[Adisa]

I think he needs to leave the country.
I saw his post on twitter about BLM and the replies were filled with bile.
I feel for him. It is best for both player and club that he leaves. His relationship with the fans is toxic.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

Mata,Lingard and Perriera must go but in this current Covid-19 climate I'm not expecting much luck in that regard.

I don’t mind keeping Mata as a back-up number 10 under the provision that he never ever plays on the wing again. He could be useful against teams sitting back if it’s just not happening for Bruno.

The other two offer nothing though yeah.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Thought Mata looked way off the pace yesterday.

 

[Dante]

He just doesn't suit your style of play at all. The best part of his game is his work rate or running into space but without the end product to that it isn't useful for you. Sometimes it works out but not at a high enough rate that it is worth having him in the side. I don't advocate the memeing culture that surrounds him and have always tried to defend that as it can play a part in impacting someones mental health but he definitely isn't good enough to be a starter for you and it's getting to the stage where he isn't looking like he's good enough to be a backup either for the wages he would most likely want. I think he'd be fine as a backup for cup games and lower league opposition but he'd want too much money to have that role.

Before people say 'He should go to Everton or a side like yours' - he doesn't suit us either. We have enough players who are runners, we need someone who is capable of creating/a proper CDM as our midfield (similar to you but ours need to be starters).

Excellent post. Spot on with every point.

I think he needs to leave the country.
I saw his post on twitter about BLM and the replies were filled with bile.
I feel for him. It is best for both player and club that he leaves. His relationship with the fans is toxic.

I know what you're saying, and I agree.

But I think the word reception would be more apt than the word relationship. The toxicity is coming from the fanbase not from Lingard himself.

The situation is depressing (figuratively for me, but literally for him).

 

[McGrathsipan]

He just doesn't suit your style of play at all. The best part of his game is his work rate or running into space but without the end product to that it isn't useful for you. Sometimes it works out but not at a high enough rate that it is worth having him in the side. I don't advocate the memeing culture that surrounds him and have always tried to defend that as it can play a part in impacting someones mental health but he definitely isn't good enough to be a starter for you and it's getting to the stage where he isn't looking like he's good enough to be a backup either for the wages he would most likely want. I think he'd be fine as a backup for cup games and lower league opposition but he'd want too much money to have that role.

Before people say 'He should go to Everton or a side like yours' - he doesn't suit us either. We have enough players who are runners, we need someone who is capable of creating/a proper CDM as our midfield (similar to you but ours need to be starters).

He's not good enough for any Prem team. For the likes of you guys,well for any club actually,you want to sign players that will push you on. If I was an Everton fan I'd be annoyed if Lingard was signed much the same as if I was a fan of club that's in a relegation battle. I wouldn't think oh here comes the quality we need to avoid relegation.

I think his days are numbered at United and rightly so

 

[Red00012]

To be fair this was his first game after months.

Ya and his form up to Covid and the last 2 years was good right ?

 

[Still ill]

I feel sorry for him. He looks a shadow of the guy he was a couple of years ago. The bounce, the confidence is gone. Hard to see him resurrecting his career anywhere in the Premier league. Hopefully he gets a move that suits him.

 

[ghaliboy]

I think he needs to leave the country.
I saw his post on twitter about BLM and the replies were filled with bile.
I feel for him. It is best for both player and club that he leaves. His relationship with the fans is toxic.

Weird flex. Embarrassing rabid weirdo fans shouldn't really be his problem and the catalyst to leave.

He was alright yesterday, I don't really know if "I want him to do well because he's a trier" really justifies him being in the team though. He plays like Bruno but about two tiers shitter.

 

[Class of 63]

It’s nowhere near the hate pogba received.
Pogba was always a good player but jesse just clearly doesn’t have it anymore.

you say it was a 6/10 performance but seriously as an attacking player (he played LW) what did he do all match?

the only attacking play I can remember was the dribble through the middle in the first few minutes. After that he literally contributed nothing apart from slowing down attacks or passing overly safe.

as somebody else stated about similarly to pereira he’s a specialist at nothing. The only above average trait is his work rate but you can find any old premier league player to do that.

right now in the league there’s probably 10 wingers I’d take over him outside the top 6 and that says something.

Pogba, no comment

I don't think anybody played well yesterday and having watched it again i'd say 5/10 is fairer for Lingard, he started well then visibly faded which wasn't a surprise because it was his first start in months, and he'd been ill recently as well.

He's not a winger, and never has been.

 

[LJJT]

We've already tried him there. He's Crap. Doesn't matter where we play him, he's not suddenly going to turn into a good player. We just need to get rid and be done with it. We've apparently got strength in depth but it's mostly a bench half full of players that aren't good enough for us anymore when we are playing our best team.

Agree in many ways I fear he isn’t good enough and hasn’t been for 18 months but he’s got some qualities and had some really good games at times. I don’t recall him playing out on the right apart from his early days but I’d be keen to see him there in this team now which is far better than pre Christmas. He’s got great energy, good positioning, I think he can deliver crosses in to spaces which suits him more than precise tica taca he tries and fails to play. I just feel he’s got too much to give up on. Granted, I’m maybe clutching at straws a bit but wide right is our weakest area

 

[simonhch]

You're correct about the rotation of the squad.

I still don't see anyone buying him for next season, especially when factoring in his salary. Post pandemic clubs aren't going to be spending money like drunken sailors or bored housewives any more.

Agreed that there are challenges in moving him on. I do believe, however, that most players will decide to leave - if they can get a comparable (including slightly less) salary - if they are assured they will not be playing if they stay. Most players want to play, especially someone like Lingard who is driven by development of his personally brand.

I think a likely outcome is that if the club get 20m for him, they pay Jesse out 500k - 1mm to cover any difference in the remaining year of his contract. It’ll create greater net value for the club than having to trigger the optional 5th year on his contract next summer, having by then paid him an additional 4.8mm to have barely played. Not to mention it being harder to command a decent transfer fee.

From the club’s perspective, his 1+1 contract situation makes this the perfect summer to sell him, even if it requires a small compensation payment to him. I think a 27 year old home grown player, with his level of experience, and a super aggressive agent like Raiola - who will want a transfer fee commission- is going to have no trouble securing a move.

 

[simonhch]

Agree in many ways I fear he isn’t good enough and hasn’t been for 18 months but he’s got some qualities and had some really good games at times. I don’t recall him playing out on the right apart from his early days but I’d be keen to see him there in this team now which is far better than pre Christmas. He’s got great energy, good positioning, I think he can deliver crosses in to spaces which suits him more than precise tica taca he tries and fails to play. I just feel he’s got too much to give up on. Granted, I’m maybe clutching at straws a bit but wide right is our weakest area

Jesse’s greatest quality was always his work rate and running off the ball. In theory, a player who makes other players better by covering ground they don’t, taking up positions and doing the dirty work of more offensively talented colleagues. All while still being able to offer some marginal/reasonable threat of his own. He had the opportunity to be this generation’s Ji-Sung Park. A player other players love to play with.

Somewhere along the line though he became enamoured with his own legend. When he was at his best, he would run tirelessly and unselfishly off the ball, making simple touches and dragging opposition players out of position. He would carry the ball well and release it quickly to better positioned team mates. Only driving forwards and being the tip of the spear when a clear opportunity presented itself.

When you watch him play now it is easy to see that he is trying to be do much more. He is trying to playmake, and consequently holds onto the ball for ages, often killing attacks. He dribbles down blind alleys, and fruitlessly tries to take on multiple opponents. The selflessness has gone.

His is a mental issue, not a talent one. He has the talent to be a very useful and valuable squad player by focusing and improving on being the player he once was, rather than the creative, flashy, branded player he wants to be.

My gut tells me this one is a lost cause.

 

[Red Stone]

What would it be over the last 7 or 8 games? No cheating and counting on your fingers.

I wouldn't need any fingers to give your posts in this thread a rating.

 

[Snuffkin]

Another United player England have ruined.

 

[E-mal]

I daren't ask what your job is, but I suggest a career change sharpish

Name me one current professional player that deserves what he is being paid?

Not really, my job requires saving peoples' lives and if am that incompetent then you can imagine the consequences. He is bad mate, Pogba and Martial have often been criticized for their lack of commitment and Jesse is just taking the piss now with this performance.

 

[McGrathsipan]

Agreed that there are challenges in moving him on. I do believe, however, that most players will decide to leave - if they can get a comparable (including slightly less) salary - if they are assured they will not be playing if they stay. Most players want to play, especially someone like Lingard who is driven by development of his personally brand.

I think a likely outcome is that if the club get 20m for him, they pay Jesse out 500k - 1mm to cover any difference in the remaining year of his contract. It’ll create greater net value for the club than having to trigger the optional 5th year on his contract next summer, having by then paid him an additional 4.8mm to have barely played. Not to mention it being harder to command a decent transfer fee.

From the club’s perspective, his 1+1 contract situation makes this the perfect summer to sell him, even if it requires a small compensation payment to him. I think a 27 year old home grown player, with his level of experience, and a super aggressive agent like Raiola - who will want a transfer fee commission- is going to have no trouble securing a move.

Maybe a move to Spain or Italy but I can't see any PL club moving for him.

 

[stevoc]

The likes of Lingard is why Utd have a long road back to success. He believes his own hype and instead of knuckling down and improving as a player he is too busy with his clothing line and social media disregarding the fact the only reason he can do those things is due to him playing for Man Utd.

He needs to go and if teams will take Danny Welbeck on you can be rest assured there will be someone gullible/desperate enough to take Lingard on too.

To be fair on the rare occasions he's fit Welbeck is twice the player Lingard is.

 

[El Jefe]

He just doesn't suit your style of play at all. The best part of his game is his work rate or running into space but without the end product to that it isn't useful for you. Sometimes it works out but not at a high enough rate that it is worth having him in the side. I don't advocate the memeing culture that surrounds him and have always tried to defend that as it can play a part in impacting someones mental health but he definitely isn't good enough to be a starter for you and it's getting to the stage where he isn't looking like he's good enough to be a backup either for the wages he would most likely want. I think he'd be fine as a backup for cup games and lower league opposition but he'd want too much money to have that role.

Before people say 'He should go to Everton or a side like yours' - he doesn't suit us either. We have enough players who are runners, we need someone who is capable of creating/a proper CDM as our midfield (similar to you but ours need to be starters).

I don't agree with this tbh, he's just a really bad player at the moment. All the academy lads fit into our style of play like a glove and Jesse was no different when he was playing well. He still makes the runs and has his high work rate but does nothing with the ball when he gets it or has a heavy touch and loses it.

The truth is he's just not good enough for us and he probably knows it which is making him perform a lot worse. Watford is more his level right now and he'd have a chance of recovering his old form there.

 

[Utdstar01]

Went back and watched a few of his games for the reserves and Academy the other day and he just looks a completely different player technically to back then.

 

[BenitoSTARR]

Controversial opinion time - I thinI Lingards offensive movement has regressed since we last saw him. Work rate hasn’t changed but I think the confidence in his runs and attacking play is shot. I used to praise him for making the right movements and at least trying to be in the right areas but I felt yesterday he was hiding away from offensive responsibility and less willing to make a really offensive action.

Thoughts?

 

[Hester_manc]

Lingard has had some good moments from time to time for United, but not for a long time. These good moments are not enough to play for a team, that want to improve so they can compete for the title. We have to replace him this summer. Time is up for a player like Lingard in United, if we want to improve.

 

[Class of 63]

I wouldn't need any fingers to give your posts in this thread a rating.

Why would you start with your toes first?

 

[SilentWitness]

I don't agree with this tbh, he's just a really bad player at the moment. All the academy lads fit into our style of play like a glove and Jesse was no different when he was playing well. He still makes the runs and has his high work rate but does nothing with the ball when he gets it or has a heavy touch and loses it.

The truth is he's just not good enough for us and he probably knows it which is making him perform a lot worse. Watford is more his level right now and he'd have a chance of recovering his old form there.

To suit your style of play he needs to be more than just a runner or have a high work rate. He suits 3-5-2/5-3-2 far more than 4-3-3 or 4-3-2-1.

 

[GifLord]

Flashes of the old Jesse Lingard only highlight how his powers have faded @ Guardian

There was a moment early on in Manchester United’s drawn-out win at Norwich when Jesse Lingard picked up the ball on the edge of the box, feinted right, jinked left and, with a rapid shuffle of his feet, glided past Timm Klose. It was a welcome reminder of the player he used to be. What followed in a generally drab United performance was a less welcome reminder of the player he has been over the past year.

 

[Class of 63]

Not really, my job requires saving peoples' lives and if am that incompetent then you can imagine the consequences. He is bad mate, Pogba and Martial have often been criticized for their lack of commitment and Jesse is just taking the piss now with this performance.

His times up at United and deep down he probably knows it, but he wasn't the worst United performer yesterday, not even close, and considering it was his first games for months he did okay, but once the fall-guy ....

 

[MadDogg]

Jesse’s greatest quality was always his work rate and running off the ball. In theory, a player who makes other players better by covering ground they don’t, taking up positions and doing the dirty work of more offensively talented colleagues. All while still being able to offer some marginal/reasonable threat of his own. He had the opportunity to be this generation’s Ji-Sung Park. A player other players love to play with.

Somewhere along the line though he became enamoured with his own legend. When he was at his best, he would run tirelessly and unselfishly off the ball, making simple touches and dragging opposition players out of position. He would carry the ball well and release it quickly to better positioned team mates. Only driving forwards and being the tip of the spear when a clear opportunity presented itself.

When you watch him play now it is easy to see that he is trying to be do much more. He is trying to playmake, and consequently holds onto the ball for ages, often killing attacks. He dribbles down blind alleys, and fruitlessly tries to take on multiple opponents. The selflessness has gone.

His is a mental issue, not a talent one. He has the talent to be a very useful and valuable squad player by focusing and improving on being the player he once was, rather than the creative, flashy, branded player he wants to be.

My gut tells me this one is a lost cause.

I agree with the end result, but not necessarily the cause.

Rather than getting a big head, I think it's a complete loss of confidence that has led him to this point. Confidence and morale is such a huge thing in football, when they are high everything feels easy and you feel a good couple of steps faster. But when they are low everything just slows down and you start messing up things you could normally do in your sleep, you start second-guessing yourself and making the wrong decisions.

He started the season in very poor form and having problems in his personal life, and then the fans really started piling in on him. It just snowballed from there.

 

[Tom Cato]

I think he needs to leave the country.
I saw his post on twitter about BLM and the replies were filled with bile.
I feel for him. It is best for both player and club that he leaves. His relationship with the fans is toxic.

Considering the only thing that Jesse has done is live life like a normal guy in his 20's who happens to have a instagram account, fans who hate on him for his person can f right off. Being negative about his footballing prowess is completely fine, he' lost all credibility there, but hating on Jesse for simply being himself? That's what lowlifes do.

 

[Class of 63]

I agree with the end result, but not necessarily the cause.

Rather than getting a big head, I think it's a complete loss of confidence that has led him to this point. Confidence and morale is such a huge thing in football, when they are high everything feels easy and you feel a good couple of steps faster. But when they are low everything just slows down and you start messing up things you could normally do in your sleep, you start second-guessing yourself and making the wrong decisions.

He started the season in very poor form and having problems in his personal life, and then the fans really started piling in on him. It just snowballed from there.

Post of the thread so far.

 

[Stobzilla]

I agree with the end result, but not necessarily the cause.

Rather than getting a big head, I think it's a complete loss of confidence that has led him to this point. Confidence and morale is such a huge thing in football, when they are high everything feels easy and you feel a good couple of steps faster. But when they are low everything just slows down and you start messing up things you could normally do in your sleep, you start second-guessing yourself and making the wrong decisions.

He started the season in very poor form and having problems in his personal life, and then the fans really started piling in on him. It just snowballed from there.

Agree.

Agree also with a lot with the post of @simonhch

Jesse is playing like someone who believes he needs to do something special to regain his confidence, rather than just going back to the simple things he was doing which made him useful.

He is playing like he believes his worth should be measured in the goals and assists column's. That was never his game and it is quite sad to see because now he is just digging his own hole.

Our goal against Wolves away is a perfect example of what he does well, picks up the ball, fronts up defence, moves the ball quickly to Rashford, played into Martial, goal.

It seems inconsequential, but it's something he does a lot of and the goal doesn't happen without his contribution. No glory or stat is associated with it though, so it is easy to brush aside.

 

[GiddyUp]

Don't recall saying he was good, bad or ugly yesterday, you're the one trying to impress your Lingard is shit brigade buddies giving him 0

He did okay yesterday considering all the attention heaped on him pre-match, a safe 6/10 from me.

6/10???? No fecking words.

 

[Class of 63]

6/10???? No fecking words.

Go on then, not that i'm interested like, but how many would you have given him?

 

[No-Internet]

Lingard really should go church every Sunday and thank the Lord he slipped through the net to become a footballer

Let's be honest We would all love to be getting paid millions to play football even though we are not good enough,and to play for man utd aswell Jesse really won the lottery, every now and then one of us accidentally slip through... Lingard is one of them.

I'm being brutally honest.

 

[Stadjer]

Controversial opinion time - I thinI Lingards offensive movement has regressed since we last saw him. Work rate hasn’t changed but I think the confidence in his runs and attacking play is shot. I used to praise him for making the right movements and at least trying to be in the right areas but I felt yesterday he was hiding away from offensive responsibility and less willing to make a really offensive action.

Thoughts?

He has been doing that for a while now. His so called world class movement is now used to run away from the ball or get into positions where he can play a safe ball sideways.

He still runs a lot like he used to do but it doesnt benefit the team much. Besides that the praise he got when he wasnt completely useless because of so called movement was way over the top too.

Very average player who is very lucky he came from the academy during a period that Manchester United hasnt been good. He is a midtable player at the very best.

 

[GiddyUp]

Go on then, not that i'm interested like, but how many would you have given him?

Maximum 5/10 (4 but a little extra for that bit if skill). If you gave him 6 you would have to give every Norwich player a 7 because outside of the sending off not one of them played worse than Lingard or Mata.
I think you are just trying to be a dick to be honest.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

I gave Lingard a 5/10 yesterday. Usually a win'll get you 6, but for me he was largely invisible and that equals minus one point.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

Controversial opinion time - I thinI Lingards offensive movement has regressed since we last saw him. Work rate hasn’t changed but I think the confidence in his runs and attacking play is shot. I used to praise him for making the right movements and at least trying to be in the right areas but I felt yesterday he was hiding away from offensive responsibility and less willing to make a really offensive action.

Thoughts?

I agree with you although it has been the same for most of the season.
I wonder if he gets the right instructions on how to move or if he just does it himself.
He is not alone in not making the best runs we have seen the same with Martial and Rashford too.

 

[fergies coat]

Can somebody get his all time stats for us? They've got to be bad. He's a championship player at best.

 

[Coops73]

Seemed anonymous yesterday, he usually runs a lot, pulls defenders about that have to track those runs but I don’t really recall him doing much of that yesterday and I think we need more than that from players at United.

 

[GifLord]

Since when does he have 32 goals?
https://www.premierleague.com/players/4337/Jesse-Lingard/overview

 

[fergies coat]

Since when does he have 32 goals?
https://www.premierleague.com/players/4337/Jesse-Lingard/overview

I was expecting worse than that.