I’m just wondering that this, along with his eye for a goal, is the reason why we didn’t pursue Longstaff as vigorously as some felt we should. That and the ridiculous price set by NewcastleSome of his passing is fantastic
Honestly he's such a great prospect in midfield, but if you give a player of his quality too much time on the ball.. the above video happensSome of his passing is fantastic
Yeah, it's almost hard to assess that performance. West Brom's effort levels were pathetic. They just stood off united for the whole game and let them play.Honestly he's such a great prospect in midfield, but if you give a player of his quality too much time on the ball.. the above video happens
Yes,but good players always seem to make time and space. Carrick used to be the same even at an early ageYeah, it's almost hard to assess that performance. West Brom's effort levels were pathetic. They just stood off united for the whole game and let them play.
Longstaff would cost £50m; for a prospect. Rice is basically just a destroyer (Herrera without an attacking game). We don't play with that kind of player. Many better midfielders are available for about £50m such as: Donny van de Beek, who's is still at Ajax.You championed us to sign Declan Rice and made a post saying how it will be the end of Garner if we sign Longstaff. Longstaff has played more games as a #8 in his career than as a #6 and is a very rounded midfielder by all accounts. There's no doubt that both Garner and Longstaff are more than compatible to play together, than even a Rice-Garner combo in comparison imo. I don't think you realise the type of midfielder he is if you think he will be a stumbling block for Garner.
Garner plays CDM. You'd play him in place of Matic, Fred or McTominay.Don't see the harm in giving him some of the chances Periera would otherwise get.
Absolutely. But WB were ridiculously bad. It was weird.Yes,but good players always seem to make time and space. Carrick used to be the same even at an early age
His game against League 1 Rotherham on Tuesday was much more competitive. Just as good.Absolutely. But WB were ridiculously bad. It was weird.
Not trying to take anything away from Garner. He's great
What's that got to do with West Brom last night?His game against League 1 Rotherham on Tuesday was much more competitive. Just as good.
Just through my time at college, not professionally. But the point stands - youth injuries, especially in the knees and ankles, haunt you for your whole career.Who did you play for?
Yes. Which college?Just through my time at college, not professionally. But the point stands - youth injuries, especially in the knees and ankles, haunt you for your whole career.
This is the James Garner thread isn't it? Not the match thread.What's that got to do with West Brom last night?
So WB were ridiculously bad eh?Absolutely. But WB were ridiculously bad. It was weird.
Not trying to take anything away from Garner. He's great
9 United players started both games.What's that got to do with West Brom last night?
Everything, it's James fecking Garner!What's that got to do with West Brom last night?
Agree strongly with this post. It's why I called OGS's summer recruitment criminal in another thread. These players have to be managed carefully and eased in as opposed to expected to perform. Unconvinced Garner is physically ready too, though he's the kid I'm most excited about long term. I think he's more Redondo than Xabi/Busquets, though that's a huge tag...People must be mad when they expect him to be a regular next year. He is 19 next season and plays in a position where the importance of experience can not be overestimated. It is not the same thing as being a striker.
Rodri, one of the most talented players in the world in this position, got 800 min for Villarreal when he was 20 (two years time for Garner) and was a regular at 21. Busquets and Xabi Alonso was similar.
While some player can make an impact early due to being exeptionally early developers, I do not think that is the case for Garner. He is great at U23 due to talent. Not being physically imposing. And for his position, it is even more about brains and experience.
I actually do think Garner could be a talent of similar level to some of the players I mentioned. But that is probably a stretch and an insane statement at this stage. But compared to those who expect him to be a regular next year it aint that bad.
You're comparing a youth player to an England international who won countless trophies. Wise up.He looks to be better than Carrick ever was. Carrick passing was exceptional but mobility was a downside. Garner looks to have both.
Yeah agreed. Itll take a few years for him to really brake into the team at least, it's just how it is for his type of midfielders. Loads of potential and if he keeps it up, he'll get more and more minutes, but wouldnt expect him to be a starter before he's 21 at the earliest really.People must be mad when they expect him to be a regular next year. He is 19 next season and plays in a position where the importance of experience can not be overestimated. It is not the same thing as being a striker.
Rodri, one of the most talented players in the world in this position, got 800 min for Villarreal when he was 20 (two years time for Garner) and was a regular at 21. Busquets and Xabi Alonso was similar.
While some player can make an impact early due to being exeptionally early developers, I do not think that is the case for Garner. He is great at U23 due to talent. Not being physically imposing. And for his position, it is even more about brains and experience.
I actually do think Garner could be a talent of similar level to some of the players I mentioned. But that is probably a stretch and an insane statement at this stage. But compared to those who expect him to be a regular next year it aint that bad.
In the PL, I agree. But I’m not sure he will learn much more in the U23. He already looks like he could be too good for that level. Considering how good and developed he is, I think it would do him good gaining experience from a more competetive level. Maguire played regularly at League One at the same age. If there is a club/manager somewhere with a suitable type of football the club probably should consider that in january.Yeah agreed. Itll take a few years for him to really brake into the team at least, it's just how it is for his type of midfielders. Loads of potential and if he keeps it up, he'll get more and more minutes, but wouldnt expect him to be a starter before he's 21 at the earliest really.
Wow, that escalated quicklyHe looks to be better than Carrick ever was. Carrick passing was exceptional but mobility was a downside. Garner looks to have both.
Indeed, especially as Garner is relatively slow.Wow, that escalated quickly
Matic is experienced but sloppy. I'd prefer someone who is never sloppy: whether they have the experience or not. I don't see how having experience stops a CDM making mistakes. I think CDM is about 1) protecting the defense, 2) never giving the ball away, 3) distributing it. Garner does all that well.Yeah agreed. Itll take a few years for him to really brake into the team at least, it's just how it is for his type of midfielders. Loads of potential and if he keeps it up, he'll get more and more minutes, but wouldnt expect him to be a starter before he's 21 at the earliest really.
Christ on a bike. What is this nonsense? Better than Carrick ever was? I don’t know whether to even take this comment seriously. And it just goes to show how short some people’s memories are when they talk about Carrick having no mobility. Maybe when he was in his mid 30s. But when he signed for us in his mid twenties he was extremely mobile. Mobile enough to play in a midfield two with a Scholes. He absolutely transformed our midfield when he signed. Carrick is one of the most underrated players of the last twenty years and was fundamental to the most successful era in our history. Absolutely brilliant footballer.He looks to be better than Carrick ever was. Carrick passing was exceptional but mobility was a downside. Garner looks to have both.
Some of his passing is fantastic
I think he’s better than Xavi and Iniesta combinedHe looks to be better than Carrick ever was. Carrick passing was exceptional but mobility was a downside. Garner looks to have both.
Is he? I've only seen him during the very brief appearances he's had in the first team, but one thing I took from them is that he seemed faster than I expected.Indeed, especially as Garner is relatively slow.
Something I never suggested. All I did was comment on how ridiculously slack West Brom were. As I said in the original post, i wasn't trying to take anything from Garner. I've been full of praise for himSo WB were ridiculously bad eh?
Q: Does that mean Garner only looks good playing against bad teams?
A: No. Because Garner also looked good playing against Rotherham who are League 1 standard, men, and professional footballers. Showing that Garner can handle the rough and tumble.