because he knows that United is cornered into getting rid of him at any price and then sign a new contract on a free with a club which without a transfer fee will be able to offer him a higher salary.
He will drain the club for every last cent that he can get, that is his character, but not his fault Woodward gave him this obscene contract...
This guy just refused 150k a week deal at Chelsea, where he supposedly was happy and settled to come back to the club. The plan is clear - earn his astronomical wage for the last year and get a loan out, because he knows that United is cornered into getting rid of him at any price and then sign a new contract on a free with a club which without a transfer fee will be able to offer him a higher salary.
He will drain the club for every last cent that he can get, that is his character, but not his fault Woodward gave him this obscene contract...
I swear Woodward was a closet Liverpool fan hell bent on destroying us from within.
Dortmund looking in the reduced isle again, cheap bstards. Can't stand them, probably want us paying majority of his wages on loan or for free. It wouldn't surprise me.
I'd agree with this sort of stance for someone like Rashford who actually wants to play. Problem with Sancho is that it's 1 year and he's already shown that he's more than happy to sit at home and collect his wages.
It's a bit like threatening a kid with a suspension to punish his truancy issues.
If no one will buy him for anything then we should just accept whichever loan offer covers most of his wages and be pleased that we are done with him.
From FFP standpoint a loan and them then signing him on a free at the end of season is probably going to work out better than whatever Dortmund can pay for him, which at this point probably would be next to nothing.
I would just give him a free transfer at this point. It if we can get a loan fee that would work. A distaster of a player for us.
You take a PSR hit if you do that. It would be better for the accounts to just keep him and let him train or send him on loan for free.
You take a hit this season but less PSR strain next season, right? The total amount calculated against PSR is the same, just over a different period
That was Chelsea's price. Dortmund should pay more. They sold him to us for £73m (which everyone thought was cheap as the orginal price quoted was £115-120m), wonder if we can negotiate a £30 fee with them paid in installments (we owe them 17m, so they pay us 13m in installments).
He's in his mid-20's, doing that is damaging for us as a club. Others will try to negotiate such deals with us. We need to get something for him. Tbh it's a shame things didn't work out.
I think the leverage with Sancho is what he would be able to earn after 12 months in the reserves, compared with what he'd be able to earn this Summer.
At the moment Chelsea for example were willing to offer a long term six figure weekly contract. In 12 months time after playing no competitive football for well over a year, I'd be surprised if he'd get half of what Chelsea offered.
The issue is he currently sees the situation as a simple choice between earning £300k per week for a year, subsidised by United, whilst playing for a European club and potentially getting a large signing on bonus as a free agent... Or signing for Chelsea and taking a 50+% pay cut with little to no sign on fee.
I'd say the former equation makes the Chelsea offer look very attractive, whereas the latter one makes it appear unattractive.
He cost €85m which is c. £72m (Roughly), he has 1 year of a 5 year contract CV of his transfer fee which is roughly £14.5m.
His wages of £300k a week (if believed) is actually £15m a year so we could actually let him go for free and not impact our PSR (Obviously if we could loan and get a contribution to that wage it would be the greatest net positive effect for our PSR position)
He’ll be on 25% less won’t he due to no CL
Yes there are far more proclivities than my example points out such as bonus payments etc but just looking at it broadly.
With us being us and the people who made his contract being them I wouldn't bet on him not getting those 25% for qualifying with Chelsea.
i see Dortmund have spunked 32M on Jobe Bellingham, so much for their annual poor man act.
their business model : hope utd sign him for x 3 times that in 2 years….
They can give us part of the Gittens fee, they're pretty flush with cash, if they're giving Sunderland 30 million for Budget Bellingham, they have funds left over for Sancho.
They just need to waive the fee we still owe them (17M or so). We can use some money from the Chelsea loan experiment to pay off the delta between his new wages and his current United wages and call ourselves lucky.
Rumour has it that EtH wants him at Leverkusen just for the fun of banning him again from the squad.
Nothing to do with pettiness he says, he's just committed to saving football
Nothing to do with pettiness he says, he's just committed to saving football
sell Gittens to chelsea and buy Sancho from United....simples
Ah yes, the old 'let's loan Sancho from United and then post shit about them on social media' routine from everyone's favourite German club. Tell them to pay up or do one.
Oh yeah I forgot about that.
feck them. "Everyone owes him an apology, we were ALWAYS familiar with his game".. yeah his game that you wouldn't sign him to play at a significantly reduced rate.
Can't wait for "FREEDOM" to be trending when this cnut finally departs!
Someone out there had to see something from his stint at Chelsea along with the many ABU articles blaming us for his poor form that wants to spend 15-20m on him.
I wouldn't give him the grace of a loan anywhere in his final year. He won't take a wage cut to leave and is fully intent on running down his contract.
I'd banish him to the reserves and recoup as much money as possible in fines when he inevitably fails to turn up for training.
I'd banish him to the reserves and recoup as much money as possible in fines when he inevitably fails to turn up for training.
I know we have had a dislike for di Maria since that season he played for us, but at least we got good money for him. Is there anything positive to say about Sancho? Paid 75m for him, he was quite meh/average other than in few games in 21/22 season, then in 22/23 ten Hag gave him few months off the pitch to train alone and hopefully get himself together, comes back still is poor, 23/24 gets into a fight with ten Hag and leaves for Dortmund, has decent 2nd half of the season there (though it was more those good games against PSG, wasn't that great in Bundesliga), they still decide not to sign him, comes back to United but leaves quickly for Chelsea where he's quite meh on loan, writes freedom on Rashford's Villa post and then doesn't want freedom for himself because he's more interested in keeping his huge wages.
Thankfully only 1 year left on his contract. We won't get a fee for him because he's too useless to at least help us in that way but there should be big celebrations when we do get rid. Antony has been a terrible signing as well but in no way do I have dislike for him like I do for Sancho.
Other priorities
I would have thought that Dortmund will be very keen especially now with the possibility that he maybe going back there.
I know we have had a dislike for di Maria since that season he played for us, but at least we got good money for him. Is there anything positive to say about Sancho? Paid 75m for him, he was quite meh/average other than in few games in 21/22 season, then in 22/23 ten Hag gave him few months off the pitch to train alone and hopefully get himself together, comes back still is poor, 23/24 gets into a fight with ten Hag and leaves for Dortmund, has decent 2nd half of the season there (though it was more those good games against PSG, wasn't that great in Bundesliga), they still decide not to sign him, comes back to United but leaves quickly for Chelsea where he's quite meh on loan, writes freedom on Rashford's Villa post and then doesn't want freedom for himself because he's more interested in keeping his huge wages.
Thankfully only 1 year left on his contract. We won't get a fee for him because he's too useless to at least help us in that way but there should be big celebrations when we do get rid. Antony has been a terrible signing as well but in no way do I have dislike for him like I do for Sancho.
You really can’t compare the two. Antony always gave his all on the pitch and if you ignore the fee, was ok the first season. It then followed with off the pitch things that affected his mentality. Then had a terrific loan in Spain which shows he is a good player in the wrong league but until now, I’ve not seen him say a single bad word about us.
Sancho was purely a waste of talent and never really bothered while he was here, and constantly blamed others during his time here, or put on loan.
As frustrating as Antony and Rashford can be, Sancho is on an entire different level.
They would never say publicly that they are interested in him, no way. If they can get him somehow towards the end of the window, where we will be desperate to offload him, it will do them the world of good, getting him on the cheap.
We're going to be left with him. The shit that won't flush
A few floaters around that we can't get rid of. Might need a plunger.
This must be hurting his ego.