If you haven’t been watching they’ve been rebuilding their back room teams too. A good coach can literally build a squad how he sees fit right now. I think they’ll be a decent side within 4-5 years
Jarrad Branthwaite
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
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I don’t think they should have turned it down. They could have gotten just as good a footballer in the continent for a fraction of the fee and invested it, in what has become, a very old squad.
That being said, fair play to them for being brave and sticking to their guns if they believe in him. They dealt with the storm very well and the player seems to have come round.
That being said, fair play to them for being brave and sticking to their guns if they believe in him. They dealt with the storm very well and the player seems to have come round.
Assume there's a reason this is bumped?
80% of this thread is Silent Witness getting really really defensive 
I think it's a fair argument and if I was his agent I would be using it in negotiations
Apparently discussing a new contract with Everton, so not really. He was an ETH signing so not sure why it's still open.
Just trying to indicate the facts.80% of this thread is Silent Witness getting really really defensive
Facts and football forums have no link I'm afraid.
Don’t think United would be interested in Branthwaite anymore to be honest. Yoro was brought in instead and the emergence of Ayden Heaven puts this to bed I suspect.
Why is it daft? You denied him of a dream move because you deemed him legitimately to be in the same price bracket as VVD. If I was his agent, I would expect top dollar for a player who your club rate as amongst the best in the world, given the price tag you placed on him?
That’s exactly how it works. His agent now has a precedent to point to and negotiate from there. Everton made it clear that they expect a world record fee for him (or very close to), you then expect the agent of that player to then accept a salary of a mid range player? No chance.
English, overrated and overpriced? Yeah no thanks. Give me 50 Havens over 1 JB (yes that’s literally how many Havens we could buy with JB’s quote price). Haven will be home grown and seems to have far more quality on the ball than JB.
That's quite misleading. In that time they've had to sell Lukaku, Iwobi, Gordon, Richarlison, Rodriguez, Gueye, Onana, Keen, Digne, Lookman and Ross Barkley in that period. All the while having a few years where they werent allowed to buy anyone because of the corrupt sport we live in.
Say Everton could have kept Richarlison, Gordon, Gueye, Onana and Lookman for example, they ain't finishing 17th and 16th.
Heaven is unproven. He has been able to manage a few games that is all.
To earn VVD kind of money players have to change clubs & players & agents know this. Matheus Cunha was never going to make 200,00 a week at Wolves & that's why he wanted Man Utd. Branthwaites agent can use the VVD comparison in negotiations but everyone knows he'll need to go to Liverpool or Utd to get that kind of money.
The talent is obvious though, I think. He’s had some very strong performances already, including pocketing Watkins in the last game of the season. Let’s give him a chance to shine because he’s down already that there’s something there and he is capable.
That is true, but branthwaite hasn't proven himself in the range of his asking price.
You could get an infinite no. of Messi’s if you think this way.
It may well be a limited sample size but the lad has looked very promising. Put a decent keeper behind him and he will only grow in confidence alongside Yoro especially.
Overpriced - yes
Overrated - a tad
If you reread, I meant in the sense of being homegrown. He is one of the more promising English defensive prospects out there and we’ve always had room for such profiles in our squad.
Heaven is a wonderful addition in that context, kid seems to have all the tools but a long way more to go.
Branthwaite is exactly the type of player we should avoid for several reasons. Other expensive LCBs like Piero Hincapie or Castello Lukeba are worlds better and we should try to get them next summer, but not Branthwaite.
He's overpriced. But he'd be a good signing for us.
He'd be strong in two of the defensive positions, probably would be the long term prospect for the middle centre back position with his box defending
I think he has the athletic profile for the middle CB role but does he have the playmaking ability to coordinate playing out of the press. I think coaches are now using CBs more as their first line playmaker, we have seen this with Yoro and Martinez, so our scouting should focus more on whether a player has the right mix of technical and physical attributes.
No, especially if compared to other options. We should really go for someone like Hincapie, Lukeba, Hato.
For years, many of us here have called for us to stop overspending on overpriced statement signings and find alternatives with potential that are of better value.
Not signing Branthwaite and then signing Heaven seems like a step in that direction and long may it continue.
Agreed
Have we actually been linked with him this summer?
I remember we were linked when ten Hag was manager and reportedly wouldn't sign a new deal unless it matched our offer.
I remember we were linked when ten Hag was manager and reportedly wouldn't sign a new deal unless it matched our offer.
Sorry, but in the age of PSR, these things can't both be true anymore. We need to purchase well, overpaying for a player limits our ability to purchase another.
I'm really glad we didn't sign this guy last year. Feeling really positive about our options at the back right now. We got Yoro and de Ligt each for well under what Everton wanted for him.
Inacio would also be a decent signing. Or Diomande but palace are all over him
Yes, these two also belong to that category.
Agreed. It would be madness to spend top dollar on Branthwaite when we have top CB talents like Yoro and Heaven.
De Ligt is not as good as Branthwaite, and will never be better especially in the Premier League.
Yoro the jury is out, but when you see RM getting Huijsen for 50m, albeit a release clause, you see that Yoro was an overpay too. Potentially 60m?
Branthwaite would be an upgrade on every single UTD defender in my opinion.
I do agree with him being pretty darn expensive though, but that's the market given he's English and i guess Everton are financially stronger than ever now with their new investment.
I think UTD did the right thing in pulling out when Everton ask for crazy money, like Palace/nufc with Guehi. They just are not worth it. Branthwaite>Guehi in my opinion but neither are 70m+.
The issue is while UTD did the right thing with Branthwaite they did the wrong things in the players they bough as alternatives in my book.
I think you are not in the real world. I think he's proven little and if anyone buys him, it's for potential and not for his current level.
He's not proven to be better than de ligt yet, though I think he will be better in time.
I mean one's played 29 appearances in the PL and the other like 70 something, so to my eye he's played long enough to prove to me the level of player he is. To me he's better than De Ligt already. At 22, of course he's a potential signing as well. De Ligt became a big name from his time at Ajax but has done nothing of note since.
Unlike De Ligt, he's got every attribute necessary for the PL, and already at a very high level.
What has De Ligt actually done apart from a good Ajax run in a good team, that's proven since in the main, that it was a sum of all parts. The only one that's doing things now is De Jong and even Barca have wanted rid a few times.
Maybe i'm not from the real world as you say
However, i don't retract anything i've said.He cant even make the England squad ffs. At a time when England have nothing of note in the position.
How so? If Huijsen is worth that much, Yoro is also.
I don't take much note of an England squad at the moment where Henderson and Walker are making squads and actually getting minutes.
Yoro and De ligt don't start for their national teams either not that i care anyway.
I mean one's played 29 appearances in the PL and the other like 70 something, so to my eye he's played long enough to prove to me the level of player he is. To me he's better than De Ligt already. At 22, of course he's a potential signing as well. De Ligt became a big name from his time at Ajax but has done nothing of note since.
Unlike De Ligt, he's got every attribute necessary for the PL, and already at a very high level.
What has De Ligt actually done apart from a good Ajax run in a good team, that's proven since in the main, that it was a sum of all parts. The only one that's doing things now is De Jong and even Barca have wanted rid a few times.
Maybe i'm not from the real world as you say
Respectfully, this is a ridiculous post. De Ligt performed well at Bayern even as far as the director of the club having to comment on the petition fans made to keep him. He was sold on the premise of Kim / Upamecano playing a higher line according to Eberl.
His first season for United was a good one, he's easily the best defender available in the squad. The only issue has been availability at times due to injuries. Branthwaite is a decent prospect, as other stated any club that's in for him is vying for his potential as opposed to his current level. He's a young defender with impetus to improve.
The jury is out on Yoro? He was one of the only positive outcomes in a disaster of a season and he should only get better this season.
De Ligt was a safe bet, him and Mazraoui for £45-50m combined is a good deal, we'd make a return on Mazraoui alone and he's been consistent.
De Ligt has struggled with injuries and I think this season will either be a big season for him, or he'll be sold next summer.
Spurs the team most interested in this link.
Think he'll stay one more season at Everton.
Think he'll stay one more season at Everton.
I'm not huge fan of over focusing on stats, butI mean one's played 29 appearances in the PL and the other like 70 something, so to my eye he's played long enough to prove to me the level of player he is. To me he's better than De Ligt already. At 22, of course he's a potential signing as well. De Ligt became a big name from his time at Ajax but has done nothing of note since.
Unlike De Ligt, he's got every attribute necessary for the PL, and already at a very high level.
What has De Ligt actually done apart from a good Ajax run in a good team, that's proven since in the main, that it was a sum of all parts. The only one that's doing things now is De Jong and even Barca have wanted rid a few times.
Maybe i'm not from the real world as you say
https://fbref.com/en/players/c1949191/Jarrad-Branthwaite
https://fbref.com/en/players/d6e53a3a/Matthijs-de-Ligt
But de ligt isn't amazing as you said, he's solid.
Branthwaite is possible potential.
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