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And the comfort and quality of how he takes those 10 goals speak to him being an excellent finisher. That’s like saying Greenwood isn’t an excellent finisher because he didn’t score 25+ a season. Think there’s a lot more into high goalscoring numbers than finishing ability. Penalties for a start. Almost all of these great statsmen score a generous amount of penalties.
Make sense. Need to watch him more. So perhaps like flappyjay mentioned, he just needs to improve his movement.
 

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Ronaldo's villain arc would truly be complete if he goes to Atletico :lol:
 

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Honestly, Athletics Felix play is something Ole might fall for — but no way that we will under ETH.

It has — nothing — to do with Felix as a player (or not entirely at least). But all this talk about us offering them 125m. Fabrizio Romano going on about how AtM will want a ton of money. The supposed interest from PSG.

AtM bought a super talented young kid for 100m, if it works out it’s their chance to get a generational talent in line with Ronaldo or Messi or Haaland or whatever — it didn’t. He has busted for them. They are an average La Liga team right now, and he can’t get into the starting XI. When he plays, he doesn’t produce. He doesn’t work tremendously hard.

Who is going to pay 125m for him today? AtM desperately need money. They made a disasterous signing and will want to recuperate as much as possible of that 100m. But it’s a really really expensive high risk signing. Chelsea will never be in on him with Potter. I think you potentially have two candidates, PSG and us. And it’s of course not a guarantee that PSG will be interested or that the timing is right for us. If Felix isn’t going to PSG, us or Chelsea — who will pay 75m for him? 60m? 50m?

I bet teams are calling AtM to pick their pocket on Felix. It’s part of the business. And AtM will have people asking favors from the Fabrizio Romano’s of the football world to spread gospel about Felix being worth 100-150m and how AtM don’t want to sell him etc etc etc. But he aren’t someone we should go out and spend 100-125m on.

Felix is a much bigger flop for AtM than Havertz has been for Chelsea. If Felix is worth 125m, Havertz is worth 150+m. 50m for Felix and 70m for Havertz is much more reasonable. You never know in the world of football what type of dumb signing a team would make, but we shouldnt be close to paying obscene amounts for Felix…
 
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Honestly, Athletics Felix play is something Ole might fall for — but no way that we will under ETH.

It has — nothing — to do with Felix as a player (or not entirely at least). But all this talk about us offering them 125m. Fabrizio Romano going on about how AtM will want a ton of money. The supposed interest from PSG.

AtM bought a super talented young kid for 100m, if it works out it’s their chance to get a generational talent in line with Ronaldo or Messi or Haaland or whatever — it didn’t. He has busted for them. They are an average La Liga team right now, and he can’t get into the starting XI. When he plays, he doesn’t produce. He doesn’t work tremendously hard.

Who is going to pay 125m for him today? AtM desperately need money. They made a disasterous signing and will want to recuperate as much as possible of that 100m. But it’s a really really expensive high risk signing. Chelsea will never be in on him with Potter. I think you potentially have two candidates, PSG and us. And it’s of course not a guarantee that PSG will be interested or that the timing is right for us. If Felix isn’t going to PSG, us or Chelsea — who will pay 75m for him? 60m? 50m?

I bet teams are calling AtM to pick their pocket on Felix. It’s part of the business. And AtM will have people asking favors from the Fabrizio Romano’s of the football world to spread gospel about Felix being worth 100-150m and how AtM don’t want to sell him etc etc etc. But he aren’t someone we should go out and spend 100-125m on.

Felix is a much bigger flop for AtM than Havertz has been for Chelsea. If Felix is worth 125m, Havertz is worth 150+m. 50m for Felix and 70m for Havertz is much more reasonable. You never know in the world of football what type of dumb signing a team would make, but we shouldnt be close to paying obscene amounts for Felix…
Yeah we should only consider him on an initial loan deal just to see how it goes,if it works out then push for permanent deal
 

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And the comfort and quality of how he takes those 10 goals speak to him being an excellent finisher. That’s like saying Greenwood isn’t an excellent finisher because he didn’t score 25+ a season. Think there’s a lot more into high goalscoring numbers than finishing ability. Penalties for a start. Almost all of these great statsmen score a generous amount of penalties.
If he only scored slightly more than 10 league goals a season - but he is not even averaging that. He is a 1 in 4 striker - his average at Atletico in the league has been 7 goals over the last 3 seasons. And don't get me wrong - he is a very good footballer, and some of the goals he scores are of the highest quality. And if we had a quality goalscorer in our team, I would not mind a player like Felix - but right now it's so obvious what we need - and it's a proven goalscorer. If you look at Felix' goals - overhead kicks, brilliant strikes from 20 yards out - almost all of them are really nice goals - how many are tap-ins ? Close to zero. Like they said about Hughes, a scorer of great goals rather than a great goalscorer.

I want a Nistelrooy - a player who gives you 20 goals each season - and Felix has done nothing to indicate he will ever score close to 20 goals in a season at a top club
 

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6 mth swap deal with Ronnie. Then both clubs get to decide what to do with them more permanently in July-august.
I cant imagine a top club wanting Ronaldo now.. there is no way anyone signs him next summer. Forget being past his peak.. he is a hindrance now..
 

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Can’t see anyone buying him in January and with Tuchel and Poch waiting in the wings to take the job should they get rid of Simione I just can’t see why either would want to get rid of someone so talented without having a proper look and trying to see if they can get the best out of him.

Unless of course they need the money.
 

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If he only scored slightly more than 10 league goals a season - but he is not even averaging that. He is a 1 in 4 striker - his average at Atletico in the league has been 7 goals over the last 3 seasons. And don't get me wrong - he is a very good footballer, and some of the goals he scores are of the highest quality. And if we had a quality goalscorer in our team, I would not mind a player like Felix - but right now it's so obvious what we need - and it's a proven goalscorer. If you look at Felix' goals - overhead kicks, brilliant strikes from 20 yards out - almost all of them are really nice goals - how many are tap-ins ? Close to zero. Like they said about Hughes, a scorer of great goals rather than a great goalscorer.

I want a Nistelrooy - a player who gives you 20 goals each season - and Felix has done nothing to indicate he will ever score close to 20 goals in a season at a top club
How many games/minutes has he played to get these goals?
 

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Our last games indicate we need more players who are comfortable with the ball at their feet.

For that alone, I'm more for Felix now than before.
 

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If we really did bid for him in the summer, then i'd be very surprised if we didn't go back in for him again this year.

He's probably the best false 9 available? I know his goal scoring record isn't great but we don't really need a big scorer. Somebody who can drop in, turn quickly and play in the wide forwards would be perfect.
 

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If he only scored slightly more than 10 league goals a season - but he is not even averaging that. He is a 1 in 4 striker - his average at Atletico in the league has been 7 goals over the last 3 seasons. And don't get me wrong - he is a very good footballer, and some of the goals he scores are of the highest quality. And if we had a quality goalscorer in our team, I would not mind a player like Felix - but right now it's so obvious what we need - and it's a proven goalscorer. If you look at Felix' goals - overhead kicks, brilliant strikes from 20 yards out - almost all of them are really nice goals - how many are tap-ins ? Close to zero. Like they said about Hughes, a scorer of great goals rather than a great goalscorer.

I want a Nistelrooy - a player who gives you 20 goals each season - and Felix has done nothing to indicate he will ever score close to 20 goals in a season at a top club
Largely agree.

As a comparison point, in the last three and a half seasons (since he joined Atletico) his non-penalty xG per 90 has been within almost exactly the same range as Marcus Rashford's over that same time period.

Which given the make-up of the rest of our team isn't the degree of goal threat we need from a new CF signing, I think.
 

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we don't really need a big scorer
I think we probably do. As it stands our wide forwards aren’t reliably prolific enough the make up the deficit of starting with a play-making centre-forward. Antony and especially Garnacho could conceivably evolve in that direction, but it would be a major gamble relying on it, and I don’t really see it happening with Antony in any case. Rashford and Martial we know from years of experience cannot really be depended on, as useful as they have been at times. And Sancho just isn’t that type of wide player at all.
 

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Surely we do?
I think we probably do. As it stands our wide forwards aren’t reliably prolific enough the make up the deficit of starting with a play-making centre-forward. Antony and especially Garnacho could conceivably evolve in that direction, but it would be a major gamble relying on it, and I don’t really see it happening with Antony in any case. Rashford and Martial we know from years of experience cannot really be depended on, as useful as they have been at times. And Sancho just isn’t that type of wide player at all.
Obviously goals do help, but we goals already in the team. Fernandes, Rashford, Antony, Eriksen, Garnacho, Mctominay, Casemiro have all shown they are capable of chipping in.

Our biggest issue has been no link up play with the striker to help our build up play. Look at our first goal against Fulham, Martials ability to drop in, turn and drive at the defence then play in the runner is so vital to how we like to play.

Would a 30 goal a season striker be nice? yeah of course - but there isn't many of those about. If we can be a more cohesive attacking unit and spread the goals around, that's better than relying on 1 man IMO.
 

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I think we definitely need a big scorer.

Is not like we have Salah/Mane style goal-threats elsewhere who are capabable of carrying the primary goal burden to a large degree with 20+ league goal seasons, maxing out at a 30+ season in Salah's case. Our other first choice attacking just don't offer enough output.

Antony's best ever league returns before now were 9 goals for Ajax. Eriksen's was 10 goals, some six years ago. Rashford peaked at 17 three years ago and has averaged less than 8 in the two seasons since. Sancho peaked at 17 league goals in the Bundesliga but hardly looks likely to repeat even that feat here at the moment, let alone go beyond it. Even Bruno who managed 18 league goals a few seasons ago relied on penalties for literally 50% of them, which was never going to continue.

It's not like it's just a gap of a few goals we have to bridge, the best in the league have scored literally double the amount of goals as us already. Realistically we need whichever first-choice CF we install to be our main source of goals, otherwise we're doing things in a needlessly difficult way and hoping for gigantic improvements from other players to make up the difference.
 

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He looks like the perfect anime character to play in a football series.
 

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Obviously goals do help, but we goals already in the team. Fernandes, Rashford, Antony, Eriksen, Garnacho, Mctominay, Casemiro have all shown they are capable of chipping in.

Our biggest issue has been no link up play with the striker to help our build up play. Look at our first goal against Fulham, Martials ability to drop in, turn and drive at the defence then play in the runner is so vital to how we like to play.

Would a 30 goal a season striker be nice? yeah of course - but there isn't many of those about. If we can be a more cohesive attacking unit and spread the goals around, that's better than relying on 1 man IMO.
I agree on your point re Martial, but Felix is not really that link player anyway.
 

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I really like him as a player, but we have serious issues with buying players for a lot of money with some sort of caveat, that ultimately ends up biting us. We need to buy a striker that is scoring lots of goals for the team we buy him from, not someone who might become a great goalscorer.
 

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What is he then? because he's certainly not a poacher.
Well I think you are touching on the issue with him and why he is not always playing. He is clearly a very good player but it is not totally clear 'what' he is. I would say he is probably a floating No.10 because he is not a target man and not really a quick wide attacker. In fact he is pretty similar to Griezmann in terms of the type of player he is.

If you then extend that to what our greatest need is attacking-wise, I again feel he isn't really the optimal type for us at the moment. I think we need a striker, like a Sesko or Vlahovic, or someone like that.
 

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Well I think you are touching on the issue with him and why he is not always playing. He is clearly a very good player but it is not totally clear 'what' he is. I would say he is probably a floating No.10 because he is not a target man and not really a quick wide attacker. In fact he is pretty similar to Griezmann in terms of the type of player he is.

If you then extend that to what our greatest need is attacking-wise, I again feel he isn't really the optimal type for us at the moment. I think we need a striker, like a Sesko or Vlahovic, or someone like that.
Doesn't sound like he's somebody we should be spending £80m+ on then really.

I think ETH will want a bigger/quicker/stronger target man anyway.
 

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A more natural nr9 is probably more useful for us right now. But that said i would not mind another player like Felix either.
Ronaldo has one leg out the door already and Elanga will probably not be here for long either. Martial is injuryprone as well. So that leaves us a bit short up front, Felix is probably talented enough to fight for a starting spot.
Still hell no for the rumoured price though!
 

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Well I think you are touching on the issue with him and why he is not always playing. He is clearly a very good player but it is not totally clear 'what' he is. I would say he is probably a floating No.10 because he is not a target man and not really a quick wide attacker. In fact he is pretty similar to Griezmann in terms of the type of player he is.

If you then extend that to what our greatest need is attacking-wise, I again feel he isn't really the optimal type for us at the moment. I think we need a striker, like a Sesko or Vlahovic, or someone like that.
If he is the same type of player than Griezman then he is a link up player, that's the best and most consistent quality of Griezmann. Neither are floating 10s, they are both better versions of Martial, these players used to be second strikers but are now used as the main central attacker.
 

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I think we definitely need a big scorer.

Is not like we have Salah/Mane style goal-threats elsewhere who are capabable of carrying the primary goal burden to a large degree with 20+ league goal seasons, maxing out at a 30+ season in Salah's case. Our other first choice attacking just don't offer enough output.

Antony's best ever league returns before now were 9 goals for Ajax. Eriksen's was 10 goals, some six years ago. Rashford peaked at 17 three years ago and has averaged less than 8 in the two seasons since. Sancho peaked at 17 league goals in the Bundesliga but hardly looks likely to repeat even that feat here at the moment, let alone go beyond it. Even Bruno who managed 18 league goals a few seasons ago relied on penalties for literally 50% of them, which was never going to continue.

It's not like it's just a gap of a few goals we have to bridge, the best in the league have scored literally double the amount of goals as us already. Realistically we need whichever first-choice CF we install to be our main source of goals, otherwise we're doing things in a needlessly difficult way and hoping for gigantic improvements from other players to make up the difference.
Yeah that's exactly why finding a goalscorer is definitely the highest priority right now
 

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I really like him as a player, but we have serious issues with buying players for a lot of money with some sort of caveat, that ultimately ends up biting us. We need to buy a striker that is scoring lots of goals for the team we buy him from, not someone who might become a great goalscorer.
Problem is we can't sign that player in January
 

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I'm not sure how blowing our striker budget on someone that doesn't really score goals, just because he's available in January, will help us.
Worry how we score enough until the summer
 

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I'm not sure how blowing our striker budget on someone that doesn't really score goals, just because he's available in January, will help us.
Surely we could give them small fee and loan him? They might need money after being out from champions league.
 

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I don’t get the whole “he doesn’t score enough” thing as no one scores goals at Atletico anymore, Morata and Griezmann have only scored a couple more goals than Felix this season and Simeone is the most defensive coach around.

If I could choose I’d love Vlahovic who I also think could be available in the summer as I think Juve will miss out on the top four in Serie A but as a 6 month loan with us paying his wages I think Felix would be a good signing.

His all round game is much more suited from what I’ve seen to an ETH system than at Atletico and he’d do well with the wide players we’ve got as well as Fernandes and Eriksen behind too, he could very well turn out as a Saha level signing that make our frontline gel better than a proper centre forward like RVN was at the time.
 

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I don’t get the whole “he doesn’t score enough” thing as no one scores goals at Atletico anymore, Morata and Griezmann have only scored a couple more goals than Felix this season and Simeone is the most defensive coach around.

If I could choose I’d love Vlahovic who I also think could be available in the summer as I think Juve will miss out on the top four in Serie A but as a 6 month loan with us paying his wages I think Felix would be a good signing.

His all round game is much more suited from what I’ve seen to an ETH system than at Atletico and he’d do well with the wide players we’ve got as well as Fernandes and Eriksen behind too, he could very well turn out as a Saha level signing that make our frontline gel better than a proper centre forward like RVN was at the time.
I am sorry but this is a weird logic - no one at Atletico scored goals, so that should not be used against Felix ? I am sorry but this is bizarre.

Nor is it correct - over the last 2.5 seasons, Atletico scored about 150 league goals - the problem was that Felix hardly scored any of them.
 

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I am sorry but this is a weird logic - no one at Atletico scored goals, so that should not be used against Felix ? I am sorry but this is bizarre.

Nor is it correct - over the last 2.5 seasons, Atletico scored about 150 league goals - the problem was that Felix hardly scored any of them.
I’m not judging Atletico on the previous two seasons and simply this one alone in which Atletico are awful and not scoring goals which is down to Simeone’s defensive tactics, I think if you put Felix in any of the current top four clubs in La Liga he’d score goals.

I don’t think Felix will ever be a 25-30 goal a season striker because that isn’t how he plays but he could score 15-20 a season and probably do 10-15 assists which added to goals from Martial, Rashford, Antony, Fernandes, Sancho and Garnacho would be a good return.

I’d much rather we spread goals around rather than be reliant on one person and if Felix can add creativity and assists as well as scoring a few I’d be happy and he’d certainly offer more than Ronaldo has this season, again though as a 6 month loan we’ve got nothing to lose and after spending so much in the summer we likely won’t have money in January.
 

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Problem is we can't sign that player in January
I think Gakpo, Moukoko and Brobbey are all attainable in January, and I would be happy to see any of them join, as I think all three fit the ETH mould of a striker. They are all in reasonably good firm this season, and I don't think any of them would break the bank, probably around 30m each (Moukoko is free in the summer). I am not keen on any of the other names that have been linked apart from Sesko (who would be a big risk as likely to be a high fee) or Mbappe (if this is at all realistic?)
 

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Think a lot of people are being way too definitive of what he is and isn’t for a 22 year old forward. His finishing ability is clearly very good. He finishes well and can do it with both feet and also his head. You/Ten Hag will need to look at his qualities and decide what he will become, not what he is.
 

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Gabriel Jesus hasn't been scoring prolifically for Arsenal and look how much he's improved them...
 

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Gabriel Jesus hasn't been scoring prolifically for Arsenal and look how much he's improved them...
Not taking credit away from Jesus, but this Arsenal midfield is amazing. It'll perform the same even if you put Bebe there as a forward.
 
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