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Two lads here seem genuinely relieved that we didn't strengthen the midfield. You'd swear it was City's midfield he was hoping to break into. If Garner was 25 established and world class we'd still need another quality midfielder in the squad.
I didnt say we couldnt do with another midfielder. I said we don't need 2 similar ones and would rather see Gomes given games in CM than Longstaff.
 

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I didnt say we couldnt do with another midfielder. I said we don't need 2 similar ones and would rather see Gomes given games in CM than Longstaff.
McTomminay, Longstaff, Garner, Pogba, Gomes.

Nice talented group.
 

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Nice to see that the moaning on lack of signings now also occupies the James Garner Performance thread.
 

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Nice to see that the moaning on lack of signings now also occupies the James Garner Performance thread.
It's literally just in response to people celebrating the lack of a midfield signing in this thread. Happy to keep it on topic if people actually would.
 

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It's literally just in response to people celebrating the lack of a midfield signing in this thread. Happy to keep it on topic if people actually would.
Actually nobody said glad we didnt sign a new midfielder. You just came in with your transfer forum posts
 

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Thats right downplay our own players in their own thread and pretend the grass is greener everywhere else
I know Garner better than most and have spoken to the lad on many occassions when dropping Mason off at training over the years. I've even made lengthy posts on here describing his potential. Longstaff can play as the #6 and #8 and can play in tandem with Garner. Garner played against a terrible West Brom second string that lost 5-0 to us and isn't deemed ready by the coaching staff to challenge for a starting spot in the team.

It's also funny alot of you didn't think too much about Garner when this forum was going nuts over the underwhelming Ruben Neves, who has done feck all of note in the EPL.
 

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It's literally just in response to people celebrating the lack of a midfield signing in this thread. Happy to keep it on topic if people actually would.
A toungue in cheek ‘Longwho’ I guess was what started it. IMO it’s just a bit tiring with the same (negative) stuff being posted in more or less every thread. There is probably ten or so threads on the front page of the United forum where lack of transfer activity etc is being moaned about. It would be nice if we could avoid the same in a thread about a current midfield prospect.
 
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I know Garner better than most and have spoken to the lad on many occassions when dropping Mason off at training over the years. I've even made lengthy posts on here describing his potential. Longstaff can play as the #6 and #8 and can play in tandem with Garner. Garner played against a terrible West Brom second string that lost 5-0 to us and isn't deemed ready by the coaching staff to challenge for a starting spot in the team.

It's also funny alot of you didn't think too much about Garner when this forum was going nuts over the underwhelming Ruben Neves, who has done feck all of note in the EPL.
Wait, what? You're that close with Greenwood? Interesting.

Regarding Garner, I know you people who are much more knowledgable about the youngsters stress he's not ready. I'm just a bit impatient and when I see what he can do (something Matic, Fred and McTominay can't) I get giddy. But yes, hopefully he'll be managed well and get minutes from the bench and, I'm hoping, Europa games.
 

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A toungue in cheek ‘Longwho’ I guess was what started it. IMO it’s just a bit tiring with the same (negative) stuff being posted in more or less every thread. There is probably ten or so threads on the front page of the United forum where lack of transfer activity etc is being moaned about. It would be nice if we could avoid the same a thread about a current midfield prospect.
You're right.

Garner was class tonight. I really like him. A CM who is defensively extremely sound, very mobile, with great passing range and now he's scoring screamers. Hard not to get excited.

He's still probably a season away from staking a place hence the other discussion. But he really does look potentially very good.
 

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Wait, what? You're that close with Greenwood? Interesting.

Regarding Garner, I know you people who are much more knowledgable about the youngsters stress he's not ready. I'm just a bit impatient and when I see what he can do (something Matic, Fred and McTominay can't) I get giddy. But yes, hopefully he'll be managed well and get minutes from the bench and, I'm hoping, Europa games.
Garner is a big talent and will be played in the Europa League I hope. He's barely just turned 18 but I'm hoping he makes strides this year so he can play a more prominent role in the first team next season.

I'm hoping to see Garner, Gomes and Pogba in midfield in the not too distant future
 

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I know Garner better than most and have spoken to the lad on many occassions when dropping Mason off at training over the years. I've even made lengthy posts on here describing his potential. Longstaff can play as the #6 and #8 and can play in tandem with Garner. Garner played against a terrible West Brom second string that lost 5-0 to us and isn't deemed ready by the coaching staff to challenge for a starting spot in the team.

It's also funny alot of you didn't think too much about Garner when this forum was going nuts over the underwhelming Ruben Neves, who has done feck all of note in the EPL.
At least somebody gets it.
 

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I know Garner better than most and have spoken to the lad on many occassions when dropping Mason off at training over the years. I've even made lengthy posts on here describing his potential. Longstaff can play as the #6 and #8 and can play in tandem with Garner. Garner played against a terrible West Brom second string that lost 5-0 to us and isn't deemed ready by the coaching staff to challenge for a starting spot in the team.

It's also funny alot of you didn't think too much about Garner when this forum was going nuts over the underwhelming Ruben Neves, who has done feck all of note in the EPL.
A couple of more games like these, and the coaching staff might reconsider. What he did today was simply absurd. Granted - it was a poor WBA-side, but his pass for the 1-0 Ramazanis goal and his 3-0 goal has nothing to do with the quality of the opponents. He really can't be that far away to be honest.
 

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Garner, Laird and Williams look like they could step up given first team football this season. Possibly even Levitt.
 

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Wait, what? You're that close with Greenwood? Interesting.

Regarding Garner, I know you people who are much more knowledgable about the youngsters stress he's not ready. I'm just a bit impatient and when I see what he can do (something Matic, Fred and McTominay can't) I get giddy. But yes, hopefully he'll be managed well and get minutes from the bench and, I'm hoping, Europa games.
To be fair McTominay came down to the u23s last year for a game and dominated and scored a real cracker of a goal. You could see his quality in that compared to his teammates at that level then. Garner might be just beginning to get towards that level now imo. I think we generally underestimate the jump to be made to be really ready for the first team. Garner’s looking good but patience needed I think.
 

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It's just nice that we have so many potential talents at the same time coming through.

My dream would be seeing these lads lift a major trophy in the next few years. So much more satisfying than buying big names
 

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Garner might have been one of the only ones on the pitch for both sides that had a full pre-season with their respective first team in terms of our fitness and from the sounds of it, intense and quality sessions during that time.

His confidence has grown, he looks a bit bigger and you could tell he has been playing against players of a much higher standard. Looked a cut above,
 

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That’s the best performance I’ve ever seen from him.

Maybe WBA weren’t up to much but you can only beat what’s infront of you.

I think it shows his level is now above this, he had a pretty good performance against Rotherham and really got stuck in, but today he showed he showed his skills. Didn’t know he had such a rocket shot!
 

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The likes of Fabregas, Rooney, Torres and Owen were basically done by the time they hit 30 or even before. Nothing wrong with playing them young but they can't be playing every game, they need to be brought along carefully. In saying that, Sterling doesn't seem to have taken much harm so far, be interesting to see what he's like in a few years.
They were done as top players by 30 but were top players at 16/17. It’s all the same thing as being given a chance at 21/22 and being done as a top player by 33/34. You get a certain amount of time at the peak of your powers. If you’re ready young, you’re ready young, and if you peak earlier, I don’t see why that means it should be avoided. Why is it more useful to anyone to peak at 28 rather than 23?
 

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Garner is a big talent and will be played in the Europa League I hope. He's barely just turned 18 but I'm hoping he makes strides this year so he can play a more prominent role in the first team next season.

I'm hoping to see Garner, Gomes and Pogba in midfield in the not too distant future
Yeah, if he ends up being capable of playing in a midfield two with Pogba with Gomes further forward, that would be superb. You know anything about Gomes' contract situation?

To be fair McTominay came down to the u23s last year for a game and dominated and scored a real cracker of a goal. You could see his quality in that compared to his teammates at that level then. Garner might be just beginning to get towards that level now imo. I think we generally underestimate the jump to be made to be really ready for the first team. Garner’s looking good but patience needed I think.
McTominay is perhaps the first youth I've seen introduced into the first team who's physically adapted so quickly. I mean, he was tall to begin with, but he's now come on leaps and bounds and looks so much more assured. Garner is maybe the opposite, has so much talent but needs to develop physically especially for a midfielder. Glad to finally see youngsters coming through and getting chances.
 

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They were done as top players by 30 but were top players at 16/17. It’s all the same thing as being given a chance at 21/22 and being done as a top player by 33/34. You get a certain amount of time at the peak of your powers. If you’re ready young, you’re ready young, and if you peak earlier, I don’t see why that means it should be avoided. Why is it more useful to anyone to peak at 28 rather than 23?
It's a nice theory but I just don't think it's true. Owen and Torres certainly would have been much better off over their careers if they weren't massively overplayed by Liverpool. Look at how long the likes of Giggs and Scholes could contribute for compared to the ones I mentioned before. Fabregas had maybe 10 seasons at or around the top level? Owen 8, same for Torres (ish), Rooney 10-12. Giggs and Scholes had 15+. Big difference.
 
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It's a nice theory but I just don't think it's true. Owen and Torres certainly would have been much better off over their careers if they weren't massively overplayed by Liverpool. Look at how long the likes of Giggs and Scholes could contribute for compared to the ones I mentioned before. Fabregas had maybe 10 seasons at or around the top level? Owen 8, same for Torres (ish), Rooney 10-12. Giggs and Scholes had 15+. Big difference.
You are saying ‘had’ - the likes of Cesc are still playing. Most players are not top players in their mid to late 30s, regardless of when they started. And Giggs made his debut at 17 anyway.

I appreciate you can list a number of players who were better than Rooney at 33 or whatever, but they very likely were not better than him at 18, and their teams were not able to benefit as massively from their ability at that age as we were from Rooney. It evens itself out, and ultimately, you are ready when you are ready, and done when you’re done. I think a footballer needs to be able to give his best whilst he is able to give his best. That may be from 17 to 28, it may be from 21 to 31. Cristiano Ronaldo has been playing regularly since 18, and is still a top player at 34.
 

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You are saying ‘had’ - the likes of Cesc are still playing. Most players are not top players in their mid to late 30s, regardless of when they started. And Giggs made his debut at 17 anyway.

I appreciate you can list a number of players who were better than Rooney at 33 or whatever, but they very likely were not better than him at 18, and their teams were not able to benefit as massively from their ability at that age as we were from Rooney. It evens itself out, and ultimately, you are ready when you are ready, and done when you’re done. I think a footballer needs to be able to give his best whilst he is able to give his best. That may be from 17 to 28, it may be from 21 to 31. Cristiano Ronaldo has been playing regularly since 18, and is still a top player at 34.
Fabregas has been shit aside from little moments off the bench since his late 20s. And I'm not talking about when players make their debut, I'm talking about being overplayed too young. Anyway, I sense this is a pointless argument but suffice to say, I disagree that sink or swim is the best policy, particularly when the player isn't in the very top tier of natural talent.
 

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Fabregas has been shit aside from little moments off the bench since his late 20s. And I'm not talking about when players make their debut, I'm talking about being overplayed too young. Anyway, I sense this is a pointless argument but suffice to say, I disagree that sink or swim is the best policy, particularly when the player isn't in the very top tier of natural talent.
Cesc May have been poor in his late twenties, I admit. That is uncommon. It is also uncommon to be world class in your late teens.

I agree that sink or swim isn’t ideal for the record. I also don’t believe that there is a formula that says you must start playing when you are 21 either. I just believe you are ready when you are ready, and that will vary from player to player.

Said this before, but a player like Ronaldo the First was probably the best player in the world when he was about 15, we just didn’t know it. Because from the moment he stepped onto the pitch as a teenage professional, he was better than any other footballer, which would only indicate that he was better than them a week, or a month before too, he just hadn’t made his debut. The only reason we shouldn’t play Garner is because he isn’t ready to play top level football yet, be it physically or mentally. If he is though, the fact that he’s 18 isn’t the point.
 

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People aren't patient enough these days to give a youngster a chance.

You're either good enough straight away or they think you're rubbish and shouldn't be in the team. Look at Mctominay, many wrote him off straight away (myself included) but he looks a different player these days.

Garner isn't ready for first team football yet. Better to let him play the cup matches against Rotherham and some Europa league performances.

Next year he'll be 19 and more first team ready.
I also wrote him off which I am not now, but same token I am not writing him in either yet. Very good performance against PSG, a couple of other good performances and a good preseason. Suddenly in many peoples eyes he seems to have gone from shite to a quality central midfielder starting for us after a handful of games includign a couple of very good performances. Im certainly yet to be convinced he is the answer to our midfield, hope he does convince as always good to see our own youth players make it, but even for us, top top players from he youth side is pretty rare.

I wouldnt be surprised if he goes the same way as Lingard, looked like he wouldnt make it, improves, actually does quite well but never to the desired level which in time turns into derisory comments. I feel much like I see Lingard, he can become a very good squadplayer, also like Lingard not sure he should be starting game so regularly though.

Think partly as we have been so poor on the pitch and in the transfer marker we are desperate for youngsters to break though and over hyping many. Rashford I never saw as the star player he was painted out to be from his stack of goals early on, think he is an exciting player but still dont think consistently he is a top level striker at all. McTominay similar, Chong too, Pereira I actually had more hope for ironically. But for me none of these are players that are going to win us league titles.

On the positive side, ability wise I DO see that in Tuanzabe to a degree and certainly ability wise in Gomes and Greenwood. Seen little of Garner and its way too early to prefict, but looks a player there too....but come on games this season, maybe the fleeting appearnce, but even with the lack of genuine quality in our midfield its way way too early to expect too much for him, it is a position needs a lot of discipline and intelligence that comes with experience too, think strikers, wingers and thelike its a bit easier to break thorugh at a young age

PS The games this season was in answer to the thread not you personally. I agree with waht you are saying, though I dont see it personally, individually in the three ex-youth players that are playing in the first team already.
 
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Faith in the untested youth is all that people have got to hang their hat on now, so until the reality of seeing them actually playing in the first team hits home, then we might as well believe they all top class.
Two lads here seem genuinely relieved that we didn't strengthen the midfield. You'd swear it was City's midfield he was hoping to break into. If Garner was 25 established and world class we'd still need another quality midfielder in the squad.
It's the same all across the forum. The glazers and Co have lowered the bar to the extent our fanbase would prefer to put all hopes into untested youth which is something United have never done before even in 1995 the 92 class were eased in as 20 year olds to a stacked team of experienced pros like Hughes Cole Ince Keane McClair etc.
 

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I haven't really heard anything new regarding Gomes. Mason doesn't seem to know either from what I've heard.
Hopefully he'll get the 2-3 games out of the way, performs well and a new contract becomes a priority for the club asap.
 

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It's not about whether the injury could happen to a seasoned pro - obviously any time a player steps on the pitch he could get injured. The point was that young players, whose bodies are not far along in their development, are much more likely to derail their careers and put a lower cap on their ceiling if they pick up injuries (usually they're niggling as opposed to severe) because their bodies aren't yet built to withstand the grind of a first team football season. Speaking from experience, if you pick up an ankle injury as a young player, that ankle becomes a problem area for the rest of your career. And the more you pick up niggling injuries in that area, the more you compensate with other muscles, which leaves you at risk of other, more serious injury in other muscle groups.

As I said, if the staff believe Garner is physically ready then he ought to be given a chance. But not every player develops physically at the same rate - it took me until I was 20 to really start putting on bulk, despite being on a lifting schedule for my university's team from the time I was 18. Saying "sink or swim" is so black and white and does not leave any room for variability based on the facts and circumstances of each case.
Who did you play for?
 

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I know Garner better than most and have spoken to the lad on many occassions when dropping Mason off at training over the years. I've even made lengthy posts on here describing his potential. Longstaff can play as the #6 and #8 and can play in tandem with Garner. Garner played against a terrible West Brom second string that lost 5-0 to us and isn't deemed ready by the coaching staff to challenge for a starting spot in the team.

It's also funny alot of you didn't think too much about Garner when this forum was going nuts over the underwhelming Ruben Neves, who has done feck all of note in the EPL.
Oh you mean the same Ruben Neves that I was saying was overrated?

Turns out people have different opinions on a forum. Nobody said Longstaff and Garner couldnt play together. I said it wasnt my preference and we dont need him when Garner is going to have trouble getting loads of games himself. Best for him that he has a path into the first team than a £50 million stumbling block
 

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Oh you mean the same Ruben Neves that I was saying was overrated?

Turns out people have different opinions on a forum. Nobody said Longstaff and Garner couldnt play together. I said it wasnt my preference and we dont need him when Garner is going to have trouble getting loads of games himself. Best for him that he has a path into the first team than a £50 million stumbling block
You championed us to sign Declan Rice and made a post saying how it will be the end of Garner if we sign Longstaff. Longstaff has played more games as a #8 in his career than as a #6 and is a very rounded midfielder by all accounts. There's no doubt that both Garner and Longstaff are more than compatible to play together, than even a Rice-Garner combo in comparison imo. I don't think you realise the type of midfielder he is if you think he will be a stumbling block for Garner.
 

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You championed us to sign Declan Rice and made a post saying how it will be the end of Garner if we sign Longstaff. Longstaff has played more games as a #8 in his career than as a #6 and is a very rounded midfielder by all accounts. There's no doubt that both Garner and Longstaff are more than compatible to play together, than even a Rice-Garner combo in comparison imo. I don't think you realise the type of midfielder he is if you think he will be a stumbling block for Garner.
Yes Rice is good, but different. And would help our defense more than Garner. But he isnt here