Joao Gomes

[Teja]

How’s his passing though? The style of play at wolves vs being at United is completely different. He’ll need to do more attacking and opening teams up with passing through the lines rather than just breakkng up play

Ball carrying, sheer workrate and defensive dueling is really good. Passing is kinda meh - okay. Similar work rate to an Ugarte but much more refined dribbling. I guess amongst ex-United players, I'd compare him to an Ander Herrera. If Wolves get relegated and he's available around 30-40m I think we should def take the punt (esp. if we can raise similar money from selling Ugarte).

Mixed opinions amongst the Wolves fans though and I only watch him in the bigger games that Wolves play, so I might be biased. Would love to see if anyone has a different opinion.

 

[gajender]

Ball carrying, sheer workrate and defensive dueling is really good. Passing is kinda meh - okay. Similar work rate to an Ugarte but much more refined dribbling. I think we need these types of players. If Wolves get relegated and he's available around 30-40m I think we should def take the punt (esp. we can raise similar money for Ugarte)

Which top teams have these kind of players and why we do we need him , United should try to raise technical floor with every new signing Going forward and good passing ability should be bare minimum for any player we sign especially in midfield .

 

[Teja]

Which top teams have these kind of players and why we do we need him , United should try to raise technical floor with every new signing Going forward and good passing ability should be bare minimum for any player we sign especially in midfield .

Not sure what you mean by technical floor but he's quite good on the ball. Sure his passing has been okay but can Mainoo pass? Would that make him a poor technician?

 

[golden_blunder]

Ball carrying, sheer workrate and defensive dueling is really good. Passing is kinda meh - okay. Similar work rate to an Ugarte but much more refined dribbling. I guess amongst ex-United players, I'd compare him to an Ander Herrera. If Wolves get relegated and he's available around 30-40m I think we should def take the punt (esp. if we can raise similar money from selling Ugarte).

Mixed opinions amongst the Wolves fans though and I only watch him in the bigger games that Wolves play, so I might be biased. Would love to see if anyone has a different opinion.

He’s not good enough if we truly want to address our midfield issues. Buying someone because they are cheap shouldn’t be the go to.

 

[pascell]

Not sure what you mean by technical floor but he's quite good on the ball. Sure his passing has been okay but can Mainoo pass? Would that make him a poor technician?

That's a reason right there we shouldn't sign him, we need Mainoo to up his passing game. Having two players who aren't very technical passers of the ball, would regress the team as Casemiro is great at passing.

 

[always_score99]

How’s his passing though? The style of play at wolves vs being at United is completely different. He’ll need to do more attacking and opening teams up with passing through the lines rather than just breakkng up play

Was good at Flamengo whose fans rave about him and they're the best team in Brazil over the last few years. I mean he's not Modric or Scholes but neither is Casemiro and his profile is what we desperately need to replace.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

That's a reason right there we shouldn't sign him, we need Mainoo to up his passing game. Having two players who aren't very technical passers of the ball, would regress the team as Casemiro is great at passing.

Only if you bought him to be Mainoo first choice partner to be fair.

Remember we are not just replacing Casemiro, we are likely replacing Ugarte too.
He is an ideal candidate to upgrade Ugarte's role, so that then we can add two players who are true passers. One who is a proper passer but defensively sound to start with Mainoo. (An Anderson for example)

Plus a passer to pair with Gomes as our alternate pivot pair. (A Stiller/Fernandez for example)

Currently this guy is a more ball winning oriemted version of the kind of midfield connector Mainoo is currently. With better defensive nouse. He'd undoubtedly strengthen our overall midfield selection if bought.

 

[Nomologic]

He did make one incredible through pass yesterday. Hit with the right side of the boot, split the lines right down the middle and curved outwards to land right in the path of the RB who was steaming down the line. (Who took one touch too many and missed the obvious cross to the CF in the box.)

 

[bond19821982]

Gomes and Andre- both are decent options. Add someone like Sangare and we have an impressive midfield.

 

[Oranges038]

He did make one incredible through pass yesterday. Hit with the right side of the boot, split the lines right down the middle and curved outwards to land right in the path of the RB who was steaming down the line. (Who took one touch too many and missed the obvious cross to the CF in the box.)

That was a great pass, wide player should have whipped it first time across the box.

Thing that I noticed about him last night was his spatial awareness and control and touch into space in tight areas.

Decent performance from him overall, but seems like a few are going a bit overboard about him. Good player, but good enough to get Utd over the line in big games, I'm not so sure..

 

[Escobar]

Gomes and Andre- both are decent options. Add someone like Sangare and we have an impressive midfield.

Felt Andre was the better player but havent really watched neither this season

 

[gajender]

Not sure what you mean by technical floor but he's quite good on the ball. Sure his passing has been okay but can Mainoo pass? Would that make him a poor technician?

Mainoo is what 20 years old so Still has lot of time to improve but if he doesnt he wont survive at United assuming United actually want to compete for biggest trophies .

 

[IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos]

I’d like him to have at least one extra attribute, like height or being good for a few goals. If he was available for a modest fee, purely as a depth option, I wouldn’t absolutely hate it, but he’s not as good as Casemiro at 34, let alone in his pomp.

 

[Uncle Mainoo]

Happy for anyone to point out what Joao Neves offers that Joao Gomes wouldn’t.

Seen as we have a new facination to every midfield target needing to have the passing intelligence of Paul Scholes.

He would be a perfect solution to an option of 3 potential new midfielders.

He has scope to get even better and would probably be a better alternative to Bruno.G.

 

[Teja]

He’s not good enough if we truly want to address our midfield issues. Buying someone because they are cheap shouldn’t be the go to.

That's a reason right there we shouldn't sign him, we need Mainoo to up his passing game. Having two players who aren't very technical passers of the ball, would regress the team as Casemiro is great at passing.

Guys, we need atleast four midfielders in the squad next season. Right now we have two (Mainoo, Ugarte) and you all don't want to even see Ugarte play. Sure, go sign your Whartons and Andersons, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with a guy like Gomes in the squad.

Like I said, he's quite good on the ball when he dribbles. Work rate and dueling is insane. He doesn't have to partner with Mainoo, he will partner with a passer and provide the legs.

 

[thomas porter]

He'd be a great addition to give us squad depth in midfield as we need to sign 3 cm's in one summer. If we can get him off Wolves in the 40-50m range imo it'll be a very solid signing as he has epl experience and can be our ball winning midfielder.

 

[golden_blunder]

Guys, we need atleast four midfielders in the squad next season. Right now we have two (Mainoo, Ugarte) and you all don't want to even see Ugarte play. Sure, go sign your Whartons and Andersons, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with a guy like Gomes in the squad.

Like I said, he's quite good on the ball when he dribbles. Work rate and dueling is insane. He doesn't have to partner with Mainoo, he will partner with a passer and provide the legs.

You asked for a 2nd opinion

My opinion is that we’d be wasting money

 

[SirScholes]

You asked for a 2nd opinion

My opinion is that we’d be wasting money

agreed, some nice touches in a bad team, he'd be Fred mk 2 and he got us nowhere

 

[IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos]

agreed, some nice touches in a bad team, he'd be Fred mk 2 and he got us nowhere

I kind of agree, though if Fred had been third or fourth choice rather than starting every bloody game, we might have got further.

 

[croadyman]

I kind of agree, though if Fred had been third or fourth choice rather than starting every bloody game, we might have got further.

He's better than Fred in my opinion

 

[IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos]

He's better than Fred in my opinion

for me, not a lot in it. Gomes probably better technically, Fred better physically.

 

[northernsoul74]

Plated well with the other night against Liverpoool but I was pretty underwhelmed by him when we played Wolves.

 

[always_score99]

I’d like him to have at least one extra attribute, like height or being good for a few goals. If he was available for a modest fee, purely as a depth option, I wouldn’t absolutely hate it, but he’s not as good as Casemiro at 34, let alone in his pomp.

He's 2nd in the entire premier league for possession won, behind only Elliot Anderson. Ahead of Rice, Caicedo, Szoboszlai, Wharton,Gravenberch, Tonali etc.. and very far ahead of Casemiro. He's also top 10 CM in the league for progressive carries, dribbles etc

Guys, we need atleast four midfielders in the squad next season. Right now we have two (Mainoo, Ugarte) and you all don't want to even see Ugarte play. Sure, go sign your Whartons and Andersons, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with a guy like Gomes in the squad.

Like I said, he's quite good on the ball when he dribbles. Work rate and dueling is insane. He doesn't have to partner with Mainoo, he will partner with a passer and provide the legs.

Agreed, Gomes has been better than every midfielder at United this season bar Bruno and statistically looks fairly elite. We'd be signing him at the age when most players are just entering their prime and he's proven in the premier league.

Obviously if money wasn't a concern then you just pay 100m for Anderson and Tonali but we need to sign at least one forward in the summer and potentially 2 full backs.

agreed, some nice touches in a bad team, he'd be Fred mk 2 and he got us nowhere

He significantly out performs Fred's numbers in the PL.

for me, not a lot in it. Gomes probably better technically, Fred better physically.

How is Fred better physically?

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

We are short at left back, center midfield and possibly upfront. We do not need another right back nor winger, unless the winger is a bonafide multi role player.

 

[IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos]

How is Fred better physically?

There’s a lot of things that Fred isn’t, but the one thing he was very good at was covering the ground. He’s quicker, a better presser and just generally a better runner than Gomes. The one thing the McFred midfield had in abundance was stamina and running.

 

[AkaAkuma]

He’s been reported to have a 30m relegation release clause

 

[goldenboy]

He's 2nd in the entire premier league for possession won, behind only Elliot Anderson. Ahead of Rice, Caicedo, Szoboszlai, Wharton,Gravenberch, Tonali etc.. and very far ahead of Casemiro.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics. Where are you getting that from?

I presume you are using crude and misleading total figures, which would be hugely skewed by the simple fact that Wolves' players have to defend much more than anyone else.

If you look at the more sensible 'Poss-Adjusted Tackles + Interceptions' measure, for instance, then he is 51st out of midfielders in the Premier League (only 47th percentile).

Behind "only" (in order from number 1 in the league down, min 880 minutes): Casemiro, João Palhinha, L. Cook, T. Adams, A. Onana, Andrey Santos, M. Caicedo, Nico González, T. Iroegbunam, V. Janelt, R. Bentancur, G. Xhaka, C. Baleba, B. Kamara, J. Garner, R. Gravenberch, D. Rice, P. Sarr, Rodri, E. Ampadu, A. Scott, L. Miley, Florentino, I. Sangaré, Bruno Fernandes, E. Anderson, A. Mac Allister, E. Le Fée, T. Souček, S. Longstaff, D. Gómez, Bernardo Silva, A. Stach, F. Potts, Y. Tielemans, Y. Yarmoliuk, S. Magassa, S. Berge, Joelinton, Mateus Fernandes, S. Tonali, Y. Ayari, I. Gueye, W. Hughes, J. Henderson, , J. Cullen, K. Mainoo, André, M. Munetsi, X. Simons.

Even if you look at raw, unadjusted per 90 tackles+interception numbers, he's behind Joao Palinha (6.61) , M. Caicedo (5.80), and F. Luis (5.71), T. Adams (4.21), and joint 5th on 3.94 with M. Fernandes and D. Gomez. The first 3 are way out in front. Joao Gomes' number is near enough the same as Casemiro (3.94 vs 3.73).

When you add in other defensive measures he continues to look less impressive.. 23rd for Clearances per 90. 14th for Blocks per 90.

When you throw all this together with the fact Wolves have to do so much defending as a team, he's only around 40th percentile for PL CMs at
'Threat Prevented'.

He's also top 10 CM in the league for progressive carries, dribbles etc

I don't know where you're getting this from either? Where I'm looking he's outside the top 10.

Also, dribble-first (as opposed to pass first) players aren't really what you want from someone you'd be principally signing hypothetically as a DM to keep games tight, as they vacate the space behind them.

He might overall be a tiny bit less limited than eg Ugarte, but that's a low bar. Overall he's still too limited, and I'd want more if United were only signing 2 or 3 midfielders in the summer.

 

[Trigestis]

Lies, damned lies, and statistics. Where are you getting that from?

I presume you are using crude and misleading total figures, which would be hugely skewed by the simple fact that Wolves' players have to defend much more than anyone else.

If you look at the more sensible 'Pass-Adjusted Tackles + Interceptions' measure, for instance, then he is 51st out of midfielders in the Premier League (only 47th percentile).

Behind "only" (in order from number 1 in the league down, min 880 minutes): Casemiro, João Palhinha, L. Cook, T. Adams, A. Onana, Andrey Santos, M. Caicedo, Nico González, T. Iroegbunam, V. Janelt, R. Bentancur, G. Xhaka, C. Baleba, B. Kamara, J. Garner, R. Gravenberch, D. Rice, P. Sarr, Rodri, E. Ampadu, A. Scott, L. Miley, Florentino, I. Sangaré, Bruno Fernandes, E. Anderson, A. Mac Allister, E. Le Fée, T. Souček, S. Longstaff, D. Gómez, Bernardo Silva, A. Stach, F. Potts, Y. Tielemans, Y. Yarmoliuk, S. Magassa, S. Berge, Joelinton, Mateus Fernandes, S. Tonali, Y. Ayari, I. Gueye, W. Hughes, J. Henderson, , J. Cullen, K. Mainoo, André, M. Munetsi, X. Simons.

Even if you look at raw, unadjusted per 90 tackles+interception numbers, he's behind Joao Palinha (6.61) , M. Caicedo (5.80), and F. Luis (5.71), T. Adams (4.21), and joint 5th on 3.94 with M. Fernandes and D. Gomez. The first 3 are way out in front. Joao Gomes' number is near enough the same as Casemiro (3.94 vs 3.73).

When you add in other defensive measures he continues to look less impressive.. 23rd for Clearances per 90. 14th for Blocks per 90.

When you throw all this together with the fact Wolves have to do so much defending as a team, he's only around 40th percentile for PL CMs at
'Threat Prevented'.

Premier League's own website has got him as 5th for duels won of all players, only behind Anderson for midfielders. 7th for interceptions among midfielders, 4th for tackles, 17th for successful short passes ahead of Xhaka, Casemiro, Bruno Guimaraes.

Don't think he is world class but he is certainly a decent midfielder defensively and was quite high up a few weeks ago for progressive carries. He could be a player for us. If there were obvious, stronger candidates for 30m, then feel free to list them.

 

[Woziak]

I think we genuine need 3 PL proven midfielders or at least 2 if we go for A class European player like Camavinga, Valverde or Stiller.

We must realise that many teams in the EPL have overtaken our midfield massively, we have no depth, no mobility, very little physicality and an aging engine room. This area needs major surgery.

Watching yesterday’s game and then remembering the Wembley Carabo Final in 2023 , just 3 years ago made me realise just how badly we’ve neglected this area of the team, we had a peak 30 year old Casemiro, a high energy Fred and a 28 year peak Bruno, with Weghorst practically being the workhorse for the team, add that to a brilliant high energy Subsitutes in McTominay and Marcel Sabitzer and you realise just how badly we’ve neglected this area of the team.

We need a complete rebuild and if Wilcox doesn’t replace Casemiro and Ugarte plus add one further midfield player then he needs to be sacked, there’s a strong argument if we make Europe we might need 4 not 3 midfielders especially if Bruno leaves too!

Joao Neves is a no brainer, PL proven available for £40m and relatively easy to do as our first transfer right out the door in the summer.

We will not get Elliot Anderson, We should be looking to buy 3 PL proven Midfielders and Joao Neves should be the first in the door to take some pressure off the midfield recruitment drive which has been neglected for half a decade. We actually need to sign maybe another like Tyler Adam’s from Bournemouth for £35-40m then go get an elite midfielder like Tonali who passed his audition with flying colours last night, forget £80-90m for Baleba or Wharton we need 3 new, maybe even 4 midfielders in the summer.

 

[goldenboy]

Premier League's own website has got him

All those numbers are raw totals. They are not even adjusted to 'per 90 minutes' ffs... let alone relativised to opponents' possession.

Joao Gomes has played the 5th most minutes in the Premier League of any central midfielder, and for a team constantly having to defend. That more than anything is why he'll be so high for eg total tackle numbers.

Don't think he is world class but he is certainly a decent midfielder defensively and was quite high up a few weeks ago for progressive carries. He could be a player for us. If there were obvious, stronger candidates for 30m, then feel free to list them.

Again, progressive carries is not a stat I would give any value to for a defensive midfielder. Again, if anything DMs who are prone to dribbling is bad because they vacate the space behind them which they are meant to be covering. It's a reason why Tonali is not a DM, as he is prone to charging up-field a lot with the ball often to lose it and leave his team exposed. A DM should ideally progress the ball via passing, so that they can stay in place.

Just being cheap should not be the criteria United use to sign players. If something was seriously under-valued and a bargain? Maybe. Cheap? No. And 30mil is not a bargain for him, it's pretty close to fair value.

I don't hate him as a player, but he'd be at most a marginal upgrade on Ugarte, but a clear downgrade on Casemiro. United should be aiming for better than that if they are only bringing a few midfielders in the door, even if it means spending a bit more. As an aside, if West Ham get relegated, then for a similar price Mateus Fernandes can do everything Joao Gomes can defensively, but also far, far more on the ball, despite being younger and with a much higher ceiling. He's the calibre of player United should be signing as even a 3rd midfielder (let alone someone to replace Casemiro).

 

[goldenboy]

Joao Neves is a no brainer, PL proven available for £40m and relatively easy to do as our first transfer right out the door in the summer.

Eurgh.

then go get an elite midfielder like Tonali

There isn't anything "elite" about Tonali - Newcastle's joint 3rd best central midfielder...

I’d like him to have at least one extra attribute, like height or being good for a few goals. If he was available for a modest fee, purely as a depth option, I wouldn’t absolutely hate it, but he’s not as good as Casemiro at 34, let alone in his pomp.

Someone with a sensible opinion in this thread.

 

[Teja]

Lies, damned lies, and statistics. Where are you getting that from?

I presume you are using crude and misleading total figures, which would be hugely skewed by the simple fact that Wolves' players have to defend much more than anyone else.

If you look at the more sensible 'Pass-Adjusted Tackles + Interceptions' measure, for instance, then he is 51st out of midfielders in the Premier League (only 47th percentile).

Behind "only" (in order from number 1 in the league down, min 880 minutes): Casemiro, João Palhinha, L. Cook, T. Adams, A. Onana, Andrey Santos, M. Caicedo, Nico González, T. Iroegbunam, V. Janelt, R. Bentancur, G. Xhaka, C. Baleba, B. Kamara, J. Garner, R. Gravenberch, D. Rice, P. Sarr, Rodri, E. Ampadu, A. Scott, L. Miley, Florentino, I. Sangaré, Bruno Fernandes, E. Anderson, A. Mac Allister, E. Le Fée, T. Souček, S. Longstaff, D. Gómez, Bernardo Silva, A. Stach, F. Potts, Y. Tielemans, Y. Yarmoliuk, S. Magassa, S. Berge, Joelinton, Mateus Fernandes, S. Tonali, Y. Ayari, I. Gueye, W. Hughes, J. Henderson, , J. Cullen, K. Mainoo, André, M. Munetsi, X. Simons.

Even if you look at raw, unadjusted per 90 tackles+interception numbers, he's behind Joao Palinha (6.61) , M. Caicedo (5.80), and F. Luis (5.71), T. Adams (4.21), and joint 5th on 3.94 with M. Fernandes and D. Gomez. The first 3 are way out in front. Joao Gomes' number is near enough the same as Casemiro (3.94 vs 3.73).

When you add in other defensive measures he continues to look less impressive.. 23rd for Clearances per 90. 14th for Blocks per 90.

When you throw all this together with the fact Wolves have to do so much defending as a team, he's only around 40th percentile for PL CMs at
'Threat Prevented'.



I don't know where you're getting this from either? Where I'm looking he's outside the top 10.

Also, dribble-first (as opposed to pass first) players aren't really what you want from someone you'd be principally signing hypothetically as a DM to keep games tight, as they vacate the space behind them.

He might overall be a tiny bit less limited than eg Ugarte, but that's a low bar. Overall he's still too limited, and I'd want more if United were only signing 2 or 3 midfielders in the summer.

Curious, where are you getting the PAdj stats from?

 

[goldenboy]

Curious, where are you getting the PAdj stats from?

https://best11scouting.streamlit.app/Men's_App

Data is taken from Wyscout.

 

[IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos]

Eurgh.



There isn't anything "elite" about Tonali - Newcastle's joint 3rd best central midfielder...



Someone with a sensible opinion in this thread.

Interestingly, I heard a Wolves fan on a podcast saying that the Villa and Liverpool games were his best two of the season, and there’s a feeling he tends to up his game when they’re on the telly/against a big side.

Tbf, apparently Rob Edwards has been doing his high performance schtick with the players and asking them to find their own motivation, even if that motivation is to get themself a summer transfer.

 

[Trigestis]

All those numbers are raw totals. They are not even adjusted to 'per 90 minutes' ffs... let alone relativised to opponents' possession.

Joao Gomes has played the 5th most minutes in the Premier League of any central midfielder, and for a team constantly having to defend. That more than anything is why he'll be so high for eg total tackle numbers.

Why would they be adjusted to per 90 minutes? He has won 5th most duels in the league. Why would you need to know how many duels he wins per 90? This just seems like you're desperate to win an argument more than anything else. Maybe he is just good defensively, which may be why he is getting caps for Brazil?

Again, progressive carries is not a stat I would give any value to for a defensive midfielder. Again, if anything DMs who are prone to dribbling is bad because they vacate the space behind them which they are meant to be covering. It's a reason why Tonali is not a DM, as he is prone to charging up-field a lot with the ball often to lose it and leave his team exposed. A DM should ideally progress the ball via passing, so that they can stay in place.

Just being cheap should not be the criteria United use to sign players. If something was seriously under-valued and a bargain? Maybe. Cheap? No. And 30mil is not a bargain for him, it's pretty close to fair value.

I don't hate him as a player, but he'd be at most a marginal upgrade on Ugarte, but a clear downgrade on Casemiro. United should be aiming for better than that if they are only bringing a few midfielders in the door, even if it means spending a bit more. As an aside, if West Ham get relegated, then for a similar price Mateus Fernandes can do everything Joao Gomes can defensively, but also far, far more on the ball, despite being younger and with a much higher ceiling. He's the calibre of player United should be signing as even a 3rd midfielder (let alone someone to replace Casemiro).

Being a good ball carrier is a strength and has value, no matter what position. If a defensive minded midfielder is able to progress the ball through midfield, then that is a great skill to have. Imagine Pep telling Rodri that he should just sit back and shield the defense at all times and not join the attack.

You don't know what kind of upgrade he would be on Ugarte because it's not just about a player's quality, it can be development, confidence, chemistry with team mates, being a better fit for the team and offering a certain balance. He has shown another level than Ugarte has in the league, and getting caps for Brazil is quite impressive with the midfield they already have.

 

[goldenboy]

Why would they be adjusted to per 90 minutes? He has won 5th most duels in the league. Why would you need to know how many duels he wins per 90? This just seems like you're desperate to win an argument more than anything else.

Not at all. It is an obvious point, and you're wasting my time by calling for it to be explained.

Adjusting stats to the per minute/90 minute basis is pretty standard nowadays to anyone with a modicum of sense. Most stats websites/portals display such stats on a per 90 basis as the norm, eg sofascore and fbref (RIP). It's only the PL website which is basically for unthinking, mobile-phone scrolling casuals which doesn't have that option.

Say if e.g. you wanted to see which player actually is a better ball-winner when they're on the pitch 10 league games in to a season:
- Player A plays all 10 games/900 minutes and wins 5 tackles per match/90 = 50 tackles in total.
- Player B plays only 7 games/630 minutes, because his team are in Europe so he's sometimes rested for the league, but wins 7 tackles per match/90 = 49 tackles in total.

Player B appears the superior ball winner, managing more tackles when he plays. However, a trash-talker like yourself would seemingly try and claim A is somehow better just because he had a higher total number.


(PS for ease of explanation, I am assuming in the above hypothetical case that all games had the same amount of possession/have the same Pass-adjusted scores)

 

[Trigestis]

Not at all. It is an obvious point, and you're wasting my time by calling for it to be explained.

Adjusting stats to the per minute/90 minute basis is pretty standard nowadays to anyone with a modicum of sense. Most stats websites/portals display such stats on a per 90 basis as the norm, eg sofascore and fbref (RIP). It's only the PL website which is basically for unthinking, mobile-phone scrolling casuals which doesn't have that option.

Say if e.g. you wanted to see which player actually is a better ball-winner when they're on the pitch 10 league games in to a season:
- Player A plays all 10 games/900 minutes and wins 5 tackles per match/90 = 50 tackles in total.
- Player B plays only 7 games/630 minutes, because his team are in Europe so he's sometimes rested for the league, but wins 7 tackles per match/90 = 49 tackles in total.

Player B appears the superior ball winner, managing more tackles when he plays. However, a trash-talker like yourself would seemingly try and claim A is somehow better just because he had a higher total number.


(PS for ease of explanation, I am assuming in the above hypothetical case that all games had the same amount of possession/have the same Pass-adjusted scores)

Why is is that every time someone disagrees with your opinion, you become incredibly condescending/insulting and patronising? Tedious as hell, and you're being reported.

 

[goldenboy]

you become incredibly condescending/insulting

That's rich coming from the person who in the post I was responding to tried to insult me by claiming:

"This just seems like you're desperate to win an argument more than anything else"

...

you're being reported

Feels as if I should report you for repeatedly pestering me with pointless questions.

 

[Trigestis]

That's rich coming from the person who in the post I was responding to tried to insult me by claiming:

"This just seems like you're desperate to win an argument more than anything else"

...

That's not an insult. You're usually in threads just replying condescending posts to people who don't share your opinions on transfer targets.

Feels as if I should report you for repeatedly pestering me with pointless questions.

Go ahead, see how well received that will be by the staff members.

To answer your post; most websites offer the option to view stats per 90. When you check the top scorer stats, you don't view goals per 90. Lukas Nmecha scores 0.71 goals per 90, by your logic he is a better goal scorer than Ekitike, Joao Pedro or Igor Thiago.

It's only the PL website which is basically for unthinking, mobile-phone scrolling casuals which doesn't have that option.

Did you really just read this over and think to yourself "yeah, this is a good part to include in my post"? Are you not 24 years old like your profile says? Get a grip, mate. Get off your superiority complex, you're just a fan with way too much time on your hands and like to pretend you're a scout or something. You don't know more about football than anyone else on here.

I get that you just learned a new statistic in your Pass-Adjusted Tackles, but you don't need to post it in 30 different threads and act like you're smarter than other posters on here.

 

[goldenboy]

That's not an insult.

It is an insult:

You were besmirching my character by trying to claim that I was posting merely to be argumentative, as opposed to the truth - which was that I had a genuine point which needed to be explained.

Go ahead, see how well received that will be by the staff members.

Sounds a little patronising of you, no?...

To answer your post; most websites offer the option to view stats per 90. When you check the top scorer stats, you don't view goals per 90. Lukas Nmecha scores 0.71 goals per 90, by your logic he is a better goal scorer than Ekitike, Joao Pedro or Igor Thiago.

Obviously in some cases context is needed - eg as with Lukas Nmecha his minutes are mostly as brief cameos off the substitutes' bench. That is less comparable to the minutes of players who start pretty much all their games (as most the top tackling players referenced above tend to do).

Get off your superiority complex, you're just a fan with way too much time on your hands and like to pretend you're a scout or something. You don't know more about football than anyone else on here.

I get that you just learned a new statistic in your Pass-Adjusted Tackles, but you don't need to post it in 30 different threads and act like you're smarter than other posters on here.

For the sake of clarification - it is likely both true that I have way too much time on my hands, as well as being smarter and knowing more about football than the majority of other posters on here. That is not my being "patronising", just a statement of fact.