Apparently he didn't want to go to WHU
https://www.90min.com/posts/man-utd-transfer-news-jesse-lingard-west-ham-return
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https://www.90min.com/posts/man-utd-transfer-news-jesse-lingard-west-ham-return
I find its really unfair that Lingard is coming on at nearly every half time when I think that VDB at L/R-CAM is arguably the same goalscorer type player, with better ability on the ball, better passing and better defensive ability aswell. Definitely better intelligence too.
I don't think VDB should play deep as he did yesterday but you would argue that Ole put Jessie on because he is a hard working goal scoring player - that is exactly what VDB is to me.
I don't think VDB should play deep as he did yesterday but you would argue that Ole put Jessie on because he is a hard working goal scoring player - that is exactly what VDB is to me.
It’s not unfair on a footballer to play him
VdB himself said he's happy / good enough to play #6 / #8 in our system. We tried him in Bruno's role a couple of times (hybrid 10 / second striker types) and you just don't get that level of creativity from him.
Have to disagree that he's better than Lingard on the wings - but even if he is marginally better, we easily have enough cover there now - Sancho, Greenwood, Pogba, Rashford, Lingard can all play there. He might get a few mins here or there but I don't think he's even a serious backup candidate in that role.
Which is not smart by him, unless Ole has promised him game time, which is not smart by Ole. He should be aware and Ole should be aware that he's giong to be crushed by the wight of expectation and the simple matter that he is not good enough.
The sort of thing that happened yesterday has happened to the best of them (Keane and Scholes) so, although it's annoying, it's just one of those crappy things that happens. For his own sake I hope he runs his contract down or leaves in January. A fresh start would do him wonders and it'd be wages off our books.
This is the absolute worst time to be critical of Lingard. Footballers, good or bad, can make mistakes. We’ll need him to keep his confidence up as he will be a very useful squad player throughout the season and if we are to win trophies, we need the entire squad to be firing all cylinders.
He won't be.
Unless your definition of useful is a small contribution to GD by scoring a 3rd or 4th goal in games we're already winning.
What are you basing that on?
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Fecking gash
Whether he will be a squad player or whether he will be useful?
He is in our squad so he is a squad player. He can cover for multiple positions and found some form for West Ham. He struggled for confidence before his loan spell but we saw a different player when the manager showed some faith in him.
You have no idea how much I would love to have Roy Keane in that dressing room right now, be it as a captain or as the assistant manager to keep everyone in check just like any tough assistant manager or captain we used to have. IMHO, Lingard has wasted himself like Kieran Richardson did before him; neither was consumate enough as a professional for Manchester United. This club has no room for anybody unwilling to grow up, especially at age 28.
Indeed. Lingard himself should know better than anyone that his future is not at United, but Ole is also fooling himself by taking a chance that is bound to be wasted.
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Seems in character with thinking he's too good for West Ham and copying Ronaldo's celebration after scoring against 156th ranked Andorra who slugs it out with the likes of New Caledonia and the Maldives.
I wonder when young Jessie is going to get frozen out of the squad, he’ll be free in 9 months and seems a tad pointless playing him and not just throwing in the likes of Mejbri etc to gain valuable experience?
Don't know if they were just wumming, but some posters were saying he's been offered a new contract. If true, I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.
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Unfortunate that he probably got hit with loads of despicable messages on social media after the error.
I still don't think he should see a lot of meaningful minutes this season, but if he does, hopefully he bounces back quick from this mistake and plays well.
Just confirmed by Ole club are looking to extend.
We should have been spanning them regardless but we had what, 2 efforts on goal?
there are still plenty of matches left to ensure we go through the group but we need to up our game
Unbelievable Jeff!
I am not big fan of Ole when it comes
1-His tactical knowlege
2 - Giving big contracts to mediocre players .instead of getting rid of them This makes our team maximum fourth in the league - not a contender for the title. Players like Henderson.jones..mata..lingaard..Bailly..Fred..Matic...the list goes on..ofcourse you need a squad but there are too many average players.
I am also concerned as a fan that Ole will not get the sack so long as we finish fourth every season..
1-His tactical knowlege
2 - Giving big contracts to mediocre players .instead of getting rid of them This makes our team maximum fourth in the league - not a contender for the title. Players like Henderson.jones..mata..lingaard..Bailly..Fred..Matic...the list goes on..ofcourse you need a squad but there are too many average players.
I am also concerned as a fan that Ole will not get the sack so long as we finish fourth every season..
Ah shit. Here we go again.
Good to keep the young players, one for the future.
Mistakes happen, but the norm is to hold your hands up, apoligize, then move on.
Lingard decides not to apologize, makes it all about himself and uses the usual cliché rubbish.
I find it unbelievable how people accept and support this.
I honestly don't care what he does or says on social media. I imagine most don't.
What I do care about is that he's not good enough to be here and it is time for him to leave, but we're insistent on keeping deadwood.
It's clearly sympathy baiting, and it's working very well from seeing all the replies on Twitter and here.
The United website is full of Lingard stories regarding 'bouncing back' and 'we win and lose together'. Did de Gea receive as much support when he missed the decisive penalty in the Europa League Final?
They already know he's going to stay beyond this season and are trying to make the decision to give him a new contract less of a shock.
We never learnIt really is a pathetic indictment against the club that we’ve offered Lingard a contract extension. And worse, that we’re playing Lingard as an inducement to get him to sign the contract extension, which — absurdity on top of insanity — he refuses to sign absent assurances from the manager regarding playing time.
The path forward is to withdraw the contract extension, bench him for a long spell and let him walk on a free. We have work to do.
The path forward is to withdraw the contract extension, bench him for a long spell and let him walk on a free. We have work to do.
you shouldn't be turning in the 95th minute unless you're xavi or scholes.
clear it. do a proper backpass. whatever.
This. If I had to do it all over again, I would have kept Daniel James for the time being as means to force Lingard out of the door.
Someone above mentioned his celebration against Andorra as a reflection of how immature of a character he is, and I have to agree with that. The guy is about to turn 29 in December, and there is just no way he can turn over a new leaf if he has not shown more maturity both as a footballer and as a person by now. He's not so different from Kieran Richardson after all, and I rate Richardson among the worst disappointments among Academy players who made it all the way to the first team with a lot of promising parts.
Thinking there might have been a mitigating factor or some rational explanation, I just watched the Lingard fiasco again.
Everything that can be said has been said, but I’ll sum it up in two words: fukking hell.
Ole has to enforce some kind of accountability after something like this happens.
Everything that can be said has been said, but I’ll sum it up in two words: fukking hell.
Ole has to enforce some kind of accountability after something like this happens.
I still recall Tim Howard having that unfortunate save vs FC Porto... He was f*ckin gone, even though he was still in a club for a bit longer, everyone knew it's somewhat slow death of his time in United. Sir Alex and his lightning ability to correct his own mistakes was motivator on it's own.
That being said, I've got a weird feeling Lingard would rather end his career now in United, than go somewhere else.
I'm no fan of Lingard but I honestly couldn't care less if he apologizes or not. I just wish he wasn't getting minutes for us.
I'm not overly annoyed that he didn't apologize. It's mostly empty words from footballers on social media, written by someone on their payroll. I just wanted to oppose the majority of supportive messages in response to the Tweet which I simply found attention seeking.
Can't wait for both Cavani and Rashford to be fit enough for the matchday squad. Lingard shouldn't get any minutes then, but we all know what Ole is like...
So according to Moyes, Ole had always planned to keep him.
Feck sakes.
We've been stuck with deadwood players dating back to Ferguson and every time it gets harder to get rid. From Anderson and Cleverley to Sanchez, Smalling, Young and now Jones and fecking Lingard.
But Ole wants to keep him.
I don't get it. Other than a few goals against Arsenal and other small clubs he's done absolutely sod all for us. He isn't even that talented a footballer.
The disparity in quality between him and Bruno is absolutely ridiculous.
Why are we keeping him when his wages and fee could have been used in future for another priority position?
Lingard, Mata, Matic, Jones..
What are we building a collection again?
Feck sakes.
We've been stuck with deadwood players dating back to Ferguson and every time it gets harder to get rid. From Anderson and Cleverley to Sanchez, Smalling, Young and now Jones and fecking Lingard.
But Ole wants to keep him.
I don't get it. Other than a few goals against Arsenal and other small clubs he's done absolutely sod all for us. He isn't even that talented a footballer.
The disparity in quality between him and Bruno is absolutely ridiculous.
Why are we keeping him when his wages and fee could have been used in future for another priority position?
Lingard, Mata, Matic, Jones..
What are we building a collection again?
Exactly. I hope him drag himself out of this mess and prove he can contribute. I think he will.
This is probably the most self-absorbed non-apology apology tweet i've seen in a while.
What should he have said?
Of all the noise since Tuesday this critique truly is bizarre.
In a situation like this, I'd say there is nothing to say. Make yourself discreet and try to be much better next time you play. I'm not criticizing him for doing it, just saying I don't get this world where everyone has to justify/explain/apologize to fans. Fans don't care about that, they just want to play well enough. Maybe I'm getting old...
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