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yes it is fair to say that. Its up to him to prove he is ready to step up into United's first team- he certainly has the skills, but its application that matters.Is it fair to say that the team could really do with a player of Garner’s style? We’ve not managed to replace Carrick yet (Matic was okay for a couple of years).
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DM. Hes performed far better there than he did as an 8 for watford.Anyone know where they have used him so far in Nottingham Forest? More as a CM/box to box or more as a holding midfielder?
Cheers mate.DM. Hes performed far better there than he did as an 8 for watford.
That is brilliant news, because that's the spot we need someone for.DM. Hes performed far better there than he did as an 8 for watford.
I'd worry about him not getting the game time to develop enough. He'd likely have Matic Fred, McT and possibly Pogba all ahead of him.Could play for us next season as we need someone in that role. His passing ability would on show more at United.
Matic is really struggling now, I think if Ole decided to bring Garner into the equation it would be an acknowledgement that Matic can't hack the pace any more. He'd essentially be competing with Fred to play the #6 role, which seems a healthy situation for both to me. He'll get enough game time but will have to prove himself to get more.I'd worry about him not getting the game time to develop enough. He'd likely have Matic Fred, McT and possibly Pogba all ahead of him.
Yeah I'd be happy if Matic went and Garner stepped up, but if Matic is still here I reckon he'd be the one used more unfortately.Matic is really struggling now, I think if Ole decided to bring Garner into the equation it would be an acknowledgement that Matic can't hack the pace any more. He'd essentially be competing with Fred to play the #6 role, which seems a healthy situation for both to me. He'll get enough game time but will have to prove himself to get more.
He's part of a double pivot in a 4-2-3-1, he's playing well but doesn't yet demand the ball enough for my liking. Being local I listen to most Forest games on the radio. He's doing well no doubt, as are Forest since his arrival. But he's part of the reason why, not the only reason.Anyone know where they have used him so far in Nottingham Forest? More as a CM/box to box or more as a holding midfielder?
You are never going to realistically be able to offer these kids a straight shot at lots of game time. But if Garner, after a season of loan football, can't displace a Matic who looks well off the pace and isn't being risked in two games in a row any more, then does he really deserve the opportunity?Yeah I'd be happy if Matic went and Garner stepped up, but if Matic is still here I reckon he'd be the one used more unfortately.
Having just watched several of those - all touches in the match - vids, Garner doesn't look remotely ready to be competing for a place in United's midfield. His stats on WhoScored don't look anything like a United midfielder's either, though perhaps there is good reason for that and he is currently Forest's highest rated player. There is one impressive outside of the boot, crossfield pass and perhaps another couple of decent long passes into the channel that the Forest forward ran on to.Matic is really struggling now, I think if Ole decided to bring Garner into the equation it would be an acknowledgement that Matic can't hack the pace any more. He'd essentially be competing with Fred to play the #6 role, which seems a healthy situation for both to me. He'll get enough game time but will have to prove himself to get more.
You've misunderstood my point. I'm not saying Solskjaer would start him ahead of Matic. I'm saying since Matic is never risked in two games in a row, Garner would get guaranteed game time and if he couldn't use that game time to work his way ahead of Matic in the pecking order - Matic who opposition midfielders are simply running past because he hasn't got the legs any more - then it's not a case of us throwing him in too early, but of him not deserving it.Having just watched several of those - all touches in the match - vids, Garner doesn't look remotely ready to be competing for a place in United's midfield. His stats on WhoScored don't look anything like a United midfielder's either, though perhaps there is good reason for that and he is currently Forest's highest rated player.
I'm not passing any judgement on how good a player he will become in time but right now, Solskjaer would not be playing Garner ahead of Matic in any serious competitive game.
If you don't believe me, watch the videos yourself and tell me what it is he adds that our current players don't do every game.
Next season midfield will be an issue so I can see him staying.Got a good feeling about this kid, I hope he can get a loan move to a PL club next year. Would be better for his development than a few cup games for us.
Where would he be guaranteed game time? Matic would be the back up hardly ever starting as he has been doing lately anyway.You've misunderstood my point. I'm not saying Solskjaer would start him ahead of Matic. I'm saying since Matic is never risked in two games in a row, Garner would get guaranteed game time and if he couldn't use that game time to work his way ahead of Matic in the pecking order - Matic who opposition midfielders are simply running past because he hasn't got the legs any more - then it's not a case of us throwing him in too early, but of him not deserving it.
I don't think it's fair to compare stats. Garner is playing for Notts Forest at the bottom of the Championship, it's a totally different context. I don't need to watch the videos as I've watched the full matches. What he's doing that Matic is not doing, is stopping opposition midfielders from running straight at the defence.
Fred is obviously a different ballgame. He is doing well as a #6 at the moment despite it not being his ideal position, and I wouldn't expect Garner to get any game time ahead of him. But I think he could work his way above Matic simply by virtue of having the legs for it.
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Solskjaer has absolutely nothing to do with the academy success. Nicky Butt is the one that deserves the credit for that.Garner is the exact type of player Ole's United are crying out for...
Fingers crossed his development continues at this trajectory... a more-than-fine prospect..
When you look at the talent in our academy it is just staggering...
Who watches the U-23s... have you seen Hannibal and Diallo link up together over the past few games? It's droo-inducing. It reminds me of George Best and Rodney Marsh when they used to play for Fulham and would just take the piss out of the opposition...
Any Man United fan not super excited by quite how Ole Solskjaer has totally transitioned our football club since coming back in is off the scale missing the whole point...
I think the poster said 'transitioned our football club', not particularly the academy. But you are right that Nicky Butt is the main reason the academy is looking so good at the moment. I think, but not 100% certain, that NB was in place before Mourinho was sacked, I'm sure someone will put me right on that. But Ole and he would have had many discussions over the past couple of years about the academy and the way forward, so he would have had a small input.Solskjaer has absolutely nothing to do with the academy success. Nicky Butt is the one that deserves the credit for that.
Spoken like a fella who’s never watched a Championship game in his life.Having just watched several of those - all touches in the match - vids, Garner doesn't look remotely ready to be competing for a place in United's midfield. His stats on WhoScored don't look anything like a United midfielder's either, though perhaps there is good reason for that and he is currently Forest's highest rated player. There is one impressive outside of the boot, crossfield pass and perhaps another couple of decent long passes into the channel that the Forest forward ran on to.
I'm not passing any judgement on how good a player he will become in time but right now, Solskjaer would not be playing Garner ahead of Matic in any serious competitive game.
If you don't believe me, watch the videos yourself and tell me what it is he adds that our current players don't do every game.
That's perfectly fair.Spoken like a fella who’s never watched a Championship game in his life.
Garner (or any lad his age) doesn’t go to a side like Forest and play against Blackburn and make 80 passes per game. You go there and get stuck in, follow tactical instructions and maintain discipline. Show some quality amidst the rough and tumble. The rest comes later, probably at a different club.
So would I. Like I said above, another season on at Forest could work wonders. I fully expect that Hughton will have them challenging for promotion.That's perfectly fair.
I even think Garner is doing well for his age. But I'd be looking for him to go out on loan for another season or two before coming back to compete for a place at United.
I mean that is very promising because that was what he needed to work on. Everyone knows he's a player who can ping the ball about, has a good strike and has good vision. It was defensive discipline, tracking runners and work rate that he needed to improve on loan.His biggest strength at the moment is defensively - he’s putting up great numbers in terms of tackling and interceptions. He’s going to be a bit of a beast in that regard when he develops physically I think. Watching the video from yesterday that’s the first time he’s done some nice combinations in midfield so hopefully an understanding is developing. Each match he’ll do one great pass which shows he has fantastic technique - the problem is he’s in a 2 banks of 4 behind the ball side who have no interest in playing out from the back. He’s gone into a struggling championship side at 19 and become one of their most important players. He’s been highly rated by everyone at the club for some time so the fact he’s done that and his attitude seems spot on bodes well.
Solskjaer has absolutely nothing to do with the academy success. Nicky Butt is the one that deserves the credit for that.
The background changes to the academy have been going on since LvG's time here, he also had nothing to do with the academy changes either. It's desperately unfair to attribute a plan that's been in motion for years to Solskjaer and actually takes the credit away from the people who deserve it.Wow. That couldn't be more untrue....
Solskjaer's five year plan that he sold Woodward included totally recycling the academy... have you not noticed the changes as soon as Ole came in? We've literally signed the best young players from academies all over the world in the past 20-months... we're about to sign another one soon, I believe.
There were quotes made yesterday by an ex academy coach at Carrington saying how dead the academy and the wider reach of the club was under Mourinho and that it is now back on fire under Ole...
Ole has totally rejuvinated the whole club, the whole wider expanse of the club. Honestly, ask anybody associated with the club... In fact, his plan meant moving Nicky Butt into a new position. Butt has gone on record a number of times, recently on an MUTV group chat, saying Ole has brought the entire wider club back to life..
The background changes to the academy have been going on since LvG's time here, he also had nothing to do with the academy changes either. It's desperately unfair to attribute a plan that's been in motion for years to Solskjaer and actually takes the credit away from the people who deserve it.
It's not nonsense, you have no idea what you're talking about. There's a very in-depth and detailed thread about the entire process we've been going through in the youth sub-forum. It's no wonder everyone accuses you of being a WUM.Nonsense.
Ask anybody associated with the club... I've just given you examples of an ex coach saying how much it turned around under Ole and a current coach who has explained hoe much it has changed around under Ole... What more do you want? FACTS that our recruitment of young layers has gone up ten fold since Ole came in.... well, they're all there for you to see if you wanna bother looking for them.
I'll take the facts from which I can read with my own eyes (and they're not hard to find on the internet) and the quotes from all the coaches, ex and current, over your random opinion based on nothing.
Ole has transformed the club, he has transformed the academy. FACT!