Yup just take a look at the comments under the video he endorsed Bernie Sanders. Toxic
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He is like the political centre of the cafe (in the general at least). Way more open and Liberal than the average person, not afraid of some un-pc humour but no real hatred of anyone.
That's kind of the vibe I got. So imagine my shock reading this as if he's basically a sane Alex Jones
Imagine thinking Joe Rogan is a person of controversy. Jesus Christ.
“He’s an asshole and he shouldn’t endorse these people but he can endorse this person because this person is my person”You need to relax, dude.
I don’t need to relax. People need to think about what they say.
Couldnt care less about his own political opinions. You cant label yourself a centrist when all you do is invite guests who fall on the right spectrum. What I mean by normalising is giving dangerous individuals like Alex Jones and Milo a platform, to paint them as your normal average joe and not the vile hateful creatures they are.
Calling Milo a troll really? He called for journalists to be gunned down, he said it was okay for a 13 year old and an adult to be in a relationship and after the Christ Church Mosque shooting said it was due to the establishment pandering to the left. Where do you draw the line between hate speech and being a troll?
People dont understand the fact the audiences of these shows like Rogan's and Peterson's are generally young individuals, they often fall down the rabbit hole of alt right, this is why online communities like incels are thriving, because of Rogans, Shapiros and Petersons.
Go take a look at the the Rogan subreddit or the comments under his videos and tell me Rogan is a centrist. If Rogan is putting out unbiased and balanced podcasts why is his audience wholly made of RW people?
You don’t see any of it because you’re choosing to be blind to it. Or you just don’t understand what I wrote.
Just answer the very simple question. The one that - truthfully answered - skewers your whole point;
Do you believe that 10% or more of his show is right/far right discussion?
The liberal discussion drowns out the silly right leaning stuff by a huge volume. It’s a massively left leaning show. Liberal guests debate every single aspect of every single centrist or left leaning policies and beliefs, every single week. That anyone should try to debate that is bonkers.
The right wing guests are outliers. To pretend they are the majority is Trumpian.
Abortion?
Drugs?
Homosexuality?
You’re painting yourself into a rapidly shrinking corner. Just stop.
Whatever percentage the right/far right commentators (or chancers as you called them) episodes make of the show, the corresponding percentage of leftist commentators is way smaller. Your argument rests on your belief that "Liberal guests debate every single aspect of every single centrist or left leaning policies and beliefs, every single week" with which I couldn't disagree more. Vast majority guests that come on the show discuss non-political things. Even some of the people who have been listed in this thread as leftists on the show were just entertainers who discussed other things (e.g. Jon Roson is a filmmaker who spent almost the entire episode discussing porn/history of online porn). You're championing a massive false equivalence then saying "anyone should try to debate that is bonkers".
Using just your example: A whole podcast openly debating porn isn’t left wing politics. But it’s certainly something that absolutely alienates huge swathes of right wing listeners.
I wouldn’t put him up as a voice of left wing doctrine, but that podcasts would offend so many conservative minds. It’s still liberal discussion.
You’ve got to be sensible and even in your critique. You haven’t done that at any turn.
Exactly, he’s still left wing even by internet standards - by “real world” standards he’s practically Karl Marx.
I mean you can criticise what the person is saying, but it's different when you insult someone outright.
Like I said it's controversial. Even his views on abortion have been all over the place, and the whole Charles Murray thing. But perhaps I'm wrong about Harris.
You’re right. I was bewildered at the lack of self awareness. But also an asshole with it. My bad
I think thats a bit unfair or simplistic. It seemed more related to cancel culture to me. I thought it was to advertise a book on that tbh, with part of it being about August Ames and using his previous experience of talking to people in that industry.
I think most of his work has at least some relevance to current culture or politics and he's always come off as being distinctly left leaning to me.
The fact this is even a debate is proof positive that Joe Rogan is non-partisan.
This whole silly thing has come down to the ridiculously bipartisan nature of American politics that presumes you're either one thing or another, and that's all there ever can be.
It strikes me that Joe Rogan just wants interesting people on his show. Does he give a platform to those on the right? Yes. And on the left? Yes. Do some of his guests have reprehensible views? Yes. But you roll with the punches when the opposite point is going to be said in a week or two.
I'm far more concerned about echo-chambers than broad platforms. MSNBC and Fox don't counterbalance each other at all, because viewers only ever watch one or the other.
At least podcasts of this nature have internal balances. It's a far more responsible model. Bernie getting this endorsement shows that he has an appeal that crosses party lines.
That's an interesting take. I think I understand your point better now. I can accept that majority of guests have liberal sensibilities and many times the discussion would be on subject matters that, even if non-political per se, would alienate right wing audience. However, I'm genuinely interested to hear how this sufficiently offsets against far/right wing "chancers", who have far more appearances than "voices of left wing doctrine" in the show.
I’ve obviously got no quarrel with you.
But I do rail against silly points of position. Anyone suggesting that Rogans podcast Is a breeding ground for right wing sentiments is looking through the wrong end of the telescope.
He rips the shit out of Trump, Evangelicals, Maga-to-the-hilt types. He has hosted Yang, Tulsi and Bernie, he has backed the Democrat party. Backs environmental controls, women’s rights, is not racist in any way, shape or form, routinely talks about the Original people of Northern America to an extent nobody else does. He’s pro people, wants a light touch government and wants the people to control the country and live happily together.
Don’t look for him to come all of the way on all of your issues. Your parents probably don’t and you love them.
He’s a comedian and jokes come first. Maybe inappropriately but he’s a regular guy that’s lucked his way to a huge audience.
He’s with you. Not against you.
Nicely put.
I’ve stayed out of the thread really, as I don’t listen to the podcast much anymore. Generally I just pick out a few interesting people or regulars to listen to. For example, I have no interest in hunting and wouldn’t bother sitting through three hours of it. You could consider someone pro hunting to be right wing, however, his view of only killing animals for food has nothing to do with trophy hunting. Again, I probably wouldn’t do it myself, but I’m sure there’s plenty of his fans that are pro guns and don’t see a difference between his view and theirs.
He said some stuff about Greta on a recent podcast that I completely disagreed with and didn’t really like the way he was joking about her, considering all the cnuts saying similar things. That actually surprised me, but then again, I’m sane enough to remember he’s a comedian and will literally shit talk about anything. There’s so much stuff Rogan says negatively about right wing views, that I don’t see how you could be massively right wing and a fan of him.
Well, you don't sound at all like an idiot.
Have you taken into consideration the quantitative analysis about how Rogan invites right wingers (like Sam Harris) far more than he does left wingers? It may change your mind on Rogan.
He does have more 'right wing commentators' on his show it seems, if that is what we're calling it. Ignoring all the left wing people because they are not 'left wing commentators'.
But are there even that many 'left wing commentators' out there, who's job is primarily to go around and do speaking engagements discussing left wing ideas? Not that many spring to mind.
And why are all these 'right wing commentators' constantly being invited to speak at Universities? How many 'left wing commentators' are doing this circuit on a regular basis? Campuses are obviously more left wing so you'd think there would be a disparity in the other direction (just playing devils advocate I genuinely don't know the answer).
But are there even that many 'left wing commentators' out there, who's job is primarily to go around and do speaking engagements discussing left wing ideas? Not that many spring to mind.
And why are all these 'right wing commentators' constantly being invited to speak at Universities? How many 'left wing commentators' are doing this circuit on a regular basis? Campuses are obviously more left wing so you'd think there would be a disparity in the other direction (just playing devils advocate I genuinely don't know the answer).
So all this is kicking off because the internets are upset Bernie embraced Rogan’s endorsement?
Silly Dems...
Silly Dems...
He’s had Kyle Kulinski on twice. He’s had Jimmy Dore on. For example.
He also chooses to hang around with Bryan Callan, Eddie Bravo and Brendan Schaub so...
I saw a video from a trans person, I forget exactly the source, that said that there are no children being transitioned. It's a non-story, so it's a non-issue.
If right wingers watch Joe Rogan and find him credible, and he endorses Bernie Sanders, then that’s a great thing. We need more allies to cross over and people like Joe Rogan help with that.
I don't think anything Alex Jones has ever said or will say, will ever make him appear to be an "average Joe", certainly not anything he’s said on JRE.
Milo is the text book definition of a troll, he craves attention so he will say more and more outlandish shit until he gets it. I don't really understand hate speech laws but I'm pretty sure neither of the two examples you gave would fall under it, they are utterly dumb things to say but not criminally so (I missed the journalist one, but even that is tehincally not as it's a job type?). Watch the clip of that conversation again, Joe does it in a fairly affable way and there is laughter but very seriously and actively going after the subject matter, making mincemeat of Milo's stupid attempts to defend clear abuse that happened to him. Milo lost a book deal and a lot of credibility off the back of that podcast, so while I find him a vile person and have no interest in listening to him if he were on again, is it such a bad thing that Joe unintentionally gave him the rope to hang himself at bit?
There is this eternal argument of wither it's better to shine a light on bad idea's or not speak of them, which is a better way to defeat them. I dunno the right answer, but know for sure, it’s not on Joe Rogan UFC commentator, B-list comedian to decide either,.
People have started attaching all this to the JRE because of how "powerful a platform it is" that he has the responsibility to be fair and or balanced, or be careful about the messages he spreads. And to be fair, they have a bit of a point, but he didn't invent Milo, it's not like Milo wasn't on countless news programs and mainstream TV shows, the fact Joe Rogan is held to a higher standard than them is the funniest thing Joe has ever done.
I am fully aware of Rogan's subreddit, it's not even that bad compared to the Rogan board. I think the JRE would do more to combat someone that was "incel susceptible" from become that way than pulling them further down the path. But I understand that I might be ignorant or at least heavily biased.
Youtube comments and Reddit are general, a shit show and a vocal minority, most people watch and don't say anything. I'm not going to even attempt to argue the demographic of the audience but I'm fairly certain it's at worse "mostly" right wing.
Joe himself, I don't see the overwhelming right wingedness of him. He's pro gun? has some transgender hang ups?
He's had 3 Democratic candidates on the show this year, Yang, Gabbard and Sanders, arguably the most left wing of all their roster of 55, whom he favourably speaks of. He had one guy from the Republican part on in the last few years and he seemed fairly moderate from what I recall.
He has voted for the Democrats in presidential elections and Libertarian only because he disliked Hilary Clinton a sentiment shared by more than a few, but not Republican.
He doesn't really fit the mould as a Right Wing guy any more so than he does Left, which is where centrist gets thrown about, which I don't really agree with either. But, if anything I'd say he's more left leaning than not, unless I'm missing something, which is possible.
Agree that whoever he has on his show shouldn't completely discredit him.What discredits Rogan is his own personal views, I think @DiseaseOfTheAge made the point well by saying Rogan really hasn't got a view on anything, yes he has some vague liberal undertones(He's a rich guy living in LA)but he could be easily convinced that Elon Musk should be the single world leader of the planet or that actually Posadism is the only true political way forward.
What Rogan does have in his favour, is his ability to sum up nicely the average hyper normalised american citizen. Rogan knows the current order of things isn't right, that everything is corrupt, that something needs to change but Rogan like everyone is so completely alienated that he can't see a way forward. Which is why he can vote for a far right party in 2016(Libertarian Party)and then in 2020 plan to vote for a socialist.
Although Joe Rogan political views will have zero impact on the primaries.
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Libertarians are centrist. Not far right.
Rogan is pro government intervention when it protects people, which is very very far left for a Libertarian.
I’ve spoken up for the platform lots in this thread.
My only point is that he has followers that Hang on his every word yet don’t realise that he’s not that bright. He has a thirst to learn, sure. But he never gets out of his own way when he has put a line in the sand.
He’s open minded in everything he’s not close minded about.
I think the hypothetical litmus test is whether America would be a better place if every single person had his moral and political compass. I think it would. But, while better, that’s probably still not a country I’d want to see
He thrives on absurdity and discusses the fringe as if it’s the majority, which is just plain stupid.
Also : He states his number one love above all else is Stand Up, but he’s probably worse than any 10+ year stand up that comes on his show. He’s funny... But He doesn’t leave America enough. He never works stand up outside America. He’s blinkered. His top tier comedic guests routinely expose him as being stunted.
Milo literally identifies as a troll. He’s a vapid waste of space that got all that he deserved.
He did some funny shit every now and again, but I’m glad to see him buried for being a garbage human being.
He's had Sanders on his show and none of the mainstream candidates who he is usually quite critical of, and now he's endorsed Sanders. You don't think this has an impact? I think it will.
They both have broad appeal to the liberal libertarian & independent types. How impactful that actually is I can only speak to colloquially though.
Clinton had ton of celebrities back her and she lost, Corbyn had a ton of celebrities back him and he lost. I'm sure the people who listened to the Rogan episode with Bernie came away thinking he isn't the evil radical left monster that the media paint him out to be but its another thing for these people to sign up for a democratic primary and go out and vote.
And maybe this is just me being pessimistic but in the west we live in such a deeply alienated and hyper normalised world (Yes I know we all live in a society!)that its going to take more than pushing left social democratic ideas on podcasts to get people to really organise. Which for the great many things the Bernie campaign does, its main theory of change seems to shouting left wing ideas at the american public and hoping for a positive response.
That's a bit different to zero impact. If you're arguing there'll be minimal impact then I don't think you'll get many disagreements, he's just a stoner who talks cod-shit at the end of the day.
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I haven had a chance to watch this one yet but it sounds really intriguing.
Topical episode, Michael Osterholm is an internationally recognised expert in infectious disease epidemiology. Lots of talk about the Coronavirus obviously.
Don't know much about American politics but the podcasts on the Mexican drug war are absolutely fascinating.
He's such a knuckledragger.
Yeah, full exclusivity from next year for both audio and video versions. YouTube will probably push one of many other podcasts too try replace him but the traffic and ad revenue he generates for them must be monumental if that is the figure being offered by Spotify.