Reliable?This can't be real, your board can't be that dumb. Palhinha is good but he literally plays the only position you are set with Casemiro and Ugarte. You basically need players at every position but DM and your board go and chase Palhninha
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Something I read ages ago when he first joined no clue where . He wasn't putting them down just being his honest self in their strengths and that Hjulmand was a more complete player.
Given how he's used Ugarte so far I think it tracks that it's still his thinking that he's primarily a destroyer. If Amorim is still here next summer no doubt we go for a complete midfielder.
He would be an absolute beast of a midfield destroyer! The problem being, that it would be our midfield he'd destroy. Avoid at all costs.
Himself, Casemiro and Ugarte playing sideways and backwards passes to each other like to rugby players would be quite something. Reminiscent of the Joe Parkinson/Barry Horne/John Ebbrell "Dogs of War" Everton midfield.
Himself, Casemiro and Ugarte playing sideways and backwards passes to each other like to rugby players would be quite something. Reminiscent of the Joe Parkinson/Barry Horne/John Ebbrell "Dogs of War" Everton midfield.
Really important we don't settle when it comes to midfield targets this summer. A destroyer approaching 30 years old is not the profile we should be looking at.
Was incredibly highly rated at Sporting and Fulham, having had a read around he seems to have similar shortfalls to Ugarte.
Fair comments.
Probably unfair then for @HTG to say he was "One of our worst ever transfers" if Kompany didnt want him and he was signed prior to Kompany coming in.
Would agree. And 25mil is not nothing.
I would love to read these quotes as well.
One of the key reasons we plunged into prolonged mediocrity was our habit of signing the wrong players on the wrong side of 30. Falcao, Schweinseger, Sanchez, Casemiro, Varane… the list goes on. Theres zero chance United will repeat those mistakes and I am confident the Paulinha rumors are just clickbait nonsense.
Even in the current squad there are at least two worse transfers with Boey and Zaragoza.
With Palhinha you can at least see what our scouts and people in charge saw in him.
Nope. It was one of our worst transfers, because Kompany was actually already there when we bought him and clearly doesn’t rate him at all. So we spent 50 millions on a specialist player, to join us, while we just got ourselves a new coach, about to play precisely the kind of football Palhinha doesn’t fit.
It’s been an insanely bad transfer on our part.
I never understood the forum high rating of him. Yes he makes a lot of defensive actions but that's it, very little on the ball. Fred and McT had a significantly better passing range playing deep midfield and were ripped to bits, yet fans convince themselves that guys like Palhinha is the answer.
Utd have had tacklers in midfield traditionally but they have generally been good footballers as well. Someone like Nicky Butt was leagues above guys like Ugarte/Palhinha on the ball.
Utd have had tacklers in midfield traditionally but they have generally been good footballers as well. Someone like Nicky Butt was leagues above guys like Ugarte/Palhinha on the ball.
If we can get Palhinha on loan it would be a no brainer. with Bruno in midfield if we sign Mbeumo, we are going to need the other midfielder to be a crazy tackling beast. Ugarte won't be able to keep up the entire season and will have a donut shaped hole in our midfield. Casemiro just does not have the legs for the amount of work that will be needed and Collyer is still not ready to be a full time starter as the sole tackling machine in midfield. Ideally, Bruno should not be in midfield at all.
A major problem for this kind of player is that the game has moved on, so even in his years as a pro, if you go back to 2016 through to 2020, a destroyer passing the ball on to a much more creative player wasn’t abnormal even if it was fading away. In the last few years, however, top teams don’t play like that anymore and specialist destroyers who can’t do much else are being phased out, which is exactly why PSG got rid of Ugarte and replaced him with what top teams want in a defensive midfielder with Joao Neves.
Players like Palhinha are directly targeted and pressed because they are terrible on the ball and in getting rid of it smoothly and efficiently, so his one strength actually becomes a weakness because he’s the one you want to isolate in the first place. Aside from this, he’s useless against low blocks as he has no means of breaking them down and cannot pass through the lines efficiently either.
We already have an anchor of that type here, two even.
Have that discussion with @BayernFan87 then who feels Boey and Zaragoza are worse.
I dont really care, tbh. Its a Bayern problem!
It is, for now.
This is what chatgpt gave me
— Amorim, concedendo em conferência de imprensa, colocando Hjulmand como “o jogador mais completo daquela posição” teamtalk.com+15leonino.pt+15
“Then Hjulmand. We were there crying for Palhinha, then we cried for Ugarte. With Hjulmand, the scout had to show us three times that he was the right player and all the credit goes to them. And I would say… I love Palhinha, I love Ugarte, but I would say that Hjulmand is the most complete player in that position. I know they will be upset with me. I am certainly not their favorite coach anymore (laughs)”
— Amorim, speaking at a press conference, calling Hjulmand “the most complete player in that position”
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We're in a tough situation.This can't be real, your board can't be that dumb. Palhinha is good but he literally plays the only position you are set with Casemiro and Ugarte. You basically need players at every position but DM and your board go and chase Palhninha
We technically have 2 DMs but one of them is poor on the ball, and the other can't run.
We would have to be very optimistic to go into the season with the same midfield options as this and expect to have a good season. So we can either get a partner for Bruno, which would be a more defensively minded player rendering Ugarte and Casemiro pointless. Or we can get a Bruno alternative but they'll just be sat on the bench because Bruno isn't getting dropped.
And where Mainoo fits into this I don't know, well he probably doesn't fit, but people aren't willing to accept that yet.
Palhinha is not the answer either way.
Too late.
I don't want him. Not even on loan with no obligation. He's good for the type of player he is, but not suited to what we want to do.
Anyhow, I just read (and realised) Bayern paid 47m for him. That's incredible. Makes the Ugarte deal a little more palatable.
Anyhow, I just read (and realised) Bayern paid 47m for him. That's incredible. Makes the Ugarte deal a little more palatable.
I'd rather bring Fred back for a year loan than buy this guy.
We should have signed Palhinha the summer he went to Fulham when he was available for only 25m, be did well at Fulham as well
He wouldn’t have made any difference. His passing range would have been more exposed if he played for us.
No. We have enough water carriers.
Funnily enough, there was a report i read on reddit yesterday saying Fulham want him back. For Palhinha and his chances of going to the WC, if I was him, it would be Fulham I go to.
We just have to accept that Casemiro is not the player he once was and start using him sparingly. We also must accept that we made a mistake on Ugarte. These two undeniable facts mean we have to go into the market but I think, having seen our performances, the hierarchy are gambling that if we address the goals issue we will move up the table and get breathing space to address the midfield next summer once Casemiro is off the wage bill.
Short of getting a young gun coming in from the youth or an inspired signing, from the lower leagues, on the cheap there is virtually no prospect of us making a big midfield signing this summer. That option went with the decision to keep Bruno, we just don't have the budget to sign Cunha, Mbuemo, a striker and Goalkeeper and still go after a midfielder.
https://www.capology.com/player/joao-palhinha-34889/
He is reported on €230K pw. We could take him on loan with half of the salary covered
He is reported on €230K pw. We could take him on loan with half of the salary covered
Is he fast? If he isn’t then there wouldn’t be much difference between he and Casemiro
It’s rumoured that Fulham are trying to get him back
Dodged a bullet with this the first time around.
Fulham seems like the best bet for him..
Fulham seems like the best bet for him..
i'd take him on loan without a obligation to buy. We cant reinforce every position this summer. So take him on loan and work during the season to lay the groundwork to sign wharton or baleba.
Yeah I get the thinking but unless we’re selling Ugarte, I don’t see the point as they’re quite alike - and hate to see a 2 man midfield with them both in it. If we’re selling or terminating Casemiro, then sure, we need the bodies in there and he’d be a decent’ish partner for Bruno.
Wharton or Baleba would be the dream - but yeah, that’s probably next year if at all.
What's with the sudden influx of comments?
Probably just people remembering that he exists after the Bayern game at the CWC. Thankfully there doesn't seem to be any link with us.
Just looked at Fulham's payroll and they could cover half his wages. Leno is on 130k a week.
They've got Reiss Nelson on loan from Arsenal who's somehow already on 100k a week...
Insane.No. For the love of all f*****g things, just for once I'd like us to go after a midfielder who is silky, technical, can pass, and I don't care how skinny or small he is. I'm sick and goddamned tired with moderately decent passers with some physical presence. We never end up with a Vitinha, whereas it's always good enough for the likes of PSG, Real and Barca.
Agreed, we never learn.
I think your missing the point. We will have no money left after Mbeumo. A striker is dependent on outgoing. So we will need to probably loan in a midfielder. We aren't going to get a quality silky technical operator in on an a loan. Palhinha is PL proven and can cover the ground Casemiro's legs can't. On a loan without an obligation to buy, it would be sensible for a season. Until we have funds to buy a Wharton or Baleba etc, next summer.
Palhinha was never great and now his legs are gone.
I agree that after Mbeumo we need to sell, but I imagine we will be patient to see how that goes.i wouldn't be shocked if we down sign a striker but we do a CM.
If this guy is considered even a stop-gap answer we’re asking all the wrong questions.
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