Jason Wilcox - Director of Football

You are assuming that all our signings will click, which never happened even when we were top dogs. I agree the priority is attack but it we abandon our midfield again, we will struggle in the league once more and then blame it on attack, while the actual issue will lie further behind the forward line. Sometimes, a single switch can get the whole team to function properly and without a proper midfield, we will keep struggling, unless you have Messi/Ronaldo level players leading the line.
Far from it, my rule of thumb is that 50% of signings tend not to work out. This is precisely why spreading our resources across too much of the team is a bad idea. We need to invest enough in each area that we can be confident that, even if one or two buys don't work out, we still see an improvement in that area. If we do bring in a trio of new attackers, as we appear to be aiming for, we can reasonably hope at least one or two of them will work out.

And as for your comment about us struggling, well, yes, that will absolutely happen at times, and it will happen because our midfield isn't great. But if we fix midfield instead of attack, then attack will be why we struggle instead. We were 15th last season because we had shortcomings right across the squad, you don't fix that in a single season.
 
I doubt it. He's been with us for 3 seasons and was good in the first and poor to mediocre at best in the last 2. Compare our midfield to the top 4, they're miles better and we need to realize without a top midfield you dont win anything. It has been our obvious weakness for the past years and unless we dont fix it, no striker or winger can help us

He really is not. His legs are well and truly gone and there have been ample games which show that. I cannot believe people still expect a midfield of Bruno/Cas to manage our PL campaign, after what we witnessed last 2 seasons.

Sorry I should have expanded, he is good enough as a rotation option or coming off the bench. Ugarte is the one I worry about being a starting 11 player.
 
50 million signing who doesn’t make touch the pitch for the biggest game of the season. Midfielder who’s scared of the ball, can’t play a pass, can’t carry, can’t shoot. He just runs around kicking shins, and we paid 50m. We had Mejbri who did that for free, and Collyer who’s just as good

Collyer makes no impact on a match. Ugarte has scored at least once. He looks to be better than most United players that are branded as flops. My eyes say he is good, but there will probably someone who has already shown that Ugarte's stats are mediocre.
 
We aren't being linked to any, if that means anything

Means very little at the early stage of the transfer window as we’re working on other areas right now. It’s been reported that we still want a striker, midfielder and a goal keeper after we seal Mbuemo.
 
Casemiro is good enough when he plays 1 game a week.

Last season Casemiro’s best performances were against EL opposition, not the more physical and faster paced PL opposition. That doesn’t bode well for him when we’re only going to be playing PL opposition next season.
 
Maybe I misremember, but I've always found Ugarte satisfactory. Is he really a flop? What do you base this on please?

From watching him. He isn’t press resistant which means he invites pressure instead of relieving pressure, often getting caught in possession with a clumsy touch. He also can’t progress the ball quickly enough through the middle, which contributes to our build up being too slow.
 
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Collyer makes no impact on a match. Ugarte has scored at least once. He looks to be better than most United players that are branded as flops. My eyes say he is good, but there will probably someone who has already shown that Ugarte's stats are mediocre.
Collyer seems identical to Ugarte except less scared on the ball. I’ve never seen a player as talentless as Ugarte play for us, gets repeated a lot but PSG literally sold him after 12 months and we were the only club stupid enough to even register interest. He’ll always be seen as alright or good to United fans because he kicks people, which seems to be important apparently
 
Collyer seems identical to Ugarte except less scared on the ball. I’ve never seen a player as talentless as Ugarte play for us, gets repeated a lot but PSG literally sold him after 12 months and we were the only club stupid enough to even register interest. He’ll always be seen as alright or good to United fans because he kicks people, which seems to be important apparently

Total nonsense
 
Collyer seems identical to Ugarte except less scared on the ball. I’ve never seen a player as talentless as Ugarte play for us, gets repeated a lot but PSG literally sold him after 12 months and we were the only club stupid enough to even register interest. He’ll always be seen as alright or good to United fans because he kicks people, which seems to be important apparently
Absolute bollocks.
 
Collyer seems identical to Ugarte except less scared on the ball. I’ve never seen a player as talentless as Ugarte play for us, gets repeated a lot but PSG literally sold him after 12 months and we were the only club stupid enough to even register interest. He’ll always be seen as alright or good to United fans because he kicks people, which seems to be important apparently

Embarrassing post. Get a grip.
 
Collyer seems identical to Ugarte except less scared on the ball. I’ve never seen a player as talentless as Ugarte play for us, gets repeated a lot but PSG literally sold him after 12 months and we were the only club stupid enough to even register interest. He’ll always be seen as alright or good to United fans because he kicks people, which seems to be important apparently
You’ve no idea what your talking about
 
I still think Ugarte is quite a good player. He's good at the things he is good at. He was definitely the wrong type of midfielder to sign, I was shouted down on here for saying that repeatedly last summer.

He is a decent player though.
 
I still think Ugarte is quite a good player. He's good at the things he is good at. He was definitely the wrong type of midfielder to sign, I was shouted down on here for saying that repeatedly last summer.

He is a decent player though.
He fills in a role in a squad. And like a lot players last season, its hard to say where his limitations end and his teammates' limitations begin.
 
You’ve no idea what your talking about
I guess Luis Enrique also is clueless when he disposed him, called him out and got an upgrade that was one of their key players in the UCL win

Enrique when asked about Ugarte's absence in French Super Cup final against Toulouse:

"Today was great: no lost balls, no mistakes, perfect."

Absolute bollocks.
Go watch the West Ham game where he had the ball facing the opposition goal but decided to shield from the players behind him, loses the ball and then we concede. He’s afraid of the ball, he can’t carry or pass and just invites so much pressure on us. He’s made so many mistakes this season but somehow it’s been swept under the carpet I’ll never know. Brighton home game, Newcastle away and West Ham home just off the top of my head and we paid 50m for him. Our players actively avoid passing to him and when we lose possession he’ll press high alone and they’ll pass around him and we’re open. Occasionally he might throw in a slide tackle which will get the crowd of their seats I get standards have dropped but they can’t have dropped this low. Maybe next season when you see the quality of other players like Cunha/Mbeumo you'll notice how out of his depth Ugarte is.

I'd also like to ask what other top team players a midfielder as limited as he is

He fills in a role in a squad. And like a lot players last season, its hard to say where his limitations end and his teammates' limitations begin.
Another thing that frustrates me, paying that money for a squad filler. That position should be given to an academy player.
 
Bit of an exaggeration. We don't have European games next year, means one game per week. The squad has to be trimmed down.

Assuming we play the same formation we potentially have Mount, Cunha, Mbeumo and Amad for #10. Means, Bruno will drop as midfielder.

Bruno
Case
Ugarte
Collyer
Kone

For 2 positions. Unless Case leaves, we won't add a midfielder.
That’s an awful list of midfielders it’s why cashing in on Bruno made sense, not because he’s not a good player but because we can’t compete with our current options.

Casemiro will get exposed next year like he has for most of the last 18 months in the league. Collyer isn’t good enough and Kone isn’t ready. Which leave Bruno and Ugarte which isn’t bad but there’s not much room for error and both are known to have errors in their games for different reasons.
 
Collyer makes no impact on a match. Ugarte has scored at least once. He looks to be better than most United players that are branded as flops. My eyes say he is good, but there will probably someone who has already shown that Ugarte's stats are mediocre.
The problem is people can't rate players without taking into account their fee.
That can be the only explanation for anyone rating Collyer anywhere near our other mid options. He's done well to get into our squad, but he exists there, doesn't really do much beyond that.

But the alarming thing with Ugarte is that many on here were talking about upgrading him before we'd even signed him! Fingers crossed a more functioning team with actual attackers helps everyone in the team out this season.
Though if Bruno is to be in a 2, his partner needs to be a Keane/Robson regen!
 
Collyer seems identical to Ugarte except less scared on the ball. I’ve never seen a player as talentless as Ugarte play for us, gets repeated a lot but PSG literally sold him after 12 months and we were the only club stupid enough to even register interest. He’ll always be seen as alright or good to United fans because he kicks people, which seems to be important apparently
You are 100% a previously banned poster that just complained about absolutely everything, I literally recognize the way in which you moan about things :lol:
 
Bit of an exaggeration. We don't have European games next year, means one game per week. The squad has to be trimmed down.

Assuming we play the same formation we potentially have Mount, Cunha, Mbeumo and Amad for #10. Means, Bruno will drop as midfielder.

Bruno
Case
Ugarte
Collyer
Kone

For 2 positions. Unless Case leaves, we won't add a midfielder.

This is why we fail as a club. In the era of midfield dominance being key, we have never once had a strong commanding midfield.
 
I guess Luis Enrique also is clueless when he disposed him, called him out and got an upgrade that was one of their key players in the UCL win
that doesn’t say anything. Probably just didn’t fit in his plans. I guess guardiola is clueless aswell for getting rid of palmer who’s shined at Chelsea and shown he’s a top player.
 
that doesn’t say anything. Probably just didn’t fit in his plans. I guess guardiola is clueless aswell for getting rid of palmer who’s shined at Chelsea and shown he’s a top player.
the bloke that allowed Chelsea to sell Salah and KDB must be clueless too.
 
Means very little at the early stage of the transfer window as we’re working on other areas right now. It’s been reported that we still want a striker, midfielder and a goal keeper after we seal Mbuemo.
Yea, im impatient
 
Bit of an exaggeration. We don't have European games next year, means one game per week. The squad has to be trimmed down.

Assuming we play the same formation we potentially have Mount, Cunha, Mbeumo and Amad for #10. Means, Bruno will drop as midfielder.

Bruno
Case
Ugarte
Collyer
Kone

For 2 positions. Unless Case leaves, we won't add a midfielder.
This is an easy fix. Cunha and Mbuemo will be starters. Amad will be RWB and then that just leaves Mount as a rotation option which is good because let’s be honest he’ll get injured in training quite a lot.
 
The problem is people can't rate players without taking into account their fee.
That can be the only explanation for anyone rating Collyer anywhere near our other mid options. He's done well to get into our squad, but he exists there, doesn't really do much beyond that.

But the alarming thing with Ugarte is that many on here were talking about upgrading him before we'd even signed him! Fingers crossed a more functioning team with actual attackers helps everyone in the team out this season.
Though if Bruno is to be in a 2, his partner needs to be a Keane/Robson regen!
That I have never known. Thanks. Good post.
 
From watching him. He isn’t press resistant which means he invites pressure instead of relieving pressure, often getting caught in possession with a clumsy touch. He also can’t progress the ball quickly enough through the middle, which contributes to our build up being too slow.

But he also presses, blocks and links up play a couple of times. Don't these thinks count in your eyes?
 
But he also presses, blocks and links up play a couple of times. Don't these thinks count in your eyes?

Count for what?

I think he’s ok as a fairly limited defensive MF player. But I think we need a lot more than that in midfield to really progress as a team. To progress as a team we need to be much better and more progressive in possession, and I don’t think Ugarte has the skills to get us there.
 
We’ve been spoilt with Carrick. Even he only only started being appreciated when his song was aired at Fulham
 
We’ve been spoilt with Carrick. Even he only only started being appreciated when his song was aired at Fulham

Yep, and we’ve never come close to adequately replacing what he provided. A recurring and weird blind spot under different managers and different operating regimes. It’s hard to see past Wharton as the most obvious young heir currently playing in the PL, and I’d swap Ugarte out for him in a heartbeat.
 
Collyer seems identical to Ugarte except less scared on the ball. I’ve never seen a player as talentless as Ugarte play for us, gets repeated a lot but PSG literally sold him after 12 months and we were the only club stupid enough to even register interest. He’ll always be seen as alright or good to United fans because he kicks people, which seems to be important apparently
When did you first start watching United out of interest? Ugarte doesn't even make the top 50 worst players I've seen in a United shirt.
 
I think his performance has been poor so far. 1 signing in January. 1 signing so far this summer. Zero outgoings.

We dont look any closer to Mbuemo, and there is no noise about alternative targets.

Bearing in mind the amount of change this club needs, progress is slow.
 
I think his performance has been poor so far. 1 signing in January. 1 signing so far this summer. Zero outgoings.

We dont look any closer to Mbuemo, and there is no noise about alternative targets.

Bearing in mind the amount of change this club needs, progress is slow.
Or maybe we aren't bending to the price and negotiating.

Or we are trying to offload someone before we sign Mbuemo, I think we are working on outgoings then 1/2 will come in quickly.
 
I think his performance has been poor so far. 1 signing in January. 1 signing so far this summer. Zero outgoings.

We dont look any closer to Mbuemo, and there is no noise about alternative targets.

Bearing in mind the amount of change this club needs, progress is slow.
We aren't giving into to stupid demands.

Also he's up against it until we get rid of these players who are on bloated wages. It will take a will take time and patience.
 
I think his performance has been poor so far. 1 signing in January. 1 signing so far this summer. Zero outgoings.

We dont look any closer to Mbuemo, and there is no noise about alternative targets.

Bearing in mind the amount of change this club needs, progress is slow.
We actually signed two players in Jan. Heaven and Dorgu. We moved out Rashford and Antony on loan.

Far, far too early to judge the summer transfer window on 20th june. The reality is most things start to move after 1 July.

Who cares about ‘noise’ - hopefully the club is dealing with matters behind the scenes.

Chill out and come back at the end of August.
 
I'm with RedSince82. He should be able to reset the expectations other clubs/players have about United overpaying on transfers/wages whilst also getting things done immediately for great prices. Oh and he should be attracting the best talent despite our current form/lack of European football. Easy job lads. Come on.
 
I think his performance has been poor so far. 1 signing in January. 1 signing so far this summer. Zero outgoings.

We dont look any closer to Mbuemo, and there is no noise about alternative targets.

Bearing in mind the amount of change this club needs, progress is slow.
Rome wasnt built in a day.
 
I appreciate I'm not exactly an Ineos enthusiast at the best of times, But while Wilcox has said some promising things since turning up as technical director, it doesn't exactly fill me with confidence to have a DOF who's sole experience was a year at Southampton.

He managed to activate a release clause early in the window, but we sure could do with speeding up transfer business - particularly sales
 
In 5 weeks he managed to sign one player by activating release clause and sell nobody.

Yeah, you can spin it how you want but SO FAR he is not doing good job.
 
In 5 weeks he managed to sign one player by activating release clause and sell nobody.

Yeah, you can spin it how you want but SO FAR he is not doing good job.

It's not like he has prime Ronaldo ready to be sold. Every single player that we are trying to move has high salary, issue with the manager or only wants transfer to a specific club/ league. Rashford only wants Barca, Sancho wants to stay in Europe top 5 leagues, Garnacho wants only PL club, Antony loves to go to Betis. Some of these players are unsellable, so who has he sold is not a parameter I would take into account when judging him.