Jarrad Branthwaite | Ornstein: Everton have no intention to sell despite takeover collapse

Whilst we did have the Yoro bid accepted, I can't help but believe we knew he was holding out for Madrid, so we are now hedging. We hope the Yoro bid pressures Everton (as De Ligt is all but announced), and if it doesn't then we are hoping Madrid doesn't want to come in for Yoro at this price when he's on a free in a year's time.

Instead of the Murtough approach of obsessing on one target and just caving after 15 rounds of bidding, we are pressuring Everton and lille at the same time to advantage us in negotiations.

Basic fecking competence is like a soothing tonic for this fanbase, we've been hurt and abused for too long by idiots.
 
Nothing I've seen of Branthwaite makes me feel he is worth anything north of £50 million, if that. I think we're going to end up paying stupid money here.
 
Why are we insisting and wasting our time on a player who's clearly overpriced when we can get say Calafiori for a lower price?

I hate Arsenal having a free run at that guy when he could be a great option for us at both LCB & LB when you take Shaw, Malacia & Martinez's injury records into account. It makes too much sense for us I suppose.

I don't want to moan about the new management yet but this feels like a mistake we would have done a couple of years ago under Woodward & Murtough. Going for overpriced British players when there are much better and cheaper options out there.
 
Why are we insisting and wasting our time on a player who's clearly overpriced when we can get say Calafiori for a lower price?

I hate Arsenal having a free run at that guy when he could be a great option for us at both LCB & LB when you take Shaw, Malacia & Martinez's injury records into account. It makes too much sense for us I suppose.

I don't want to moan about the new management yet but this feels like a mistake we would have done a couple of years ago under Woodward & Murtough. Going for overpriced British players when there are much better and cheaper options out there.
You want to complain about the injury records of Shaw, Malacia and Martinez yet not of Calafiori? Or did you just not know he is also injury prone?
 
You want to complain about the injury records of Shaw, Malacia and Martinez yet not of Calafiori? Or did you just not know he is also injury prone?

I know he did his ACL 6 years ago but didn't miss too many games in the last 2 years as far as I know. I definitely prefer him to Branthwaite.
 
Personally I would look to loan out Kambwala for a season rather than face him sitting around as 6th choice.

CB is one of those position where experience is essential, which is why CBs don’t tend to break through super young unless they are immensely talented and physical, especially at the top clubs. A year at a lower prem team or upper champ team would do Willy the world of good, and he can then come in as the outright 4th choice in a year when Evans and Maguire move on.

Aye. Players only get better if they play. Especially centre backs.

Rude of me. But if he could go to Ipswich and get a game that would be ideal.
 
Nothing I've seen of Branthwaite makes me feel he is worth anything north of £50 million, if that. I think we're going to end up paying stupid money here.
I don’t think we will. We’ll have a Yoro kind of limit with him. €50-55m max. Anything more and we look elsewhere. Already hearing that we’re looking at David Hancko who is a similar profile albeit 26 and does pretty much everything Brantwaite does.
 
I don’t think we will. We’ll have a Yoro kind of limit with him. €50-55m max. Anything more and we look elsewhere. Already hearing that we’re looking at David Hancko who is a similar profile albeit 26 and does pretty much everything Brantwaite does.

Dutch connection with Feyenoord
 
45+5 is a fair offer, that makes him at least in the top 10 of most expensive CBs in the history, I really hope we do not go beyond and look for alternatives
 
It doesn't though. Do you honestly think if Yoro said yes, we'd just feck off De Ligt? Not to mention in what world is De Ligt a back up option to an 18 year old from Ligue 1?
I don’t see an issue in lining up multiple potential targets at once to then ultimately pick which one you want. Think that is quite common to be honest but because it’s us it’s more scrutinised and exposed in the media. Similar happened with Todibo, everyone accepted that he was the backup option if we failed to get our top target. It’s certainly better than how we usually do things when we went from player to player and looked desperate.

As far as Yoro being a top target, just look at the numbers. He’s got a year left on his contract and they’re willing to fork out €50-60 million on him. It’s obvious they think he is the guy to go after. De Ligt is just a seemingly easy signing to make so maybe they just have that on the back burner ready. Not anywhere near as implausible as your making out.
 
Walk Away.
So if you get this dude and De Ligt, what does that mean for all Martinez? A move to midfield or LB? Or a back 3?

Interesting times indeed.

Martinez would be the clear starter the second spot for whoever is in form.
 
That makes no sense to be honest. De Ligt is clearly a signing regardless, not a back up to Yoro.
Are you seriously questioning the credentials of a nineteen year old aspiring journalist called SCOOP who clearly is ITK?
 
Maguire is at least one level about Tarkowski (and i'm not a fan of Maguire).

My point was not to compare or judge by ability...rather that we already have an older CB who performs for us and our MO this summer appears to be targeting players in the age range of 21-25 and trying to tap into current ability/potential rather than *signing* older players who would be on high wages.
 
Although swap deals are pretty rare I would think this would make sense. Maguire would be a top player for Everton.

We'd have to carry on paying his wages and he was our best CB last season.

Lindelof would be a lot more managable for them
 
I don't think Maguire would agree to go to Everton. He refused to go West Ham last summer and Everton are a similar level, if not a level below them. In the end, he got plenty of game time here and I think he'd be hoping for the same this season. Likely to leave on a free at the end of the coming season.

We could try with one of AWB or Lindelof.
 
He is not worth more than De Ligt or Yoro or Calafiori. All going for around 40m.

First of all - it is a bit more complex than that. I would rather argue that someone like De Ligt is undervalued at £40 million - and that is because Bayern wants to get rid of him, whereas Everton badly wants to keep Branthwaite. In addition - signing an English player from an english club will add £ to the total value. We may not like it - but that is the reality we live in.

Does that mean Branthwaite is a better player - no, but it means he will cost more.

HOWEVER - what I reacted to wasn't the fact that you think he is not worth more than De Ligt or Yoro. Well for the reasons I wrote above - he will be more expensive even if he is not better but - I reacted to the fact that you wrote that we will end up signing him for £65 mill - and he is not worth half of that.

Clearly - he is. Cucurella, Fofana, Martinez, Botman, Aguerd, Zinchenko, Gvardiol, Livramento, Disasi, Porro, Van de Ven, Timber, Torres are all defenders who have been sold for £30 million upwards - Branthwaite isn't less talented than all of these players. Is Branthwaite worth £70 million ? Nah. Is Branthwaite worth more than £30 million ? Of course.
 
I spend about an hour every day annoying myself by saying this guy's name in the yokel fashion it demands. In the West Country style, obviously, even though he is "technically" from Cumbria.
 
£50m is already a big offer. Ben White who was a more sought after CB and had a better year at Brighton moved for same sum. We should walk away and let Everton dick around and sell him for half that fee in an year time. Case in point, Antony Gordon. Wanted £80m for him from Chelsea, ended up selling to Newcastle for £40m 6 months later. We should stop negotiating if clubs are this stubborn, move on to new targets.
 
£50m is already a big offer. Ben White who was a more sought after CB and had a better year at Brighton moved for same sum. We should walk away and let Everton dick around and sell him for half that fee in an year time. Case in point, Antony Gordon. Wanted £80m for him from Chelsea, ended up selling to Newcastle for £40m 6 months later. We should stop negotiating if clubs are this stubborn, move on to new targets.
This, we can't allow them to rinse us and run the risk of being stuck with a worthless asset that can't meet the technical requirements of the level we want to operate at. Move on to less risky and cheaper options and keep our powder dry to keep us in position to sign the next best prospect in a year or two. I'd rather we avoid buying from the PL altogether and focus on the continent and South America then use our academy to meet out HG quota needs.
 
Really hope this one breaks down, I don't think he's good enough and 45m plus add-ons is about what he's worth.
 
Whilst we did have the Yoro bid accepted, I can't help but believe we knew he was holding out for Madrid, so we are now hedging. We hope the Yoro bid pressures Everton (as De Ligt is all but announced), and if it doesn't then we are hoping Madrid doesn't want to come in for Yoro at this price when he's on a free in a year's time.

Instead of the Murtough approach of obsessing on one target and just caving after 15 rounds of bidding, we are pressuring Everton and lille at the same time to advantage us in negotiations.

Basic fecking competence is like a soothing tonic for this fanbase, we've been hurt and abused for too long by idiots.

Actually I think our preference is that both Everton and Yoro accept and we sign both, with De Ligt as backup. But while De Ligt is straightforward where we can pull the trigger whenever, we want answers from these two first before doing so. Branthwaite/Martinez/Yoro is in incredibly good 3 man CB rotation that has potential to be the best in the world if the young ones develop like many think they can.

If not, we sign De Ligt and then move on to potentially cheaper young 3rd CB prospect. But Branthwaite and Yoro seem like priority 1 at the moment (as they should be)
 
Really hope this one breaks down, I don't think he's good enough and 45m plus add-ons is about what he's worth.
Yeah, the same. I hate defenders who dive in tackles all the time. That is probably why i am so against this transfer.



Half of these tackles are reckless. 50:50 tackles where it can end with foul or player going through.
 
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He’s not a bad player at all. But when you start to get to £50m fees you want pretty much the whole complete package.

We’re in danger of being taken for silly money for someone who is very solid but not necessarily technically proficient.