Do you think those irish people who got offended at laura davies calling lowry (British or one of our own - not exactly sure what she said as i missed it) are bitter and insecure as well then?
Both are wrong and i can see why both got some riled up.
James McClean: 'Does being abused for being Irish and anti Irish abuse acceptable?'
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Both are wrong and i can see why both got some riled up.
I agree totally with you, i don’t think unless you live in NI and experience the divisiveness that exists in NI in a lot of aspects of daily life, sport, politics, society you simply can’t understand it. How petty and how much bullshit goes on, is quite spectacular, not much has changed TBH, deep seeded hatred and bigotry is still rife.
I'm not so sure mate see below, check out his Twitter. If no one was offended then it wouldn't be an issue but here we are discussing it.
It's just a turn of phrase that anyone could say about any country. If someone had said it was British soil it would be the same thing, as i said only insecure people would get offended by a comment like that.
Its absolute bollocks tbh. I dont understand how people live like it.
Yesterday a reporter asked rickie fowler, an American, would he wear his orange tshirt that he always wears every sunday of every tourny. Lo and behold he's wearing white today.
Let the man wear whatever he wants
Of course some people will always take offence, I’m not saying @arnie_ni is btw. But I will say something for sure, there would be much more of a shit storm if a sportsman or politician had said “it would be great for Fleetwood (for example) to win The Open on British soil”.
I mean technically it is British soil.. hence the British open.
There is a separate Irish open and if someone called it British soil there would be uproar, like there was for Lowry being called British yesterday.
He's seeing it through anyway!
West Britain, by the sounds of it.
Yeah the reason NI is how it is is because no one ever shuts up about the past. What the feck has The Open got to do with anything about the troubles. We shoot ourselves in the foot constantly, making out as if we are some lame duck of a country constantly wallowing in the past.
Bitter and insecure no a bit silly yeah probably.
Come one mate McClean wasn't wrong though.
I would have no problem with someone saying it's Irish or British soil seeing as it's Northern Ireland, part of the UK and part of the island of Ireland.
Clear as day it’s Northern Irish soil
, problem solved.If someone like arlene came out with that id by asking the same thing, why would you say it?
Im right with you on both points.
On the golf topic, he was fantastic yesterday. I thought rory was good on Friday but he out done him
Well i wouldn't claim to be able to predict the level of offence that would cause but yeah of course it would offend some no doubt. If theres anything we're good at in Northern Ireland its getting worked up over stupid stuff.
No he is a proud Irishman and it is Irish soil no matter what you say.
Agreed. Even lineker caught stick yesterday for wording of a tweet
Very true
, I actually think the majority of the population don’t give 2 fecks about most of it, it’s our politicians that amplify everything for their own agenda. How the feck we as a population aren’t up at every day picketing these comedians is astounding.I doubt it's even that mate.
Gary was being a condescending twat though who tried to be smart and got his facts wrong.It wasn't just the wording but I dont like his smugness anyway.
You clearly haven't researched that the poppy isn't only about two world wars . It's about every British serviceman in every country including a country where the very soldiers murdered people on the streets which James is from. Sweet holy Christ how are we still have people commenting on this subject and not knowing the simplest details is beyond belief
Because all the incessant nonsense, whataboutery and back and forth bickering just grinds down any will people have to try to change things. I don't bother even voting, haven't done for years. And i won't until Politics here moves on from DUP/Sinn Fein bickering and political parties based on Nationalist/Unionist ideology in general. So probably not in my lifetime.Very true
Not much of a change there. He done something similar with andy murray too.
Claim everyone from Scotland wales and ni as British when they do well
Can’t disagree with you there, but honestly as a population we should be doing more, myself included. I haven't voted in years either.
Again a pointless argument he or no one from here is going to wear anything where proceeds go to the British Army
We can't make it any more simple than that . It's not hatred or wanting to be martyrs or any other bs you want to come up with.
They massacred innocent people in our towns end of story. Matic doesn't wear one for the same reason .
We all want to move on but it's not going to happen with the same bullying rubbish every year .
You want to wear one then do so no one here cares why feel the need to force us to Wear one?
I suspect he's on a WUM mate. Because he seems to know very little about the Poppy or the ongoing McClean situation.
I’m with you on that one.
Absolutely love Die Hard 1 and 2, so I reckon whatever he says he is on the money. Yipee-Kayay
McClean again suffered vile abuse at a English football ground and not a single thing about it being reported . This is every bit as bad the racism suffered by coloured players which rightly gets highlighted .
*players of colour.
But yes, he should not be receiving abuse and it should be heavily punished, especially when you look at the history of said abuse.
It was on sky sports news today.
There was a stadium announcement during the game asking supporters to stop with the chants.
But yes , it’s totally overlooked but every bit as bad as the Fred incident v City
Agreed. McClean is an absolute hero in my eyes, stands up to his beliefs and doesn't let the sick individuals who pour their bile, ire and hatred upon him bother him.
Yeah he may be a bit of a shitehouse of a player but as a person he is grounded.
It's actually been reported in pretty much every outlet.
"not a single thing"
https://www.skysports.com/football/...ld-investigating-abuse-aimed-at-james-mcclean
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/s...ants-directed-Stoke-winger-James-McClean.html
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/match-halted-over-ira-chant-at-james-mcclean-952fmmsx9
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-s...ectarian-abuse-aimed-at-mcclean-idUKKBN1Z10BM
https://talksport.com/football/650112/james-mcclean-targeted-by-offensivestoke-huddersfield/
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/stoke-city-clash-huddersfield-halted-21198987
It is only being talked about now because he and others have been kicking up a fuss for a long time now asking for more support .
When people start getting arrested for their abuse of him the same way people get arrested for racially abusing black players it will be the correct response
When people start getting arrested for their abuse of him the same way people get arrested for racially abusing black players it will be the correct response
When i didn't hear about him getting his usual abuse over remembrance weekend (he may have been injured) i was hoping that it was finally dying down after nearly a decade. Sadly not it seems.
Sorry I was working that day I'd only seen from the previous night that it wasn't being mentioned. Cheers
The abuse James gets is shocking . He is a great lad who does so much so people less well off . Believe it or not he's not in the IRA nor does he love the IRA.
English people mostly do not understand what it's like to be Irish . Loads listen to rebel songs that doesn't mean we love the RA. But I suppose idiots don't understand or don't care .
English people mostly do not understand what it's like to be Irish . Loads listen to rebel songs that doesn't mean we love the RA. But I suppose idiots don't understand or don't care .
Maybe slightly off topic but I’ve experienced racism & discrimination most of my time and it’s horrific. Unfortunately, It’s the norm for most people now.
I work in the public sector and the worst part is when I have so called “upper” or “middle class” “white” predominately male customers talking to you as if you are a (insert any number of profanities).
The ones that are subtley racist the worst. They won’t make eye contact or look to the side or above me.
You can see in their body language/facial expression they’d prefer to talk to someone else, often surprised to learn I’m the main person in charge.
One of the reasons why I had to leave that job in the end.
So I totally understand how the player feels. They are all these campaigns but honestly I don’t think they make a difference with the people are genuinely set in their ways. Maybe there needs to some other way to tackling it, harsher punishments?
I work in the public sector and the worst part is when I have so called “upper” or “middle class” “white” predominately male customers talking to you as if you are a (insert any number of profanities).
The ones that are subtley racist the worst. They won’t make eye contact or look to the side or above me.
You can see in their body language/facial expression they’d prefer to talk to someone else, often surprised to learn I’m the main person in charge.
One of the reasons why I had to leave that job in the end.
So I totally understand how the player feels. They are all these campaigns but honestly I don’t think they make a difference with the people are genuinely set in their ways. Maybe there needs to some other way to tackling it, harsher punishments?
If you like him or dont, agree with him or don't (and I have almost no knowledge of the whole ni issue so have no opinion either way) you have to respect him for having the courage to say and stand up for what he really feels when the easiest thing is to say nothing.
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