I'm no Jose lover but yours is an especially ridiculous statement when you consider the quality of the squad Conte inherited from Jose at Chelsea. Also considering the shite squad Jose inherited at United. Our squad had been mismanaged for years.
José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances
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That should be every managers response to criticism, give me unlimited funds and I will buy the best squad in the league.
Not much of an achievement is it?.
Exactly , that's why Pep achievement is meaningless and puny according to your logic.
No manager can win the league with shite squad , they aren't the one who play football on the pitch.
It is far less impressive than it is made out to be.
Out of 10 outfield players, 8 are Jose's signing. He is backed by the board and spent as needed. You can't always hide behind "need more money" excuse.
Liverpool have bought like 2/3 players and many are already expecting them to challenge because of how they overachieved last season. Says a lot that Jose's fanboys are already giving excuses why we will not challenge despite Jose outspending Klopp and buying more than 10 players. Clubs who have done nothing close to us in terms of transfers seem more confident for the new season than us
Why are you complicating things? Title challenge means what it means. Challenging for the title. How City do is irrelevant. If Mourinho is incapable of challenging for a title after 3 seasons, he should be sacked.
Yes it is all about spending money and it isnt his fault. He has shown balls benching Pogba our club record signing, Martial a very expensive teenage signing and Shaw a huge fee for a teenage full back? The other side of the coin is he has so far failed to get them to perform for him and bring the best out of them. Whether that is the players attititude or his man management is another thing altogether.
Also in two years he has spent £300m lets not forget on seven players. Two have already left the club, one in Lindelof hasnt improved the side (I never wanted him personally, thought he was bang average when we signed him, early days but I dont see him improving enough....another that will be off within two years in my opinion). Then there is Pogba who we all know has all the ability in the world, gets as he says overly slated as he has hardly been bad for us but why is he not performing consitantly for us....like he did for Juve and France for example? Bailly very raw but ver talented defender, one very promising season one very dissappointing one, like Pogba seems to be struggling with the manager from what we read. Looking at his signings, arguably the only ones that have been consistantly successful so far are the three players he has worked with before.
I am not saying Mourinho isnt a good manager, he obviously is. The two things for me is I am not sure he is a great one anymore like he was. More importantly I am just not sure he is the right personality or style of manager for the club long term which is a fear many seemed to have before we appointed him. I was one of those, but he was the best manager available and a move we had to make. I do hope he is backed, I do hope we make another three possibly four signings and he gets the majority of the players he wants. That way there are no excuses if he fails...not that I want him to, I want us to succeed and to be playing entertaining football. It is just opinion but the majority of the signings that he has made, the number of signings (which as you allude to may not be his fault), the keeping of players that should be out of the door (there are a lot for him to get rid of, but keeping Fellaini for example....meh), his falling out with players, the style of football we are playing, the public criticising of individual players.......there are more worrying signs than positive ones for me over the last twelve months that implosion is more likely than trophies over the next 12 months
His last season here. I think the club gonna regret not sacking him before this season.
If things remain as is, it'll be his final season at the club.
Personally, never liked him and will be happy to see the back of him.
Personally, never liked him and will be happy to see the back of him.
Are you seriously equating us with teams like Atletico and Dortmund? No disrespect to them but those clubs do not have the resources behind them or the expectation to succeed as we do, but you paint us as one of those clubs like we are some plucky underdogs trying to overthrow evil empire City. This is embarrassing, you are putting down the club to defend fecking Mourinho, I would actually be surprised if there weren't more like you who support Mourinho instead of Manchester United but his cultists are everywhere evidently.
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It's insane is what it is.
People are now ready to pull out all the excuses and even equate us to the level of Dortmund and Atletico to defend Mourinho.
The wheels are turning and it's rightfully make or break time for Mourinho. If we're not in a title challenge by christmas I'm pretty sure it's curtains for the manager.
What if it's not his last season here since the board only gave him top 4 finish as target ? CAF will be going into meltdown. 
I think the environment in Old Trafford will turn poisonous if Mourinho serves another season of boring football and no title challenge. Mourinho will go into a meltdown and get himself fired or the board will be forced to let him go once the season ends.What if it's not his last season here since the board only gave him top 4 finish as target ? CAF will be going into meltdown.
And appoint who? Just out of interest.
Gary Neville now that Giggs is managing Wales
I wholeheartedly agree with this. I really hope that the club is getting some kind of longterm plan in place as we speak. It might not mean that Mourinho goes during this season or even next summer. Im not sure that would be the best course of action either, since the squad now is built to play Mourinho-football and nothing else. When the transition hopefully happens we are going to need to purchase almost an entire new central line. Players like Smalling, Matic, Fellaini and maybe even Lukaku needs to leave if we are going to play another type of football. Or at least their playing time needs to be significally reduced. Thats not going to happen overnight or over a season though.
And dont get me wrong: I dont want to get rid of them now. They are good players perfect for the type of football that Mourinho plays, and as long as he is here I hope they will play significant roles.
I just want that the club now takes a really hard look at what it wants to represent in the future. Get a DOF in that can represent the continuity that the club needs, set the basic structure of how United are supposed to play (offensively) and accept that managers today dont stay on more than 2-3 years in general. Identify one or two managers that can apply that "philosophy" and pounce when anyone of them becomes available. And back that manager in the transfer market immediately. And finally accept that it might be a challenge to switch playing style again. Our biggest mistake after SAF has been appointing a defensive coach in Moyes, then an offensive one in LVG and then again switching back to a defensive coach in Mourinho. There needs to be continuity in the way the club wants to play or we will never return to where we should be. My 5 cents at least.....
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Aye, aye stick to your guns. Jose is deeply underachieving with what he has, while fecking Sterling looks world class under Pep and shows his true colours while playing for England NT. Our squad is good enougj to challenge for the Prem and CL. Shitshow imitation of a title challenge until December does not cut it. Get your excuses ready for another major trophyless season with Mou.
Bollocks. You want us to become Arse. A shit trophy ecery couple of years. Two seasons of no title challenge. Being played out of the part against Sevilla. Klopp has done much better in CL with average Pool than Jose with United having bought 7-8 new players. Conte and Pep pissed on Jose in the prem. This season is very likely to be another shitshow. No proper title challenge for 3 seasons having spent half a billion? Feck off Jose, I'd say.
There is little point in criticising Jose before seeing the first 10-12 games in the new season, unless we lose several games already in August/September.
Maybe Jose has it in him to build and improve patiently teams, who knows?
Maybe Jose has it in him to build and improve patiently teams, who knows?
It’s utterly fecking pathetic mate.
I'm glad most are coming to this realisation. It can't be that we have a world class manager, several top class new signings and they are all sh*t. Its the like of the players above who have held this squad back for years. They must be replaced.
What Van Gaal did bringing 4/5 players in was the right thing to do, but they were the wrong signings. We need something like that again.
Surely this isn't too hard to understand is it? We are in a race for points with City. How City does is 100% relevant to how we can finish in the race.
If you are in a 100m race with Usain Bolt and he runs a 9.85s. If you have the ability to run a sub 9.9, you can challenge Bolt to the Gold. However if Bolt runs a 9.7s, there is no way you will be anywhere near him at the finish line if you run a 9.8+s race. How is Bolt's performance irrelevant to your title challenge?
It's posts like this that shows how far the fans expections are with reality, much like RAWK are. You think Atletico and Dortmund do not have the resources to succeed, yet you somehow believe that we have these resources in abundance? Where is our 500 million spend this season then? Why are we not splashing out on Ronaldo and Hazard then? Why is Perisic, Toby and Sandro such a hard buy?
Yes, we probably have more than those 2 teams, but what we have simply isn't enough to overthrow the moneybags clubs. And you are right, those clubs do not have the expectation to succeed as we do. Thus, maybe it's time for you to re-evaluate your expectations for the club given our current actual resources available.
Over and over and over and over and over and over and over.......
In the time Jose has been here we still play poor football and look nowhere near ready to challenge for the title, let alone the CL. In the same time Guardiola has built a formidable team that looked unstoppable for parts of last season, and Klopp is building a very exciting young team that play fantastic football - they also got within touching distance of winning the CL. It's not crazy for people to be worried and believe Jose isn't the right man for the job.
It helps in transfers that they've got a set way of playing, they are slowly plugging all the holes in the team. Bought a good defender last year, buying a world class goalkeeper this season.
Yeah, sure. Should have been sacked after we finished in the second place, the best in the league post-SAF? After getting 81 points in the league, having won the leage with 80 points in 00/01 and 10/11, we got 79 points during the treble season. This is 11 points more than the second best season after Fergie and 17 points more than the worst season after Fergie. A title challenge last season would have meant we'd had to beat our all-time point record of 91 from the 99/2000 season. Or should have we sacked him after winning the Europa League? And no, playing "boring football" is also not going to get a manager of a top team sacked.
This. Mourinho has clearly improved us massively and made us a top contender for the league again, which is nice for a change. Considering the kind of squad he inherited I would say he has done pretty well. Sacking him would be absolutely mental - also who would you even replace him with that would instantly win us the league as some fans are expecting here?
Boring football is shite and it does a lot of harm. Another piece of shite is giving up on the league for 2 seasons in a row. A toothless loss to Sevilla is another sackable offence. Not being able to get the best out of players (both old and new ones) is another indicator that can not compete properly neither in the prem nor in europe. He needs to deliver during his reign and deliver big. So far on both biggest stages he crumbled.
Was replying to a poster who said Mourinho should already be sacked. While I am not sure what I'll think in December or at the end of the season, there has been absolutely no reason to have Jose sacked by now, this might change by May but no reason up to now.
So much shite in this post.
Sorry mate, I misunderstood you then. However, I do believe that this season he needs to start to deliver.
Yes I didnt even wnt to bring up my personal thoughts on Lukaku as he scored a good amoutn of goals last season. Agree with what you are saying too, bar the DOF, just dont like them, want a manager to be in control of it all regardless of failure or success
Could have got Sarri?
Although I agree with most of what you say regardless of under achieving. our defence definately isnt good enough to challenge for the champions league
I'd say that the defense is on Jose too. Pool reached the CL final. Mou bought Lindelof and Bailly to build upon what we have already. He brought in Matic to shield the defense, and we do not over commit to attack anyways. I am sure Jose needs to do better with the material that he has at his disposal.
I dont agree, we have £2-300m worth of players we could sell. We have spend close to £90m on a player the last two seasons, there is a fair chance we will spend that or more on Bale if he leaves Madrid. The two truths I think are the last 5-6 years including the last two we havent bought well and we have also failed to get a lot of the good signing to perform too. The other truth is we ARENT the biggest club in the world, the Neymars. Mbappes, Hazards, Bales, Ronaldhinos are nearly always going to go to the two big Spanish sides over us, and lots will choose Bayern or Juve too.
Where I do think there is agreement in what you say is the more selfish mercenary type players who will go to the CURRENT big clubs with all the money to spend as they are only interested in money, personal glory and yes trophies rather than the privelige of representing historic great clubs....players like Neymar for example.
If Mourinho goes, Conte would/should be the obvious replacement.
Not exactly shocking, after years of uncertainty I think the Glazers would like a bit of CL stability. Rightly or wrongly I'd bet my life on Mourinho not getting sacked if we got CL again. What'll determine his long term future is how ambitious our owners are, if they want us to challenge for the league/CL then we may opt for a progressive manager in the future, if we're content with CL football then we may stick with Mourinho (not to say I don't believe he won't get us challenging at some point). Plus, it seems the manager is in no rush to make signings which to me indicates he's probably not sweating over his future barring a disaster.What if it's not his last season here since the board only gave him top 4 finish as target ? CAF will be going into meltdown.
If he falls behind Liverpool not only should be sacked but publically humiliated game of thrones fashion before getting the sac
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