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Yup just take a look at the comments under the video he endorsed Bernie Sanders. ToxicYou've done a survey have you?
Yup just take a look at the comments under the video he endorsed Bernie Sanders. ToxicYou've done a survey have you?
He is like the political centre of the cafe (in the general at least). Way more open and Liberal than the average person, not afraid of some un-pc humour but no real hatred of anyone.Comes off as a regular person.
That's kind of the vibe I got. So imagine my shock reading this as if he's basically a sane Alex JonesHe is like the political centre of the cafe (in the general at least). Way more open and Liberal than the average person, not afraid of some un-pc humour but no real hatred of anyone.
“He’s an asshole and he shouldn’t endorse these people but he can endorse this person because this person is my person”You need to relax, dude.
Couldnt care less about his own political opinions. You cant label yourself a centrist when all you do is invite guests who fall on the right spectrum. What I mean by normalising is giving dangerous individuals like Alex Jones and Milo a platform, to paint them as your normal average joe and not the vile hateful creatures they are.Joe has his issues, but I feel like he at least pays lip service to accepting mistakes and reflects on being an asshole sometimes, which is worth something.
I don't see how he normalised either of them, what is normalising someone?
Alex Jones ranted like a gibbering baboon for 8 hours or so, combined, on his appearances.
All I took away from it was, that he's a deeply troubled person that talks a massive amount of absolute rubbish and you shouldn't take his word on anything. He's been right a few times about conspiracies, wither thats a broken clock syndrome or not doesn't really matter as he will immediately run the greatest disinformation campaign the world has ever seen, on himself, in the very next breath. He's probably right that Hilary Clinton isn't a nice person, but not correct about the fact that she's a transdimensional pot-bellied emotional vampire goblin.
Milo was on a few times, I can't say I listened beyond the first one, he was clearly an attention seeking troll of the highest order, he'll say whatever just to get a rise out of people. Gavin McInnes(?) or whatever was very similar and that blew up in his face pretty good as well.
If you can't judge people for what they are over a long period of time, that's kinda on you, anyone can sound smart with prepared bit or a 3 minute News talking head interview or some clever editing. But being exposed in a normal-ish conversation over a coupla hours, you tend to get found out. Like I quite like Adam Conover, but he shit the bed pretty hard on Rogan and that might be a contributor to the current "he's a transphobe" talk as people clipped that episode up alot.
You don’t see any of it because you’re choosing to be blind to it. Or you just don’t understand what I wrote.To be honest, you're more worked up about this than I'm. Half your post is ascribing to me positions that I haven't taken. I haven't said he shouldn't be having these guests and repeated this clearly several times, so I have no idea why you're saying I'm trying to shut down conversations with people I don't agree with. You say that more general guests that come on the show are sufficient to offset against whatever right wing guests say, and I can't see how a talk with random entertainer/comedian, scientist or fighter would do that. You ask for an example of a "credible and interesting" leftist that could have been on the show. While I'm sure I could give you examples (take Chomsky for example), I find it more amusing that you would impose this condition on leftists when it clearly hasn't been applied to right-wingers that have appeared on the show.
Abortion?One of the main reasons he isn't considered right wing is because he's an atheist. He was one of the proponents of new atheism. If he was Christian and sported the same views on many of these issues, he would be considered a right winger.
Whatever percentage the right/far right commentators (or chancers as you called them) episodes make of the show, the corresponding percentage of leftist commentators is way smaller. Your argument rests on your belief that "Liberal guests debate every single aspect of every single centrist or left leaning policies and beliefs, every single week" with which I couldn't disagree more. Vast majority guests that come on the show discuss non-political things. Even some of the people who have been listed in this thread as leftists on the show were just entertainers who discussed other things (e.g. Jon Roson is a filmmaker who spent almost the entire episode discussing porn/history of online porn). You're championing a massive false equivalence then saying "anyone should try to debate that is bonkers".You don’t see any of it because you’re choosing to be blind to it. Or you just don’t understand what I wrote.
Just answer the very simple question. The one that - truthfully answered - skewers your whole point;
Do you believe that 10% or more of his show is right/far right discussion?
The liberal discussion drowns out the silly right leaning stuff by a huge volume. It’s a massively left leaning show. Liberal guests debate every single aspect of every single centrist or left leaning policies and beliefs, every single week. That anyone should try to debate that is bonkers.
The right wing guests are outliers. To pretend they are the majority is Trumpian.
Using just your example: A whole podcast openly debating porn isn’t left wing politics. But it’s certainly something that absolutely alienates huge swathes of right wing listeners.Whatever percentage the right/far right commentators (or chancers as you called them) episodes make of the show, the corresponding percentage of leftist commentators is way smaller. Your argument rests on your belief that "Liberal guests debate every single aspect of every single centrist or left leaning policies and beliefs, every single week" with which I couldn't disagree more. Vast majority guests that come on the show discuss non-political things. Even some of the people who have been listed in this thread as leftists on the show were just entertainers who discussed other things (e.g. Jon Roson is a filmmaker who spent almost the entire episode discussing porn/history of online porn). You're championing a massive false equivalence then saying "anyone should try to debate that is bonkers".
Exactly, he’s still left wing even by internet standards - by “real world” standards he’s practically Karl Marx.I had no idea Joe Rogan was deemed right wing. Yikes. I only listen to his podcast when he has a guest on that I Know or have some interests in. He always seems to be pro science to me. I wouldn't call him a left wing socialist but he's nut exactly Ben Shapiro either. Comes off as a regular person.
I mean you can criticise what the person is saying, but it's different when you insult someone outright.“He’s an asshole and he shouldn’t endorse these people but he can endorse this person because this person is my person”
I don’t need to relax. People need to think about what they say.
Like I said it's controversial. Even his views on abortion have been all over the place, and the whole Charles Murray thing. But perhaps I'm wrong about Harris.Abortion?
Drugs?
Homosexuality?
You’re painting yourself into a rapidly shrinking corner. Just stop.
You’re right. I was bewildered at the lack of self awareness. But also an asshole with it. My badI mean you can criticise what the person is saying, but it's different when you insult someone outright.
I think thats a bit unfair or simplistic. It seemed more related to cancel culture to me. I thought it was to advertise a book on that tbh, with part of it being about August Ames and using his previous experience of talking to people in that industry.Whatever percentage the right/far right commentators (or chancers as you called them) episodes make of the show, the corresponding percentage of leftist commentators is way smaller. Your argument rests on your belief that "Liberal guests debate every single aspect of every single centrist or left leaning policies and beliefs, every single week" with which I couldn't disagree more. Vast majority guests that come on the show discuss non-political things. Even some of the people who have been listed in this thread as leftists on the show were just entertainers who discussed other things (e.g. Jon Roson is a filmmaker who spent almost the entire episode discussing porn/history of online porn). You're championing a massive false equivalence then saying "anyone should try to debate that is bonkers".
That's an interesting take. I think I understand your point better now. I can accept that majority of guests have liberal sensibilities and many times the discussion would be on subject matters that, even if non-political per se, would alienate right wing audience. However, I'm genuinely interested to hear how this sufficiently offsets against far/right wing "chancers", who have far more appearances than "voices of left wing doctrine" in the show.Using just your example: A whole podcast openly debating porn isn’t left wing politics. But it’s certainly something that absolutely alienates huge swathes of right wing listeners.
I wouldn’t put him up as a voice of left wing doctrine, but that podcasts would offend so many conservative minds. It’s still liberal discussion.
You’ve got to be sensible and even in your critique. You haven’t done that at any turn.
I’ve obviously got no quarrel with you.That's an interesting take. I think I understand your point better now. I can accept that majority of guests have liberal sensibilities and many times the discussion would be on subject matters that, even if non-political per se, would alienate right wing audience. However, I'm genuinely interested to hear how this sufficiently offsets against far/right wing "chancers", who have far more appearances than "voices of left wing doctrine" in the show.
Nicely put.I’ve obviously got no quarrel with you.
But I do rail against silly points of position. Anyone suggesting that Rogans podcast Is a breeding ground for right wing sentiments is looking through the wrong end of the telescope.
He rips the shit out of Trump, Evangelicals, Maga-to-the-hilt types. He has hosted Yang, Tulsi and Bernie, he has backed the Democrat party. Backs environmental controls, women’s rights, is not racist in any way, shape or form, routinely talks about the Original people of Northern America to an extent nobody else does. He’s pro people, wants a light touch government and wants the people to control the country and live happily together.
Don’t look for him to come all of the way on all of your issues. Your parents probably don’t and you love them.
He’s a comedian and jokes come first. Maybe inappropriately but he’s a regular guy that’s lucked his way to a huge audience.
He’s with you. Not against you.
Well, you don't sound at all like an idiot.Yup just take a look at the comments under the video he endorsed Bernie Sanders. Toxic
Have you taken into consideration the quantitative analysis about how Rogan invites right wingers (like Sam Harris) far more than he does left wingers? It may change your mind on Rogan.I’ve obviously got no quarrel with you.
But I do rail against silly points of position. Anyone suggesting that Rogans podcast Is a breeding ground for right wing sentiments is looking through the wrong end of the telescope.
He rips the shit out of Trump, Evangelicals, Maga-to-the-hilt types. He has hosted Yang, Tulsi and Bernie, he has backed the Democrat party. Backs environmental controls, women’s rights, is not racist in any way, shape or form, routinely talks about the Original people of Northern America to an extent nobody else does. He’s pro people, wants a light touch government and wants the people to control the country and live happily together.
Don’t look for him to come all of the way on all of your issues. Your parents probably don’t and you love them.
He’s a comedian and jokes come first. Maybe inappropriately but he’s a regular guy that’s lucked his way to a huge audience.
He’s with you. Not against you.
He’s had Kyle Kulinski on twice. He’s had Jimmy Dore on. For example.He does have more 'right wing commentators' on his show it seems, if that is what we're calling it. Ignoring all the left wing people because they are not 'left wing commentators'.
But are there even that many 'left wing commentators' out there, who's job is primarily to go around and do speaking engagements discussing left wing ideas? Not that many spring to mind.
And why are all these 'right wing commentators' constantly being invited to speak at Universities? How many 'left wing commentators' are doing this circuit on a regular basis? Campuses are obviously more left wing so you'd think there would be a disparity in the other direction (just playing devils advocate I genuinely don't know the answer).
I saw a video from a trans person, I forget exactly the source, that said that there are no children being transitioned. It's a non-story, so it's a non-issue.I’ll back him up on not wanting to give hormone blockers to children.
I don't think anything Alex Jones has ever said or will say, will ever make him appear to be an "average Joe", certainly not anything he’s said on JRE.Couldnt care less about his own political opinions. You cant label yourself a centrist when all you do is invite guests who fall on the right spectrum. What I mean by normalising is giving dangerous individuals like Alex Jones and Milo a platform, to paint them as your normal average joe and not the vile hateful creatures they are.
Calling Milo a troll really? He called for journalists to be gunned down, he said it was okay for a 13 year old and an adult to be in a relationship and after the Christ Church Mosque shooting said it was due to the establishment pandering to the left. Where do you draw the line between hate speech and being a troll?
People dont understand the fact the audiences of these shows like Rogan's and Peterson's are generally young individuals, they often fall down the rabbit hole of alt right, this is why online communities like incels are thriving, because of Rogans, Shapiros and Petersons.
Go take a look at the the Rogan subreddit or the comments under his videos and tell me Rogan is a centrist. If Rogan is putting out unbiased and balanced podcasts why is his audience wholly made of RW people?
Agree that whoever he has on his show shouldn't completely discredit him.What discredits Rogan is his own personal views, I think @DiseaseOfTheAge made the point well by saying Rogan really hasn't got a view on anything, yes he has some vague liberal undertones(He's a rich guy living in LA)but he could be easily convinced that Elon Musk should be the single world leader of the planet or that actually Posadism is the only true political way forward.when I say it doesn't matter I just meant we shouldn't discredit his viewpoint based on the people he has on his show
Libertarians are centrist. Not far right.Which is why he can vote for a far right party in 2016(Libertarian Party)and then in 2020 plan to vote for a socialist.
Milo literally identifies as a troll. He’s a vapid waste of space that got all that he deserved.Milo is the text book definition of a troll,
He's had Sanders on his show and none of the mainstream candidates who he is usually quite critical of, and now he's endorsed Sanders. You don't think this has an impact? I think it will.Although Joe Rogan political views will have zero impact on the primaries.
They both have broad appeal to the liberal libertarian & independent types. How impactful that actually is I can only speak to colloquially though.He's had Sanders on his show and none of the mainstream candidates who he is usually quite critical of, and now he's endorsed Sanders. You don't think this has an impact? I think it will.
Clinton had ton of celebrities back her and she lost, Corbyn had a ton of celebrities back him and he lost. I'm sure the people who listened to the Rogan episode with Bernie came away thinking he isn't the evil radical left monster that the media paint him out to be but its another thing for these people to sign up for a democratic primary and go out and vote.He's had Sanders on his show and none of the mainstream candidates who he is usually quite critical of, and now he's endorsed Sanders. You don't think this has an impact? I think it will.
That's a bit different to zero impact. If you're arguing there'll be minimal impact then I don't think you'll get many disagreements, he's just a stoner who talks cod-shit at the end of the day.Clinton had ton of celebrities back her and she lost, Corbyn had a ton of celebrities back him and he lost. I'm sure the people who listened to the Rogan episode with Bernie came away thinking he isn't the evil radical left monster that the media paint him out to be but its another thing for these people to sign up for a democratic primary and go out and vote.
And maybe this is just me being pessimistic but in the west we live in such a deeply alienated and hyper normalised world (Yes I know we all live in a society!)that its going to take more than pushing left social democratic ideas on podcasts to get people to really organise. Which for the great many things the Bernie campaign does, its main theory of change seems to shouting left wing ideas at the american public and hoping for a positive response.
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Yeah, full exclusivity from next year for both audio and video versions. YouTube will probably push one of many other podcasts too try replace him but the traffic and ad revenue he generates for them must be monumental if that is the figure being offered by Spotify.