Film Joker (2019)

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He's going to write some strongly worded emails to some companies expressing his utter dissatisfaction with their products, when in reality he hasn't even tried them.

DC should stick to dark like V for Vendetta and Dark Knight. Marvel have the light-hearted, comedic comic book film down to a T, and whenever DC try to replicate it it just looks like a cheap imitation.
Agreed – Their ventures into the lighter hearted movies have been disastrous. Hilariously I’ve heard comic book fans complaining that this is too serious – Maybe they want another Suicide Squad version which was an abomination.

This movie could be exceptional. Phoenix is an all-time great - maybe the best actor to enter the DC or Marvel movies – With a particular skill for playing mentally unstable characters. The trailer is pretty much everything I wanted to see.
 

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This movie could be exceptional. Phoenix is an all-time great - maybe the best actor to enter the DC or Marvel movies – With a particular skill for playing mentally unstable characters. The trailer is pretty much everything I wanted to see.
Agreed, it's very good casting.
 

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The origin story of Joker?
The "origin" of Joker can be told in 100 different ways. I saw a video by Looper which suggested it looks like it's inspired by an old De Niro film (and that's why he agreed to doing this film in the first place)

In this film there is a plot to kidnap a famous talkshow host so a deranged comedian (played by Robert De Niro) can take his place. There are hints in the trailer that De Niro plays the talk show host instead and Joker takes his place (you can see this in the trailer, when the curtains are raised and De Niro was coming out in one frame and Joker in another. Fwd to 1min 54 in the trailer).
 

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It's a promising sign when Robert Di Niro is on board for a movie such as this. For a while he's been content taking easy-money comedy roles, but he rarely ever takes serious movies without having a lot of faith in the screenplay itself.

Did a quick check on the director and was quite surprised to find that the movie was written and directed by Todd Phillips. His back catalogue of work is almost exclusively cheesy comedies :-
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Long story short, there's a reason you see a lot of comedy/horror 'genre' directors who can 'make the transition' into broader sensibilities. Your Peter Jacksons, your Adam McKays, your James Wans, your Russo brothers to name some more contemporary examples. James Cameron is another good example.

It has to do with them being good students of visual information transfer. To execute good horror/comedy you have to know emotion and timing really well, and this ability often translates well into other emotional territories.

Roughly in order of ascending difficulty: horror -> comedy -> drama/sentimentality. AKA it's pretty hard to scare people without being laughed at, it's harder than that to get people to laugh without being cheesy, and it's much much much MUCH harder than that to tug at heartstrings without being laughed at and or being cheesy. (Obviously you'll get people who excel at one or the other)

Anyways, this is also why you'll never find a pro of sufficient quality 'looking down on' a 'genre hack' if that 'hack' work is well-executed. The former can see those 'hacks' know what they're doing and are making genre pics out of love of the craft and not because they don't know how to do anything else.

Hope that kind of illustrates why we sometimes see the 'comedy/horror' guy work his courage up to try his hand at 'more dramatic (difficult)' fare.
 

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Long story short, there's a reason you see a lot of comedy/horror 'genre' directors who can 'make the transition' into broader sensibilities. Your Peter Jacksons, your Adam McKays, your James Wans, your Russo brothers to name some more contemporary examples. James Cameron is another good example.

It has to do with them being good students of visual information transfer. To execute good horror/comedy you have to know emotion and timing really well, and this ability often translates well into other emotional territories.

Roughly in order of ascending difficulty: horror -> comedy -> drama/sentimentality. AKA it's pretty hard to scare people without being laughed at, it's harder than that to get people to laugh without being cheesy, and it's much much much MUCH harder than that to tug at heartstrings without being laughed at and or being cheesy. (Obviously you'll get people who excel at one or the other)

Anyways, this is also why you'll never find a pro of sufficient quality 'looking down on' a 'genre hack' if that 'hack' work is well-executed. The former can see those 'hacks' know what they're doing and are making genre pics out of love of the craft and not because they don't know how to do anything else.

Hope that kind of illustrates why we sometimes see the 'comedy/horror' guy work his courage up to try his hand at 'more dramatic (difficult)' fare.
Oh, I definitely understand the desire for genre specialists to try other things, and I'd never write anyone off ahead of that pursuit. Who knew Bryan Cranston would transition so well into a serious role? Then again, it has been said by Vince Gilligan that comedic specialists are much more able to transition to serious roles rather than the opposite due to the ad-lib nature of the comedian and how that benefits their serious character work.
 

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DC has really gone shit. They put all their eggs in one batsket and it is boring.
 

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Love the simple look to him.

Joker has been done so fecking much but I almost always find him a fascinating character. Best comic book villain ever.
 

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He's a great actor, but that trailer does nothing for me. Looks like it's going to be an average movie in terms of the story.
 

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I just don't see the special appeal here, it just looks like a pretty generic comic book origin story with the twist being that it focuses on a villain.

What's so brilliant about it?
 

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Phoenix is sublime actor but can he really top Nicholson's performance ? Ledger was unique in his own way, too. I'm quite interested in this movie, because maybe the city won't explode and there will be you know... the actual plot with character buildup ?

Perhaps I'm wrong and this one's only for hardcore Phoenix fans, but at least no CGI moustaches and that's a progress.
 

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I just don't see the special appeal here, it just looks like a pretty generic comic book origin story with the twist being that it focuses on a villain.

What's so brilliant about it?
This movie is going to be the most UN-superhero-villain movie of all time! It's a low-buget character centered movie with phenomenal acting. It's the very opposite of generic.

If it's not your type of movie then fine, but don't go calling it generic. ;)
 

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Phoenix is sublime actor but can he really top Nicholson's performance ? Ledger was unique in his own way, too. I'm quite interested in this movie, because maybe the city won't explode and there will be you know... the actual plot with character buildup ?

Perhaps I'm wrong and this one's only for hardcore Phoenix fans, but at least no CGI moustaches and that's a progress.
Nicholson is one of my faves, but he wasn't a particularly good Joker.

Ledger is a different story. He was imperious.

Mark Hamill was superb as well.

But, Phoenix will top them all! Oscar shoe-in!
 

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Nicholson is one of my faves, but he wasn't a particularly good Joker.

Ledger is a different story. He was imperious.

Mark Hamill was superb as well.

But, Phoenix will top them all! Oscar shoe-in!
No one will ever best Ledger.
 

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I just don't see the special appeal here, it just looks like a pretty generic comic book origin story with the twist being that it focuses on a villain.

What's so brilliant about it?
Agree. It looks kind of boring to me.

How is this Joker and his backstory going to tie in to the Batman movies? Are they re-doing more Batman movies? And if so, why? They'll never top the Nolan/Bale trilogy.

They've muddied the water too much with the Suicide Squad Joker, and now this.
 

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Agree. It looks kind of boring to me.

How is this Joker and his backstory going to tie in to the Batman movies? Are they re-doing more Batman movies? And if so, why? They'll never top the Nolan/Bale trilogy.

They've muddied the water too much with the Suicide Squad Joker, and now this.
This isn't going to tie in with anything. Word is this isn't even the Joker we know, but rather a role model for the latter. It's not going to be action packed. Low-budge and brilliant.
 

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This isn't going to tie in with anything. Word is this isn't even the Joker we know, but rather a role model for the latter. It's not going to be action packed. Low-budge and brilliant.
Interesting, so the Joker we know is basing himself off this Joker?
 

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This movie is going to be the most UN-superhero-villain movie of all time! It's a low-buget character centered movie with phenomenal acting. It's the very opposite of generic.

If it's not your type of movie then fine, but don't go calling it generic. ;)
We don’t know if it will have phenomenal acting. I mean Jared Leto was a god damn Oscar winner and well the least said about his Joker the better.

Personally I don’t really get the point of this film if it’s not to tie in somewhere but seemingly there will be more stand alone films like this one from “DC Dark”

I’m sure I’ll watch it out of curiosity as the Joker is one of the best characters anyone could play but has to be a good story and if you’re going to do a Joker movie surely you do the killing joke make it an 18 and be done with it. Because I somehow doubt they’d ever tell that story in the DCU.

This looks like a bastardisation of the Joker being the redhood/comedy club/mobhand.
 

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We don’t know if it will have phenomenal acting. I mean Jared Leto was a god damn Oscar winner and well the least said about his Joker the better.

Personally I don’t really get the point of this film if it’s not to tie in somewhere but seemingly there will be more stand alone films like this one from “DC Dark”

I’m sure I’ll watch it out of curiosity as the Joker is one of the best characters anyone could play but has to be a good story and if you’re going to do a Joker movie surely you do the killing joke make it an 18 and be done with it. Because I somehow doubt they’d ever tell that story in the DCU.

This looks like a bastardisation of the Joker being the redhood/comedy club/mobhand.
The Killing Joke is about the Joker we know.

This movie is apparently about another Joker. The one that might have inspired the "real" Joker. As for Leto, less said about him the better.

But, just look at this preview. It has several scenes of astounding acting by Phoenix in what resembles an art house film. I'm extremely positive about it, mainly because I'm so over high budget action superhero movies. This one will cater for people like me. It will probably be poorly received by the majority of moviegoers.
 

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Another tired variation on Joaquin's overwrought misfit schlub? Such an indulgence.
 

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The Killing Joke is about the Joker we know.

This movie is apparently about another Joker. The one that might have inspired the "real" Joker. As for Leto, less said about him the better.

But, just look at this preview. It has several scenes of astounding acting by Phoenix in what resembles an art house film. I'm extremely positive about it, mainly because I'm so over high budget action superhero movies. This one will cater for people like me. It will probably be poorly received by the majority of moviegoers.
From what I can gather from the trailer they are taking material from one of the Joker stories. I can’t recall what it’s called but there are many similarities there.

Personally I’m not a great Joaquin fan and I think Dumbo below sums him up rather well so already it has that working against it for me and I don’t particularly see anything great in that trailer especially when we’ve just seen Camerons version of the Joker which was simply brilliant.
 

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No one will ever best Ledger.
I think you’re right. That film is my favourite ever. Just gripping start to finish.

Hope that this will be a top class film. I’m excited for it. But I doubt it will come close to The Dark Knight.

I’d rank it as the best film I’ve ever seen too. I watch it once or twice a year now and it’s just amazing. Surround sound when things start to kick off... chills.
 

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From what I can gather from the trailer they are taking material from one of the Joker stories. I can’t recall what it’s called but there are many similarities there.

Personally I’m not a great Joaquin fan and I think Dumbo below sums him up rather well so already it has that working against it for me and I don’t particularly see anything great in that trailer especially when we’ve just seen Camerons version of the Joker which was simply brilliant.
I hope you watch the new Joker one day and put your dislike for Phoenix to the side. I also know how difficult it would be. I just can't enjoy movies with actors I hate.

From a person who has, up to this trailer, not had a particularly soft spot for Joaquin - I marveled at what I've seen from his performance.
 

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I think you’re right. That film is my favourite ever. Just gripping start to finish.

Hope that this will be a top class film. I’m excited for it. But I doubt it will come close to The Dark Knight.

I’d rank it as the best film I’ve ever seen too. I watch it once or twice a year now and it’s just amazing. Surround sound when things start to kick off... chills.
Exactly, it's one of the GOAT movies and most definitely the best 'superhero' movie to date.

And to top all the awesomeness off we have that iconic Ledger performance, which has rightly gone down in history as one of the GOAT performances too.

I'm 32, so I can say that this movie was one of the iconic ones of my generation.

My only criticism is that I don't find Maggie Gyllenhaal attractive at all. That's it.
 

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He's a great actor, but that trailer does nothing for me. Looks like it's going to be an average movie in terms of the story.
Yes, the trailer looks painfully boring. Classic fanboys getting excited over nothing.


This isn't going to tie in with anything. Word is this isn't even the Joker we know, but rather a role model for the latter. It's not going to be action packed. Low-budge and brilliant.
What exactly is supposed to be brilliant in this movie? The fact that they convinced you that it is brilliant low budget Joker movie that isn't about Joker everyone likes?
 

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Yes, the trailer looks painfully boring. Classic fanboys getting excited over nothing.




What exactly is supposed to be brilliant in this movie? The fact that they convinced you that it is brilliant low budget Joker movie that isn't about Joker everyone likes?
I don't think this movie is for you. Just relax. We all have different tastes.
 

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Exactly, it's one of the GOAT movies and most definitely the best 'superhero' movie to date.

And to top all the awesomeness off we have that iconic Ledger performance, which has rightly gone down in history as one of the GOAT performances too.

I'm 32, so I can say that this movie was one of the iconic ones of my generation.

My only criticism is that I don't find Maggie Gyllenhaal attractive at all. That's it.
Nolan is my favorite director for a reason. He, along with Zimmer and Ledger, created a masterpiece.

I even liked Dark Knight Rises!
 

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This is something that excites me far more than the cliched Marvel trash.