He should have the respect for the party to go immediately, instead of further clinging on.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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Agreed, he is annoyingly stubborn is many regards, he will weirdly see it as "principled" to hang on until next leader is elected but labour will get the ball rolling to get him out in due course, his position is untenable. I think the introspective time has a purpose especially for contesting candidates to get their acts together to mount well thought out leadership challenges but Corbyn is certainly toxic now and he should make way sooner rather than later.
Introspection can be done without him. Any introspection with him will be tainted, get rid of him and McDonnell
I do dislike the man, not least for his dishonesty, but as far as wanting to divide the country goes he doesn't even come close to Thatcher. Corbyn's just a tosser, she was genuine evil.
Where have all his acolytes and apologisers gone now we can roundly say ‘I told you so’? They’re conveniently quiet
Not at all, they're over in the election thread saying the working classes are stupid and easily deceived by the nasty media.
Ah right. Same thing one of my friends is doing, no acknowledgement of the real issue whatsoever.
I'm aware of the process.
But that's just it isn't it? Process, time, introspection. I don't care about people and their doorstep anecdotes nor the moral high ground, Labour have lost the confidence in people. And to think they are going to get that back by doing the same fecking thing over and over is outstandingly myopic.
The Labour bubble is so unbelievably thick, even Boris Johnson sledgehammering it into oblivion hasn't dented it, it seems. BBC/brexit/doorstep challenges/racist/stupidity/centre being dead/weather/etc there's plenty to hide behind and all of those have been wheeled out all while people acting like Labour should stay the same. It's a complete lack of self awareness.
How many times has the leader of the opposition died in office.
My personal favourite is it's now fine to accept you are in a bubble, an echo chamber, yet still can't have the self awareness to think about why that might be an issue debating what should change.
The Labour excuse bingo card has well and truly been stamped too.
Haha, so true.
An immediate leadership contest would probably be a bad thing, tbf. A period of introspection and analysis is needed first lest they make another terrible appointment.
Yep. They'd do well to spend the next year or two doing a bit of soul-searching, while closely monitoring the public's take on how the Tories are going about handling the Brexit withdrawal.
How about NO immediate leadership contest? How about Corbyn does the right thing for once and the party push the narrative that they are going to have a nightwatchmen whilst they do the soul searching?
At least then people would see that they are actually trying to sort their mess out. All Corbyn being in power is doing is further proving people right that they can't be trusted. (and I mean that in their minds before someone does the usual...)
At the moment everyone, and I mean everyone I've talked to in real life have said the same thing. Typical he hasn't gone yet. Anecdotal maybe, but these are people I managed to convince to vote Labour in the first place, people who already say never again. It's a real problem and a Labour party once again showing to be stuck in their ways is just not a good look at all.
At least then people would see that they are actually trying to sort their mess out. All Corbyn being in power is doing is further proving people right that they can't be trusted. (and I mean that in their minds before someone does the usual...)
At the moment everyone, and I mean everyone I've talked to in real life have said the same thing. Typical he hasn't gone yet. Anecdotal maybe, but these are people I managed to convince to vote Labour in the first place, people who already say never again. It's a real problem and a Labour party once again showing to be stuck in their ways is just not a good look at all.
Thing about a caretaker is that it's usually been the deputy leader, of which Labour currently has none. So picking one becomes inherently political.
By the sounds of it the PLP are considering unilaterally choosing a parliamentary leader.
By the sounds of it the PLP are considering unilaterally choosing a parliamentary leader.
Why do you think they won’t make the change swiftly?
Only a few short days ago he was the saviour of our country, now he's back to being the useless unelectable old cnut that he always was. He should take that smug smiling assassin, McDonnell with him too.
Wut?
Moving on Corbyn and replace him with someone else.
One, I didn't say what you think I did.
Two, he is still there, so that answers your question on what you thought I said mate
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Why Jeremy Corbyn Lost. American take.
Would be the wisest move, personally think Thornberry should take on that role for now.
The big issue is Corbyn has no credibility to challenge Boris on anything so staying just lets Boris have a free ride. I expect he'll go next week they're just buying some time for things to form but we'll see.
I believe the nec has power to appoint a temporary leader if Corbyn steps down... But given the momentum infiltration of the nec it would probably be burgon or some other crazy pick
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Next PM questions will be brutal for Jeremy. The smug faces on Johnson and the front bench will be painful to see.
Can he just not bother turning up? He’s got nothing to lose or gain, and he can always deflect by pointing to Boris’ cowardice with Andrew Neil and the other recent debates/interviews he tucked tail on.
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No different to John Major in 97, but there was an underlying respect between him and Blair.
Not sure there was... Especially after this
I do think Blair thought gloating would make him look bad especially as he was the first labour pm in a long time and wanted to look statesman like... And I'm not sure Johnson cares about that so yeah fully expect Johnson to pile on.
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Next PMQs isn't until January. I suspect the poor fellow will be put out of his misery by then.
Thatcher did what had to be done, hard as that was for some sections of the country, and the majority see her as a great PM because of it. She even came ahead of Churchill in a recent Yougov survey of our greatest post-war leaders.
Sanders is light years ahead of Corbyn though
well to be fair Churchills post war political career was basically a defeat and then pm from 1951 to 1955 with some "questionable" attitudes
but certainly post war was very much a footnote to his pre war and wartime political career
There would be absolutely no contest in who would win a most hated survey, you might as well not bother counting anyone else's votes. Thatcher was simply a class warrior who's sole objective was to put the working class back in their place, and she didn't care how much damage she would have to do to the country to achieve that.
Oh I know the people in the towns she killed off (including my own) will always hate her, but the history books will remember her favourably, they already do. The fact is those towns and industries were already dead, she just dealt the final blow.
and lets be honest bolsover, ashfield, mansfield... you wouldn't have found many more anti thatcher places ... large ex mining communities with a real hatred of thatcher - but over the 30 years or more since the miners strikes the demographics have changed and whislt you will find plenty of people in those areas who hate thatcher and hate the conservatives (probably in that order) you also now have 3 conservative MP's representing those areas ... labour cant survive simply on thatcher hatred (the demographics wont allow it) ... corbyn certainly wasnt the solution - an absolutly toxic brand up in this part of the world (even more so than thatcher id say)
you really can tell those who actually lived through the Thatcher or Blair years against those who only know them via social media. Firstly the mining industry was already
dying in the UK. The way Thatcher went about dismantling it was shameful but the power of the Unions just had to be broken. Scargill and Co were twice as dangerous as JC.
Secondly she tapped into the aspirations of the working class with the sale of council houses at a serious discount.....fostering home ownership.
We definitely get very different history books in Ireland.
Decimating all industry in an area and providing nothing (other than disdain) to compensate for the loss of jobs is going over and above doing “what had to be done”.
Of course you do and no reason why not. Much the same as the history books of the UK look on Ireland unsympathetically. After all Eire as a neutral would have been quite happy for Germany to have been victorious in WW2. That is the trouble with entrenched positions on all sides sadly.