Jess Park joins Manchester United

She played well aside from her finishing and final ball. 6 of 7 takeons successful

I'm personally on the fence with her playing right wing though. Bizet had joint 2nd most assists in the league last season with Asseyi with 6 each. She's our fastest player with our best crossing. So for me the right wing was solved last season with Riviere adding another 2 assists and also being good at crossing and the 2 of them being quite good ball winners too. For me the right flank was sorted, the left and central areas needed work. Malard is our top scorer in the league so she also needs games... If theres a way to play Hinata and Park centrally thats what I'd go with for now. And if Malard's form drops maybe use her on the left instead.

Regardless we're scoring plenty of goals other than the Arsenal and Chelsea matches so until that slows down whatever we're doing is fine. I just dont think its optimal and I dont think we'll continue to score so many goals. Only time will tell.
 
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I am seeing a lot of neutral fans saying Park looks like a new player at United, saying she only needed a proper coach to set her free - so Skinner is gaining reputation outside the United fan base :cool::D
 
She's the player I remember coming on against us as a sub and being an absolute menace - playing very much the way she is now for us. If we can turn that drive and skill into solid chances she'll be a great addition.

City tried to change her into a more central player and it blunted her really. Part of the same pattern that made Keira Walsh, Chloe Kelly leave maybe? It'll be interesting to see if Wiegman decides to call her up to one of the England camps.
 
Himannv said:
Clinton is a different sort of player, yes, but I think Park suits our play much more. She’s really skillful with her dribbling and clever with her movement between the lines. Helps with unlocking teams I think.
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Certainly she is more complimentary to Ella Toone. For me, the combo of Miyazawa - Toone - Herland is our optimal attacking spine, and the other attacking players should be chosen from what suits them best according to the opposition. Park looks very promising in that regard, with her movements, her ability to open space for others by passing opponents, and her cooperative mentality.
 
Here's a new piece from goal.com about Jess:

https://www.goal.com/en-us/lists/el...thriving-leaving-man-city/blt819c9099ad5a8b0c

One thing I disagree with: The article states in a couple of places that what was essentially a swap for Clinton didn't help us with our lack-of-depth problem. It's true that it didn't change the number of players on our roster, but we did get cash out of the deal that could be put towards adding more players.
 
Ok, I'll just say it Jess Park > Grace Clinton.
 
euv2 said:
Ok, I'll just say it Jess Park > Grace Clinton.
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Certainly for this team. She not only brings something that we were lacking, but she makes Toone better (much as Russo used to do).

As I've said before, I predict that when all is said and done, Park will wind up as our Player of the Year.
 
euv2 said:
Ok, I'll just say it Jess Park > Grace Clinton.
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Shes had a better start for us than Clinton for City for sure. I think partly due to our early Champions League games allowing Park to get fitness earlier in the season while City started later and Clinton wasnt in the lineup from the beginning. Shes starting now though. Starting earlier may mean that some of our players are more tired later in the season and performances may drop. So that'll be something to keep an eye on

If Park continues scoring and gets the same 8 goals Clinton got last year (she got 1 more in the F.A cup but ill stick to the league) I think she without doubt takes the comparison for season 1. She has 3 in 4 starts with 2 subs so shes on track to meet that target. She also should win the comparison especially earlier on as shes a year older and more experienced
 
United tweeted that she’s withdrawn from the England squad, but they deleted that tweet immediately. Wouldn’t mind her getting some rest. Not sure if it is still about the concussion protocol.
 
jojojo said:
The song book has had a few amendments to make it more family friendly!

It may not sound very necessary, until you visualise a happy little 6 year old actually singing in class on Monday morning:
My old man said be a City fan
etc...

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My old man, said be a city fan

But I said BEG YOUR PARDON, SIR (Pardon, sir!)

Oh I'd rather have a pocket with a big hole in it
Than be a City fan for just one minute

With badges, and cameras, our lovely wifes and manners
We'll show the city fangroup to behave (To behave)

Oh I'd rather have a pocket with a big hole in it
Than be a city fan

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Manchester United Women midfielder Jess Park has withdrawn from the England squad.
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The summer signing from Manchester City has made a positive start to life with the Reds but sustained a delayed concussion following our most recent Barclays WSL game, the 4-1 win at Everton.
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As a result, she did not make the trip to Spain for the UEFA Champions League victory against Atletico Madrid and has not trained with the Reds since the incident.
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Despite reporting to St George's Park on Monday, Jess has still experienced some symptoms.
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The 24-year-old has returned to United to continue her rehabilitation, with our next assignment at Brighton & Hove Albion, early next month.
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That's a shame. Hopefully it's just a matter of her getting some rest and recovery time and we'll see her back in action in November.
 
This raises a few alarming factors, why did Manchester United let Jess Park finish the last 5 minutes in an already decided 4-1 game vs Everton and risked her career and future long term health?

Concussion like symptoms can appear from immediately to 48 hours after impact so it was definitely not safe to let her continue to play and it was also totally meaningless when the game was won. Park even headed a ball after returning!

Pure madness from the United medical staff to let her play the last 5 minutes, I was furious when it happened and I still am! When are english football clubs going to treat concussions seriously?

Also the fact that Manchester United let her travel to national team duty despite having symptoms is also poor judgement, the players long term health should be the priority, not short term friendly games! I am very dissapointed in the clubs handling of this, amateur hour.

Should have just made a concussion/head injury sub and put someone else in the last 5 minutes!
 
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Lightbringer said:
This raises a few alarming factors, why did Manchester United let Jess Park finish the last 5 minutes in an already decided 4-1 game vs Everton and risked her career and future long term health?

Concussion like symptoms can appear from immediately to 48 hours after impact so it was definitely not safe to let her continue to play and it was also totally meaningless when the game was won. Park even headed a ball after returning!

Pure madness from the United medical staff to let her play the last 5 minutes, I was furious when it happened and I still am! When are english football clubs going to treat concussions seriously?

Also the fact that Manchester United let her travel to national team duty despite having symptoms is also poor judgement, the players long term health should be the priority, not short term friendly games! I am very dissapointed in the clubs handling of this, amateur hour.

Should have just made a concussion/head injury sub and put someone else in the last 5 minutes!
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With all due respect, I think you're being a little too cynical. I worry as much about player safety as you or anybody else, but I guess we differ in that I have more faith than you that everyone involved -- from medical staff to managers to the FA -- shares those concerns.

My understanding is that (1) Jess underwent the standard on-field testing protocol immediately and showed no signs of a concussion, and that (2) she didn't experience any symptoms until after she had reported to the England camp and had begun a standard "graded return-to-play assessment." It is also my understanding that concussion symptoms that don't appear until days after an injury is pretty rare, so nobody could have reasonably anticipated that this would occur. It seems to me that everyone followed standard (and rigorous) protocols, and this was just an unusual and unfortunate case.

Assuming that all safety protocols were indeed followed -- and I see no reason to believe otherwise -- I don't know what they should or could have done instead. In order to prevent any such "delayed concussion" issues, however rare, anyone who suffered any kind of head-knock would have to be immediately removed the match and then kept off the training pitch for a week "just in case." That doesn't seem like a practical or reasonable approach to me.

That said, if any evidence were to emerge indicating that proper protocols were not followed in this case, I'll be first in line (or second behind you?) to scream bloody murder.
 
Lobster11 said:
With all due respect, I think you're being a little too cynical. I worry as much about player safety as you or anybody else, but I guess we differ in that I have more faith than you that everyone involved -- from medical staff to managers to the FA -- shares those concerns.

My understanding is that (1) Jess underwent the standard on-field testing protocol immediately and showed no signs of a concussion, and that (2) she didn't experience any symptoms until after she had reported to the England camp and had begun a standard "graded return-to-play assessment." It is also my understanding that concussion symptoms that don't appear until days after an injury is pretty rare, so nobody could have reasonably anticipated that this would occur. It seems to me that everyone followed standard (and rigorous) protocols, and this was just an unusual and unfortunate case.

Assuming that all safety protocols were indeed followed -- and I see no reason to believe otherwise -- I don't know what they should or could have done instead. In order to prevent any such "delayed concussion" issues, however rare, anyone who suffered any kind of head-knock would have to be immediately removed the match and then kept off the training pitch for a week "just in case." That doesn't seem like a practical or reasonable approach to me.

That said, if any evidence were to emerge indicating that proper protocols were not followed in this case, I'll be first in line (or second behind you?) to scream bloody murder.
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First of all, an 80 second check on a player going to down with a possible concussion is not sufficient, especially with both coaches and other United players laughing and joking during that time, which I understand was well meaning, but they are there to do their to job after a head injury. Now the reason Park missed the game vs Atletico Madrid was that she had suffered concussion symptoms so her symptoms with team England was not the first time she had symptoms obviously, she had not recovered from the concussion completely.

"Park reported to St. George’s Park on Monday as part of the 24-player squad to continue her graded return to play but has experienced some symptoms during this process and has returned to her club to continue her rehabilitation.”"

So Man United are sending away a star player recovering from a concussion to the england camp friendly games instead of letting her recover without stress in Manchester?

Delayed concussion symptoms is exactly the reason why you never bring a young star player back into an already finished 4-1 game with 5 minutes left after getting a big blow to the head, you just tell her to play it safe and walk directly to the locker room and wait and see what happens the next few days. That is if you properly care for the players and are not sloppy.

The question that should be asked is, if a player is hit in the head and the game is almost over with the score since long decided, what are the you to gain from putting the player back into risk? Nothing at all, zero. Park could have sat on the bench or went to locker room and the result would not be different. Second Impact Syndrome (SIS) is also a danger if a player take another blow to the head while having a concussion and can lead to immediate death. So you want to play it safe. I also wonder how many of these "delayed concussion" is that the player is not picking up symptoms initially and pushes through making it worse until its very obvious something is wrong. And also we have the "these women are tough" argument that is just terrible. Brain damage does not care how "tough" a player is, it will probably just make them more likely to fight through symptoms and causing themselves more damage!

Also Park clearly had pain in the face or head and thus it can be even harder to know what exactly that pain is coming from and distract from concussion like symptoms, imagine getting your bell rung and then 2 minutes later you are set with making the decision to join play again, not very easy to make. In the NHL Sidney Crosby once returned to a game after blow like this and he ended up missing 18 months because of a meaningless regular season game.

If this was the FIFA World Cup finals with the score 1-1 I could understand this, but in this scenario, it was crazy stupid which I already said immediately when they brought her back on the pitch which I also commented on in the match day thread on this very forum. Did her returning have anything to do with the lengthy absence? We will never know for sure, but I would have loved to not having the sinking feeling in my stomach by United not playing it safe :devil:
 
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@Lobster11 and @Lightbringer

I think you both make valid and detailed arguments but I am sure that United followed all of the correct protocols. They simply would not risk a player's safety, and Park herself would have had a say in the decision to continue playing  and joining up with the England squad. United did not make her play and nor did they send her to St George's.

Head injuries are not always concussion. In the men's game at Anfield, Mac Allister got a bad knock to the head but played on wearing a flimsy bathing cap. He also played again last night.

In the women's rugby world cup, Ellie Kildunne suffered a head injury/concussion v Australia, was taken off and automatically could not play again for 10 days meaning that she missed the quarter final match v Scotland. I accept that you are more likely to suffer further head contact in rugby, so maybe the rules are different.

There seems to be no definitive or logical process. As a precaution there was no need for Park to play for the last 5 minutes, but I'm pretty sure that she'd have said she was okay. I wouldn't accuse United of negligence or not being concerned for a player's welfare.
 
Demon Barber said:
@Lobster11 and @Lightbringer

I think you both make valid and detailed arguments but I am sure that United followed all of the correct protocols. They simply would not risk a player's safety, and Park herself would have had a say in the decision to continue playing  and joining up with the England squad. United did not make her play and nor did they send her to St George's.

Head injuries are not always concussion. In the men's game at Anfield, Mac Allister got a bad knock to the head but played on wearing a flimsy bathing cap. He also played again last night.

In the women's rugby world cup, Ellie Kildunne suffered a head injury/concussion v Australia, was taken off and automatically could not play again for 10 days meaning that she missed the quarter final match v Scotland. I accept that you are more likely to suffer further head contact in rugby, so maybe the rules are different.

There seems to be no definitive or logical process. As a precaution there was no need for Park to play for the last 5 minutes, but I'm pretty sure that she'd have said she was okay. I wouldn't accuse United of negligence or not being concerned for a player's welfare.
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Exactly. I think @Lightbringer's beef is, or should be, with the existing league protocols, not with anyone involved with Jess' particular situation.

Personally, I don't know enough about the details of these protocols, or the neuroscientific research upon which they are based, to have an informed opinion about their adequacy. In football players are sometimes going to bump heads, and some small percentage of these knocks will result in concussions. No system is going to be 100% accurate in detecting these -- especially in unusual "delayed" cases like this one. And I'm not sure how much more rigorous you could make the protocol without creating a host of other problems, like too many players missing too much playing and training time unnecessarily.
 
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Not a bad haul for five months' work.

I'll be very interested to see how all this success translates to the England squad. How much playing time will she get? What position(s) will she be asked to play? Will she be given the freedom that she has at United to do Jess things, or will she be put in a straight jacket as she was at City?
 
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I'll be very interested to see how all this success translates to the England squad. How much playing time will she get? What position(s) will she be asked to play? Will she be given the freedom that she has at United to do Jess things, or will she be put in a straight jacket as she was at City?
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It seems that my questions were answered well today: Jess Park the Lioness looked exactly like Jess Park the Red Devil. And on both sides of the pitch. I'm really happy for her!
 
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