Joao Pedro | Chelsea Player

As predicted , that start he had is starting to fizzle out…
 
IsoJoe said:
As predicted , that start he had is starting to fizzle out…
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Because he's being played out of position and without our most important creative player? Give it a rest mate, you're grasping at straws. You'll not find a single Chelsea supporter who's unhappy with Joao Pedro.
 
He's just playing the level he was before, can't expect miracles. He ran hot after joining us.

Still a decent player.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
Because he's being played out of position and without our most important creative player? Give it a rest mate, you're grasping at straws. You'll not find a single Chelsea supporter who's unhappy with Joao Pedro.
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Nope,this is what threads are for.

I’m going to keep pointing him out til I see fit, especially since “ theshedend “ decided to take my quotes from here.

I've noticed his dribbling so far isn't really effective as it once was in the past, he just doesn't generate enough shots on goal,never has never will,"sadly "..such player won't be enough for good old chelsea in the long run.
 
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Ahahaha what on earth even is this?
IsoJoe said:
Nope,this is what threads are for.

I’m going to keep pointing him out til I see fit, especially since “ theshedend “ decided to take my quotes from here.

I've noticed his dribbling so far isn't really effective as it once was in the past, he just doesn't generate enough shots on goal,never has never will,"sadly "..such player won't be enough for good old chelsea in the long run.
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He's 95th percentile in carries and carry distance. Right now he's having to act as both the Palmer and Delap replacement simultaneously whilst being not fully fit. There's no reason whatsoever to worry about him.
 
if he keeps putting in stinkers like that, there’s talk the club will drop the r from his shirt.
 
I was watching their game vs Pool and was honestly flabbergasted when he was substituted, I was so sure he was on the bench or injured. I had to check the lineup in the app to make sure it really was him.
Have seen good stuff from him this season though and one bad game against a good team doesn't mean much. It's just very rare to me that a player goes by so completely unnoticed.
 
He's playing with an injury to be fair. I think its his shoulder that's botheing him and he can't move freely.

He was left out of the Brazil squad because he isn't fit. Maresca has been forcing him out there, because we no other options.

Ancelotti on why he left him out.

“João Pedro has a small physical problem. He’s not 100%. We prefer him to recover calmly during this FIFA date to return to his best level. It’s a physical problem.”
 
Injury shouldn’t be an excuse , IF he was onside for that chance he passed across goal like he THOUGHT he was , “injury”doesn’t play a part.

0 shots on target from his last 5 Prem games.
 
IsoJoe said:
Injury shouldn’t be an excuse , IF he was onside for that chance he passed across goal like he THOUGHT he was , “injury”doesn’t play a part.

0 shots on target from his last 5 Prem games.
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Wow, didn’t realise that, knew he was struggling but that’s shocking!
 
He's not a no9, everyone knows that. He's a great no10 or SS who is a great carrier of the ball. He will do well when he's played deeper for sure.
 
Maresca says he is playing injured.

I think he was playing pretty well, even after the early goals dried up, but he's been bad the last 2 games.
 
Damn, was going to change my keeper this week in FPL but looks like this guy is coming out for now. Didn’t realise he was that out of form. Thought he looked really good in pre season so there’s clearly a decent player in there.
 
Poborsky's hair said:
He's not a no9, everyone knows that. He's a great no10 or SS who is a great carrier of the ball. He will do well when he's played deeper for sure.
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That he is not.

But I will say he played well playing with Welbeck, a player who I believe is Nico Jackson’s player type , quick lay offs, one twos in tight spots , runs channels.

Surprised Chelsea didn’t give it a chance.
 
He was excellent last week at Forest, too many people dont actually watch games.
 
Can I say it now or…..
I let it go for a full month , he will be on the bench next season.
 
Yeah @UsualSuspect im not having him. You can’t bury your head in the sand about him anymore.
He’s just far too passive a player at times. Like for large spells in games he just floats about, not aggressive or assertive enough.

He’s a forward player for Chelsea who barely seems to have authoritative shots on goal during games.

You surely cannot be happy at all with his current output??
 
He is what he has always been. A talented but player who is pretty ineffectual in the box. Obviously scoring loads of penalties made him seem quite a bit more of a goal threat than he actually is.

He's not a bad player though.
 
He is quietly having decent season (8 goals and 3 assists so far in Premier League).
 
maeve said:
He is quietly having decent season (8 goals and 3 assists so far in Premier League).
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He started well enough but his level dropped massively for about 6-7 weeks towards the end of Maresca's time. He's been pretty good again under Rosenior.
 
He’s in good form, wish he would get involved a little bit more, I do like how he is creating his own goals instead of his early season box striker finishing.
 
Two goals against Napoli tonight, first one was especially good. Him and Palmer are good combo.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
You were saying...?

11 goals and 4 assists now this season, Chelsea would be up shit creek without him.
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He is playing in form , let’s not act like he having a fantastic goal scoring season , 11 goals and 4 assist at this stage of the season isnt something to brag home about , gyokores is right behind him with 10 and 2, , his current record shows that he is patchy , so don’t get too gassed.

I will say he is creating his own goals now which is good to see .

Calm down, “team of the season” he will not be.
 
IsoJoe said:
He is playing in form , let’s not act like he having a fantastic goal scoring season , 11 goals and 4 assist at this stage of the season isnt something to brag home about , gyokores is right behind him with 10 and 2, , his current record shows that he is patchy , so don’t get too gassed.

I will say he is creating his own goals now which is good to see .

Calm down, “team of the season” he will not be.
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You're the one who's been arguing that he's terrible and will be benched, etc etc.

15 goal contributions in ~2200 minutes is a very good return, especially for someone who has played as a 10 for about 25% of his minutes.

Comparing him to Gyokeres is ridiculous since Pedro is miles clear in terms of all-around contribution while also being clear in end product.
 
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You're the one who's been arguing that he's terrible and will be benched, etc etc.

15 goal contributions in ~2200 minutes is a very good return, especially for someone who has played as a 10 for about 25% of his minutes.

Comparing him to Gyokeres is ridiculous since Pedro is miles clear in terms of all-around contribution while also being clear in end product.
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And he will eventually be, he isn’t a natural goal scorer, his record over the years shows that.

Stop breaking it down to minutes and where he has played , he is playing up top , he wasn’t playing as a traditional 10, so please don’t even start that , before this month his goal + assist contribution was 7 and 4 , he is patchy ,3 of his 4 assist came in august , again , he is patchy , go look at his October form , look at his premier league goalscoring streak and tell me where you see a “ very good return “, it’s patchy!

You can’t say someone is miles ahead when they are currently contributing the same. His current goal scoring and assist contribution is pretty much the same, is Pedro’s all round game better? Yes , is he the better finisher? hell no.

Since you want to break it down to numbers and minutes Gyokores has played less minutes and is 3 “ contributions” away.

To round it off the fact that you haven’t showed up in this thread since October tells me all I need to know .

He is in good form , I have no issue praising that but that is just it, good form .
 
IsoJoe said:
And he will eventually be, he isn’t a natural goal scorer, his record over the years shows that.

Stop breaking it down to minutes and where he has played , he is playing up top , he wasn’t playing as a traditional 10, so please don’t even start that , before this month his goal + assist contribution was 7 and 4 , he is patchy ,3 of his 4 assist came in august , again , he is patchy , go look at his October form , look at his premier league goalscoring streak and tell me where you see a “ very good return “, it’s patchy!

You can’t say someone is miles ahead when they are currently contributing the same. His current goal scoring and assist contribution is pretty much the same, is Pedro’s all round game better? Yes , is he the better finisher? hell no.

Since you want to break it down to numbers and minutes Gyokores has played less minutes and is 3 “ contributions” away.

To round it off the fact that you haven’t showed up in this thread since October tells me all I need to know .

He is in good form , I have no issue praising that but that is just it, good form .
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He's 24. Saying that his record over the years defines him as a player is a fallacy.

Why should I stop breaking it down to minutes? You're the one who keeps prattling on about "he's patchy" as if there aren't legitimate reasons contributing to him being up and down outside of his quality as a player. Your argument is literally "he's bad because he's inconsistent" without considering that it might not be entirely his fault.

Also regarding finishing between him and Gyokeres, I don't know if it's as clear cut as you're implying. Joao Pedro in his age 19 season had a higher SoT% in his first PL season than Gyokeres has managed thus far this year aged 27. This year it's not even close between them in terms of clinical finishing.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
He's 24. Saying that his record over the years defines him as a player is a fallacy.

Why should I stop breaking it down to minutes? You're the one who keeps prattling on about "he's patchy" as if there aren't legitimate reasons contributing to him being up and down outside of his quality as a player. Your argument is literally "he's bad because he's inconsistent" without considering that it might not be entirely his fault.

Also regarding finishing between him and Gyokeres, I don't know if it's as clear cut as you're implying. Joao Pedro in his age 19 season had a higher SoT% in his first PL season than Gyokeres has managed thus far this year aged 27. This year it's not even close between them in terms of clinical finishing.
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What does his age have to do with it? He is more seasoned in the premier league than your last striker , Jackson who at this stage had 8and 2 in his first season without the European football ( extra games ) who was 22/23 at the time.


Your breaking down his minutes to make his contribution look better than what it is, at the end of the day he has gone 19 games without a goal or an assist so far out of 31 games played , that is patchy no matter how you look at it.

7 of his 15 goal and assist contributions came in August and this month alone.

I praised him a few days ago saying he’s in good form currently but that’s it, like what are we doing? We are acting like having 15 goal contributions in 3 competitions( 4 contributions being in this month alone )coming into February is very good , it’s not , no matter how you decide to dice it up.

Praise his form and keep it moving, we are not seeing a “ where would Chelsea be without Pedro “ moment.
 
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IsoJoe said:
What does his age have to do with it? He is more seasoned in the premier league than your last striker , Jackson who at this stage had 8and 2 in his first season without the European football ( extra games ) who was 22/23 at the time.


Your breaking down his minutes to make his contribution look better than what it is, at the end of the day he has gone 19 games without a goal or an assist so far out of 31 games played , that is patchy no matter how you look at it.

7 of his 15 goal and assist contributions came in August and this month alone.

I praised him a few days ago saying he’s in good form currently but that’s it, like what are we doing? We are acting like having 15 goal contributions in 3 competitions( 4 contributions being in this month alone )coming into February is very good , it’s not , no matter how you decide to dice it up.

Praise his form and keep it moving, we are not seeing a “ where would Chelsea be without Pedro “ moment.
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What does age have to do with it??? You're acting like it's inconceivable that a 24 year old could possibly improve:
IsoJoe said:
he isn’t a natural goal scorer, his record over the years shows that.
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He's averaging a goal or assist every ~147 minutes this year, playing in a chaotic and unsettled team that's missed its main creative outlet most of the season. That's very good by any measure; goals in August and January are just as valuable as goals any other month.

It's very funny that you're accusing me of manipulating stats whilst stating "19 games without a goal or assist out of 31 games" unironically. Take out sub appearances and all of a sudden "Joao Pedro has scored or assisted in 48% of his starts this season" has a very different feel, no?

It obviously makes more sense to normalise stats to a per minute or per 90 basis, this isn't rocket science. You're the one with a very odd agenda in this thread.
 
14 league goals and 7 assists. Maybe he could start for Brazil too?
 
maeve said:
14 league goals and 7 assists. Maybe he could start for Brazil too?
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9 goals in 12 games under Rosenior.

I wasn't sure about him when we signed him, even earlier this season, but he's been an fecking fantastic signing.
 
WeePat said:
9 goals in 12 games under Rosenior.

I wasn't sure about him when we signed him, even earlier this season, but he's been an fecking fantastic signing.
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I think he's looked great everytime I've seen him for you. Even when he's not scored, his ability to hold the ball up and bring your team into play always impresses me.
 
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