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romufc said:
Im sorry but classic number 9 Mateta?

Isnt the job of a 9 to be a goal scorer?

Gyokeres in that regard is miles better
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It depends if it's more of a classic nine or false nine.

Mateta has 30 Premier League goals in his last two seasons, Gyokeres has yet to play at the highest level.
 
MaMa given red said:
It depends if it's more of a classic nine or false nine.

Mateta has 30 Premier League goals in his last two seasons, Gyokeres has yet to play at the highest level.
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You do realise that UCL is a higher level than PL...

What if you extend it to last 4 season, how many goals does he average per season?

The PL is a good level but where does it say a classic 9 has to score PL goals for 2 seasons?

What about the seasons before that when he was getting 5 goals ?
 
romufc said:
You do realise that UCL is a higher level than PL...

What if you extend it to last 4 season, how many goals does he average per season?

The PL is a good level but where does it say a classic 9 has to score PL goals for 2 seasons?

What about the seasons before that when he was getting 5 goals ?
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Ah the "UCL" argument again. It's already been debunked multiple times.

So you're comparing Mateta's last four seasons in the Premier League with Gyokeres last four season's in the Championship and Portuguese league? Do you not see a flaw in that comparison?

It took Mateta a few years to adjust to the Premier League, it could well be the same for Gyokeres. The difference is that Mateta has already proven himself at Palace.
 
MaMa given red said:
Ah the "UCL" argument again. It's already been debunked multiple times.

So you're comparing Mateta's last four seasons in the Premier League with Gyokeres last four season's in the Championship and Portuguese league? Do you not see a flaw in that comparison?

It took Mateta a few years to adjust to the Premier League, it could well be the same for Gyokeres. The difference is that Mateta has already proven himself at Palace.
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I can go back and compare what Mateta did in the Bundesliga too.. shall I?

Its not debunked.. he has scored goals in the CL.. like Mateta has in the PL.

Proven that he can get 15 PL goals... well if you just take that then is Hojlund proven because he has scored 10 PL goals last season?
 
I am definitely one who's nervous about players adapting to the Premier League. But even putting aside the absurd goal numbers, the eye test and looking at underlying stats for Gyokeres tell you that he is on a totally different planet to Mateta.
 
TsuWave said:
I can’t believe how out of order the Mateta hype has gotten

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Still more than Gyokeres has at the same level. Four years ago a Premier League team were selling him to a Championship team because they didn't rate him.

I don't actually think Mateta or Gyokeres are the best option, I'd prefer more of a false nine to link with Cuhna and hopefully Mbeumo. I see shades of Mane and Salah in those two, so I think we need to find the Firminio equivalent to drop off.
 
His stays
TsuWave said:
I can’t believe how out of order the Mateta hype has gotten

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Just looking at Mateta's overall Apps/Goals/Assists in the last 5 years is pretty misleading to be honest.

For the first 3 and 1/2 of those years (essentially until Glasner took over) well over half of those apps are as sub appearances than starts - Only 30 starts, 42 sub apps, 10 goals. Still not great, but nowhere near as bad as suggested by the base line apps/goals stats in the tweet. And he practically had never had an extended run in their team.

Since Glasner took over he has started pretty much every league game when fit and you can split his record since then into 4 sections (5 including France with Olympics) which also help explain why his overall 'numbers' are not as impressive as his performances:

- In the remainer of 23/24 from when Glasner he scored 14 in 16 games. Pretty impressive.
- Led him to be called up as an overage player for France Olympic squad where he scored 5 in 6 games as France reached the final, but that meant he didn't have a pre-season as that didn't finish until mid-August
- So went straight into 24/25 where everyone at Palace had a very underwhelming first half of the season, not helped by a very tough fixture list at the start, and Mateta possibly also quite burnt out. Only scored 4 in his first 17 starts + 2 sub apps.
- Palace started to click, he scored 8 goals in 8 games, but then got the bad head injury
- Quite understandably he was then eased back in and really saved for the FA cup ties since Palace were now safe in the league, not completing a full 90 mins for the rest of the season and scoring 2 in 8 starts, but really performing in semi final and final of the cup.

Tldr;
It's only since Glasner took over at Palace that he's been a regular starter and since then his goals record is pretty impressive, with a couple of lean spells than can be argued were contributed to by burnout from playing all of the games for France at the Olympics right before the start of last season, and the head injury near the end of the season.

I don't really know who I'd prefer out of him or Gyokeres to be honest, having not seen enough of Gyokeres to compare properly, but do think Mateta is quite a lot better than some think he is.
 
You guys can’t be serious about this Mateta shit. Biggest psyop since Darwin Nunez
 
If we got him for £25million with add ons he’d be a decent signing
 
Patchbeard said:
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Just looking at Mateta's overall Apps/Goals/Assists in the last 5 years is pretty misleading to be honest.

For the first 3 and 1/2 of those years (essentially until Glasner took over) well over half of those apps are as sub appearances than starts - Only 30 starts, 42 sub apps, 10 goals. Still not great, but nowhere near as bad as suggested by the base line apps/goals stats in the tweet. And he practically had never had an extended run in their team.

Since Glasner took over he has started pretty much every league game when fit and you can split his record since then into 4 sections (5 including France with Olympics) which also help explain why his overall 'numbers' are not as impressive as his performances:

- In the remainer of 23/24 from when Glasner he scored 14 in 16 games. Pretty impressive.
- Led him to be called up as an overage player for France Olympic squad where he scored 5 in 6 games as France reached the final, but that meant he didn't have a pre-season as that didn't finish until mid-August
- So went straight into 24/25 where everyone at Palace had a very underwhelming first half of the season, not helped by a very tough fixture list at the start, and Mateta possibly also quite burnt out. Only scored 4 in his first 17 starts + 2 sub apps.
- Palace started to click, he scored 8 goals in 8 games, but then got the bad head injury
- Quite understandably he was then eased back in and really saved for the FA cup ties since Palace were now safe in the league, not completing a full 90 mins for the rest of the season and scoring 2 in 8 starts, but really performing in semi final and final of the cup.

Tldr;
It's only since Glasner took over at Palace that he's been a regular starter and since then his goals record is pretty impressive, with a couple of lean spells than can be argued were contributed to by burnout from playing all of the games for France at the Olympics right before the start of last season, and the head injury near the end of the season.

I don't really know who I'd prefer out of him or Gyokeres to be honest, having not seen enough of Gyokeres to compare properly, but do think Mateta is quite a lot better than some think he is.
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I guess it depends on what Amorim wants. Mateta is a really good target player whereas Gyökeres is more mobile. Any of the two would be great.
 
TsuWave said:
You guys can’t be serious about this Mateta shit. Biggest psyop since Darwin Nunez
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I tend to agree. Obviously done very well in the last couple of seasons under Glasner but his numbers in all the previous seasons were extremely unimpressive. It can't really be excused away with him being young either. I think Palace is more or less his level.
 
I'm sure I read loads of tweets saying Mbuemo was available for 40M-50M then as sooon as an actual bid is made the price jumps up to "Lets start negotiations at 70M"
 
Are people are seriously enthusiastic about these links? Always seemed deeply average to me.
 
duffer said:
£25 million is outrageously low. Those add-ons would need to be numerous and easy to hit for Palace to even respond.
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If they want 35, then 30+5 should suffice

Think that’s a bargain

I think the comparison with Gyokeres is hard to make. But based on history of last 2 seasons it’s realistic this guy nets 15 goals a season. That’s pretty good for that fee

Bruno, Mateta, Cunha and Mbeumo. That’s 60-70 goals between them 4 !
 
OverratedOpinion said:
I am definitely one who's nervous about players adapting to the Premier League. But even putting aside the absurd goal numbers, the eye test and looking at underlying stats for Gyokeres tell you that he is on a totally different planet to Mateta.
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I like Mateta’s all round game but his finishing feels quite basic for lack of a better word. He just seems to hit and hope rather than apply any real precision, similar to Delap on that front but he has time to develop that.

Gyokeres seems like a much better finisher and I think he would definitely be worth the risk if it’s between him and Mateta, but I still have some doubts. Different planet might be stretching it haha!
 
witchtrials said:
Are people are seriously enthusiastic about these links? Always seemed deeply average to me.
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Well he’s a much better player than Delap is currently (I know he’s older) and if we got him for a similar price of around 30 million whilst also showing Hojlund the door then that would be a really good move for a couple of seasons.
 
jamesjimmybyrondean said:
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If Gyokeres is a non starter due to funds. Mateta for half the price (presuming Gyokeres is around £65-70mil), isn't a bad shout.

Statman Dave had him as striker purchase this summer in his latest video on who Utd should buy this summer.

He brings alot to the table. Absolute handful for CBs, can hold it up, work the channels, run in behind. Might be the type of striker who allows Cunha and Mbeumo to flourish.

Probably not a 20-25 goals a season striker, but his other attributes may make up for that.

Will be interesting to see if we move for him.
 
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Question - would you buy him and forget Gyokeres, if it meant bringing in a new keeper and deep lying playmaker?
 
He's not a glamorous signing, but if he came in and was a reliable source of 15+ premier league goals, and much better hold up play than Hojlund, he could make a difference in the short term. Having a striker who actually looks like they belong at premier league level, I do wonder if we're in for a pleasant surprise how much of a difference it makes having spent the last 3 seasons watching Weghorst, Hojlund and Zirkzee.

My reservations were around the fee, for £35m it's reasonable but I'd be surprised if we could pull that off with United tax, if he has two years left on his deal.

I think bringing in Mbuemo and Cunha who are a goal threat and really good players kind of offsets the disappointment of not getting a superstar striker (not that there's really many available to us).

Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea all finished top 5 this season without a really elite centre forward. They obviously relied on quality in other areas of the pitch which we may have to resign ourselves to.
 
Dominos said:
He's not a glamorous signing, but if he came in and was a reliable source of 15+ premier league goals, and much better hold up play than Hojlund, he could make a difference in the short term. Having a striker who actually looks like they belong at premier league level, I do wonder if we're in for a pleasant surprise how much of a difference it makes having spent the last 3 seasons watching Weghorst, Hojlund and Zirkzee.

My reservations were around the fee, for £35m it's reasonable but I'd be surprised if we could pull that off with United tax, if he has two years left on his deal.

I think bringing in Mbuemo and Cunha who are a goal threat and really top players kind of offsets the disappointment of not getting a superstar striker (not that there's really many available to us).

Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea all finished top 5 this season without a really elite centre forward. They obviously relied on quality in other areas of the pitch which we may have to resign ourselves to.
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Zirkzee will be a very different player this season if he plays at no9, having Cunha and Mbeumo behind him, who are also capable of making those forward runs allowing zirkzee to drop deep.
 
FujiVice said:
Question - would you buy him and forget Gyokeres, if it meant bringing in a new keeper and deep lying playmaker?
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Yes
I think Gyokeres is probably a better player but if you take penalties out of his record and it starts looking a bit closer to the likes of Mateta and Wissa and the fee and wages will carry a risk. I think Mateta is a pretty safe bet for what he offers. He'd be more of a stopgap and squad player in the long term, I dont see him starting in a champions league final but even then he'd probably be a good bench option.
I'm not convinced Gyokeres is the long term, world class option and everything about the Mateta deal looks more appropriate for a good but not great player.
 
dinostar77 said:
Zirkzee will be a very different player this season if he plays at no9, having Cunha and Mbeumo behind him, who are also capable of making those forward runs allowing zirkzee to drop deep.
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He'll be better, because he can't be any worse, but I'm not a fan of that signing.

His goal record is poor even before he joined us, but almost more importantly than that he doesn't actually have the physical attributes to trouble defenders at this level. No pace to threaten in behind, no pace to trouble defender 1v1, no pace to work himself half a yard to get shots away.

The dream that we can build a team with a striker who poses almost zero threat to the opposition is just a fantasy. Our fans are clinging onto the idea we'll recreate Klopp's Liverpool with Firmino up front but we won't, Zirkzee will get upgraded and shipped out in the next couple of years and we'll file it under another unsuccessful signing.
 
I think Mateta, a midfielder and a GK is far more what we need. Gyökeres is a luxury signing. We need to get into Europe before we entertain buying him
 
Playing for CP is different to playing for Man United, as a lead striker pressure would be huge, only plus side is already played in PL for few seasons with decent tally.
Not impressed with Gyokeres either.
 
No thanks. I’m fully invested in Gyokeres and a top 4 charge… Not this played top 8 push.
 
witchtrials said:
Are people are seriously enthusiastic about these links? Always seemed deeply average to me.
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It’s more palatable at £35 million than £50 million. I still think we’d be looking for an upgrade quite quickly.
 
Mani said:
Playing for CP is different to playing for Man United, as a lead striker pressure would be huge, only plus side is already played in PL for few seasons with decent tally.
Not impressed with Gyokeres either.
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Who would you go for, Mr hard to get?

Btw, I think the pressure would be relative. Ik you have Cunha and Mbeumo behind you, there’s plenty of others to help fix the goals. Totally different from Hojlunds situation this year
 
Big Ron’s Coat said:
Hilariously ironic question considering we are in the Mateta thread.
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If it’s between Mateta and Sorloth, which I sincerely hope it isn’t, I’d pick Mateta any day of the week. He has averaged 15 goals in the premier league meaning the transition won’t be bad especially given we play the same formation. Same can’t be said for a 29 year old coming into the premier league. Such a weird comparison.
 
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