Suv666
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Had to unfollow Rachel Riley today. She posts a lot of bollocks this was the tipping point. Proper nutcase. The pronunciation is thing is mental as well.
Black people and South Africans have pointed out the issue of eraser of their struggle. Who are you or Rachel Riley to say it isn't?That doctored picture of Corbyn doesn't erase black history. Wow.
As I said earlier, nobody cared about the image until it was used to prove Corbyn's antiracist credentials. That's all I am going to say. You can all go back to slagging off Rachel Riley now.
Why don't you use your own logic then, and ignore our comments?Whilst it was ill-advised and rather fecking stupid to do what she did, given her job on the tele, does it really matter to you all what she thinks? Is her opinion that important? The way the "internet" has reacted is laughable.
Oh no. His "logic" only applies to everyone else. Absolutely no bias there.Why don't you use your own logic then, and ignore our comments?
Does it really matter to you what we think? Is our opinion really that important? The way you've reacted is laughable.
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No. It’s not unrelated. It’s relevantly irrelevant.That is completely unrelated to their point. It's better explained here
You can also add the perception that Epstein is your archetypal member of the 'shadowy elite' so some Jewish people probably feel quite sensitive about him being weaponised against them in the Jewish conspiracy narrative. If you believe that Corbyn is an antisemite, as any Jewish people do, it's not difficult to understand their point of view.
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I read it yesterday on BBC news.Wait what? This is the first i'm hearing of it.
This is the problem with the antisemitism issue, especially as someone who isn't affected by it, where can you even go to find impartiality on the subject?
you can have an opinion on it though. It’s ok.I'm not seeing it personally, but i'm not Jewish so it's not my place to say.
If black and South African people say it does, or that they're upset or offended by it, who are you or Riley to tell them otherwise?That doctored picture of Corbyn doesn't erase black history. Wow.
It was a quasi known about photo (hence why it was chosen) but no, no one really cared about the image of Jeremy Corbyn protesting Apartheid, until Rachel Riley wore a T-shirt that for some reason photoshopped the Apartheid context out and replaced it with a made up sentence calling him a racist, in order to centre a blonde haired, blue eyed, attractive Western woman as the victim, who despite the undoubted terrible online abuse she's faced, has still likely significantly less of a grasp on actual, systemic, institutional, day-to-day racism than even most Jewish people, let alone black Africans.As I said earlier, nobody cared about the image until it was used to prove Corbyn's antiracist credentials. That's all I am going to say. You can all go back to slagging off Rachel Riley now.
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Rachel Riley is losing it. Why would you photoshop out an anti apartheid message?
What a nutter. Katie Hopkins level.
Edit: apparently she lost it long ago. Who knew!
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Comments are generally unfavourable because people try to be smart rather than understand the situation. Bezos strongly opposed the "homeless tax" in Seattle and succeeded in repealing it. It was going to raise as much as $50m annually from large businesses of which Amazon is one so while this is welcomed this is very much a token gesture. This is what is behind the post from Corbyn.Corbyn gone after Bezos on Twitter and it's done huge numbers as you might expect. The comments don't look too favourable though. 192k Likes, 36k RT's and counting.
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The gods of Google have decided that I am interested in what the Guardian has to say. So you & me bothThe gods of google have decided (correctly) that I am interested in Corbyn news, but have also decided that the only sources for it should be the Sun, Daily Mail, and Express. Their headlines are quite something - Blair warns against him, MI6 warns against him, his spending plan sucks while the Conservatives are going to deliver more and spend less*, polls show he is losing, and also a Corbyn government will threaten food supplies. Is this close to the usual?
*Reminds me of this.
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Car crash.Jeremy's turn to be on Andrew Neill tonight, BBC1, 7:00pm. Might be a good watch.
Depends if you held out hope he might come back in the polls. Corbyn can only hope Bojo does even worse - what a car crash interview, although I think he polarises so much that it will hardly affect either his supporters or detractors. I doubt it will get many on the fence voters excited though.Jeremy's turn to be on Andrew Neill tonight, BBC1, 7:00pm. Might be a good watch.
Or people who really, REALLY don't trust what Jeremy Corbyn says about jews. That lack of trust is really what this is about.Epstein was a fcuked up borderline deviant. The only people adding ‘Jew’ to that descriptor are the media and weird people with an agenda.
A lack of trust based on what? He is a politician who, for all his many faults, has campaigned for his entire career against racial bigotry. He has openly stated in unequivocal terms his disgust with anti-semitism and has an active record of supporting the Jewish community in his ward. He has presided over the removal of people from the party including his prominent long term colleague Ken Livingstone. On what is this belief that Corbyn is antisemitic based? I've been trying to understand this for a long time and I appear to be completely missing the point.Or people who really, REALLY don't trust what Jeremy Corbyn says about jews. That lack of trust is really what this is about.
1. Backing an offensive antisemitic muralA lack of trust based on what? ... On what is this belief that Corbyn is antisemitic based? I've been trying to understand this for a long time and I appear to be completely missing the point.
Anyone that posts rubbish like that simply doesn’t understand.1. Backing an offensive antisemitic mural
2. Laying wreaths on the graves of anti semitic killers
3. Hanging around with anti jewish terrorists
4. Wriggling away from the IHRA's definition of antisemitism until pressured to
5. EHR investigation into Corbyn's labour party around institutional antisemitism
It's enough to make jewish people not trust him and immediate suspect the worst, whether he (or labour) is actually anti semitic or not.
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This is a ridiculous post.1. Backing an offensive antisemitic mural
2. Laying wreaths on the graves of anti semitic killers
3. Hanging around with anti jewish terrorists
4. Wriggling away from the IHRA's definition of antisemitism until pressured to
5. EHR investigation into Corbyn's labour party around institutional antisemitism
It's enough to make jewish people not trust him and immediate suspect the worst, whether he (or labour) is actually anti semitic or not.
I enjoy reading youtube comments and stuff like thisWhy share this bollocks? Britain first hashtag?
I'm not making this stuff up mate.Anyone that posts rubbish like that simply doesn’t understand.
Every statement was sourced. But again, I am not trying to prove that Corbyn is an anti semite - probably the most charitable way I can put it is he's an old man with a giant blind spot. But I am trying to explain why jews might not trust himThis is a ridiculous post.
Fair enough.I enjoy reading youtube comments and stuff like this
Some Jewish people may not trust him. But plenty do and have come out to support him. Problem is that those people are not plastered all over the media.Every statement was sourced. But again, I am not trying to prove that Corbyn is an anti semite - probably the most charitable way I can put it is he's an old man with a giant blind spot. But I am trying to explain why jews might not trust him
One thing at a time mate. This is the Corbyn thread after all.Some Jewish people may not trust him. But plenty do and have come out to support him. Problem is that those people are not plastered all over the media.
The fact that you are talking mainly about this issue instead of multiple racist statements from Boris Johnson which have been linked to an increase in hate crime, the Tory led windrush scandal and Grenfell is ridiculous.
Not to mention the Tories massive failings across 10 years including lying to the queen to unlawfully suspend parliament in an attempt to subvert democracy, record poverty levels and policies which will increase child poverty and failing to release the report on Russian funding for their party.
Some serious straw-clutching here to put it generously.I'm not making this stuff up mate.
OK, maybe I don't understand. So what about people who might - like, actual jews perhaps, you know, the people who are the targets of antisemitism and presumably know it when they see it? Here's what the Jewish Chronicle said.
Now if Boris Johnson can be labelled an islamophobe for taking the piss out of women who wear the burqa, perhaps Corbyn can be labelled an antisemite for the way he takes the piss out of the jews?
- Throughout his career, he [Corbyn] has allied with and supported antisemites such as Paul Eisen, Stephen Sizer and Raed Salah.
- He has described organisations like Hamas, whose founding charter commits it to the extermination of every Jew on the planet, as his “friends”.
- He has laid a wreath to honour terrorists who have murdered Jews.
- Mr Corbyn and his allies have actively impeded action against the racists.
- [He has] given support to fringe organisations set up solely to deny the existence of Labour antisemitism.
Point is you are so keen to criticise Corbyn you don't apply any balance. But I'm sure you'll take the time to digest the following, one thing at a time?One thing at a time mate. This is the Corbyn thread after all.
I see the astroturfers are out in force.Some serious straw-clutching here to put it generously.
Corbyn has never 'allied' with anti-semites, on the contrary if you studied his history he's campaigned vigorously all forms of bigotry, including anti-semitism. He's also known to be a prominent anti-war activist and advocate of Palestinian rights.
That must be why we see this noble peacemaker so often talking to violent people whose causes he disagrees with (ie never).Unfortunately, when you're involved in such broad movements you're going to inevitably find yourself in proximity to bigoted and extremist morons who piggyback on the same movements to promote their nonsense. And while his use of the words 'friends' is in poor taste, what the accusation always misses is the context of which it was being used - as a diplomatic means of attempting to bring factions around the table for peace talks.
" In 2014, Jeremy Corbyn was pictured holding a wreath in front of a plaque commemorating three Palestinians – including Salah Khalaf, who Israel says was linked to the 1972 Munich massacre. In a later interview, Mr Corbyn said that he did lay “a wreath in memory of all those who have died”. According to a Daily Mail reporter who visited the cemetery, the available photos of Mr Corbyn holding a wreath show him 15 yards away from the memorial plaque for the 1985 victims – but directly in front of the plaque for Salah Khalaf and others.Speaking of context, you threw in the wreath-gate debacle. Again, he wasn't in Tunisia on some 'terrorist-honouring' pilgrimage but a conference on the Palestinian situation, also attended by the US attorney general at the time I should add. The memorial service was for those killed by Israel's bombing of the PLO headquarters in Tunisia, yet the whole thing was twisted to paint it as a memorial service for the Munich bombers, largely after the Daily feckin Mail of all sources decided to lead with the 'story'.
Shall we see what the EHRC says before getting too confident about that?He's not actively impeded racists - he's suspended/banned plenty of party members, including his long-term colleague Ken Livingstone. And I'm not entirely sure which fringe anti-semitic organisations Corbyn has offered his support to either.
This post is from last week, but the issue is lingering on, and imo some rather important things haven't been mentioned so far, so I guess it's fine to respond. I'll try to explain what I believe to be historical reasons for a general alertness over this specific type of pronunciation. My opinion on the Corbyn "incident" at the end.I'm not seeing it personally, but i'm not Jewish so it's not my place to say.