Jordan Pickford...

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Still harsh I feel, over a 20 year career. I think he was world class in his day and on a completely different level to the other names on that list. Just made me sad seeing him on the same list as Pickford and Carson!
 

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His heroics at the world cup will have bought him more time, but Dean should be the backup most definitely.

I should hope Dean will be #1 very soon though.
Yes he probably needs to wait a bit more.
 

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His heroics at the world cup will have bought him more time, but Dean should be the backup most definitely.

I should hope Dean will be #1 very soon though.
Thing is though, he actually tends to perform for England.
 

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Still harsh I feel, over a 20 year career. I think he was world class in his day and on a completely different level to the other names on that list. Just made me sad seeing him on the same list as Pickford and Carson!
Yeah, he was quality, even the best make mistakes. It's crazy to think we went from having loads of quality goalkeepers for years, especially in the 60s and 70s, to this. We STILL haven't replaced Seaman for nearly 20 years.
 

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But for how long is what I would say

It was the same thing with Hart, but sooner or later the club form bleeds over
Not sure I agree re Hart, if anything I think his England form went first (months after Euro 16 which he royally fecked up the nation went on an outrage on his behalf when Pep dare decided to replace him).

I think Pickford is the opposite of what we're use to seeing with England, he looks like someone who see's club football as a chore but absolutely loves playing for England.
 

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Yeah, he was quality, even the best make mistakes. It's crazy to think we went from having loads of quality goalkeepers for years, especially in the 60s and 70s, to this. We STILL haven't replaced Seaman for nearly 20 years.
Keepers are being asked to do so much now and have such a large skill set, that it’s no wonder there aren’t the same amount.

I think the pressure of being England GK must be insane too. Anyone else on the pitch can make several mistakes a game and get off with it. If you make one all tournament long, you’re a laughing stock.
 

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Keepers are being asked to do so much now and have such a large skill set, that it’s no wonder there aren’t the same amount.

I think the pressure of being England GK must be insane too. Anyone else on the pitch can make several mistakes a game and get off with it. If you make one all tournament long, you’re a laughing stock.
True enough, but the likes of Pickford and Hart are just not on Seaman's level, I hope Henderson can reach that level, and with us too.
 

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Still harsh I feel, over a 20 year career. I think he was world class in his day and on a completely different level to the other names on that list. Just made me sad seeing him on the same list as Pickford and Carson!
I'd go with that. When I was at school, the debate was always whether or not it was Seaman or Schmeichel who was the best goalkeeper in the PL. Those two were always a tier above the likes of James, Martyn, Flowers etc.
 

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I am a fan of Pickford and he is still relatively young for a goalkeeper.
Yes he makes the occasional mistake.
So does DDG and every other keeper.

His main attribute apart from being a top class shot stopper is the way he commands his area.
 

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I'd go with that. When I was at school, the debate was always whether or not it was Seaman or Schmeichel who was the best goalkeeper in the PL. Those two were always a tier above the likes of James, Martyn, Flowers etc.

Flowers was a great shot-stopper and cocky, reminds me a bit of the modern England #1's in that regard. Martyn, I always liked.
 

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Flowers was a great shot-stopper and cocky, reminds me a bit of the modern England #1's in that regard. Martyn, I always liked.
Yeah I always thought Nigel Martyn was decent. Not the level of Seaman, but a good solid keeper.

As a kid I always really liked Ian Walker too for some reason.
 

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Nigel Martyn was a really good keeper. David Seaman was one of the best keepers in Europe.
 

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Still harsh I feel, over a 20 year career. I think he was world class in his day and on a completely different level to the other names on that list. Just made me sad seeing him on the same list as Pickford and Carson!
Undoubtedly. It's not fair to judge Seaman on what he was doing in his late 30s after a solid career's worth of service. He was huge for England at Euro '96, pulling off some big and decisive saves against Scotland (Durie header, McCallister penalty), Holland and Spain (Nadal penalty). And solid again at the World Cup in 1998. England simply didn't have to worry about the no1 shirt during the second half of the 1990s, which is the last time they could have said that.
 
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