Jose Mourinho sacked

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I wonder, after all these years at the very top with Porto, Chelsea, Inter Milan, Real Madrid, and Manchester United, I would like to think that Mourinho would have bought himself enough credit with his success and longevity in the business to change his ways and reinvent his playing style with Tottenham, a club that is not as big as the ones he managed, less expectations, had he played attacking football that suited the players he had, i am certain the media would've given him some sort of break and he would not be under pressure as much as he would be in Manchester or Chelsea.
 

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I wonder, after all these years at the very top with Porto, Chelsea, Inter Milan, Real Madrid, and Manchester United, I would like to think that Mourinho would have bought himself enough credit with his success and longevity in the business to change his ways and reinvent his playing style with Tottenham, a club that is not as big as the ones he managed, less expectations, had he played attacking football that suited the players he had, i am certain the media would give him some sort of break and he would not be under pressure as much as he would be under Manchester or Chelsea.
The point is that, he wasn’t the coach to deliver attacking football that Spurs crave. We knew it, the fans knew it, and I’m pretty sure Levy beloved that he’d sacrifice a season or two of ‘Spurs football’ for a trophy.
No point in dealing with hypotheses, Jose is Jose and is arrogant enough to believe that his view of football is the right one.

If Spurs want an exciting team with no holds barred attack, Bielsa is the coach they need
 

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I can now finally be happy about this twat going out. Good riddance, hope he destroys another club. Real Madrid preferrably.
 

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How is this thread only 18 pages? :lol:
Super League discussion overshadowing everything else, including the special one.

Who is even more special as he will stay the only manager of a super league club ever to be fired :lol:
 

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I wonder, after all these years at the very top with Porto, Chelsea, Inter Milan, Real Madrid, and Manchester United, I would like to think that Mourinho would have bought himself enough credit with his success and longevity in the business to change his ways and reinvent his playing style with Tottenham, a club that is not as big as the ones he managed, less expectations, had he played attacking football that suited the players he had, i am certain the media would've given him some sort of break and he would not be under pressure as much as he would be in Manchester or Chelsea.
It is completely Mourinho's fault that he did not reinvent his style. Instead I believe the fight with Guardiola's Barca broke him - he did win with Inter, and got a league title with Real Madrid, but since that time he insists of winning "the Mourinho way" - that ultra-defensive approach does just not make sense in normal games, and that is his downfall. Just too much of an egomaniac to accept reality it seems.
 

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Has he commented since the sacking?
 

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Just think this clown is getting gigantic pay-offs from his last 2 employers after being sacked for being a cnut at both of them.
Do they not pay him off on gardening leave and then when he gets a new job the payments stop?
 

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He seems to be merely another Trappatoni at this stage. A dour defensive dinosaur who went through a very dominant period due to working with the best players in the world for a while, won a rake of trophies, but no sane chairman of a top club would touch that kind of manager with a bargepole anymore.
 

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I wonder, after all these years at the very top with Porto, Chelsea, Inter Milan, Real Madrid, and Manchester United, I would like to think that Mourinho would have bought himself enough credit with his success and longevity in the business to change his ways and reinvent his playing style with Tottenham, a club that is not as big as the ones he managed, less expectations, had he played attacking football that suited the players he had, i am certain the media would've given him some sort of break and he would not be under pressure as much as he would be in Manchester or Chelsea.
Forgetting the pressure side, that is what he needed to do at our club. I thought at the time if he can adapt to our club ethos and embrace our traditions and adapt to us, he really will prove himself as one of the best managers of all time......he didnt. He did exactly what I feared he would do and that was try to get us to adapt to his way.

He was a brilliant manager up until his spell in Madrid where he didnt actually do badly. But he didnt adapt to the Madrid way, he had a powerful dressing room and for the first time didnt have the players full respect, trust and belief, he lost them after that first season. That is why he needed to adapt to us and not make the same mistake.....its the same mistake he has repeated again and again and again and got more bitter and stubborn every single season which I dont understand as he is an intelligent and charming personality, but the pure arrogance and stubborness that his way his timeless was just wrong. I didnt even think he would last a season at SPurs tbh as that is a club that has demanded an attacking style of football even more than ourselves
 

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Those pay offs are a large part of why he’s gone so shit. No need to do well.
 

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I'm surprised by some of the takes. Who are these managers that reinvent themselves successfully after decades in the game?
 

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2002-2010 at his best, only 8 yrs
A peak of 8 years is pretty long isn't it? Outside of few examples like SAF who had a clearly longer one? Managers don't last that long.
 

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I thought at the time if he can adapt to our club ethos and embrace our traditions and adapt to us, he really will prove himself as one of the best managers of all time......he didnt.
There was no chance of this happening. Jose works in a specific way. It is confrontational and noisy and defense minded. Woodward should have known and predicted what would happen. But being a useless git that he is, he made random managerial signings with no idea on what should be our club's values or game style.
 

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I'm surprised by some of the takes. Who are these managers that reinvent themselves successfully after decades in the game?
Ancelotti has done well, albeit managing at a level lower than he’s used to.

More importantly he’s managed and left jobs with dignity rather than tearing the house down and leaving a rubble for someone else to sort through while being hounded out of the club by unhappy players.
 

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Ancelotti has done well, albeit managing at a level lower than he’s used to.

More importantly he’s managed and left jobs with dignity rather than tearing the house down and leaving a rubble for someone else to sort through while being hounded out of the club by unhappy players.
That's a different point, Ancelotti's prime didn't last more than 8 years, it was in the middle of the 2000s and since then he has steadily declined. And yes Mourinho's decline is chaotic but that's not the point.
 

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There was no chance of this happening. Jose works in a specific way. It is confrontational and noisy and defense minded. Woodward should have known and predicted what would happen. But being a useless git that he is, he made random managerial signings with no idea on what should be our club's values or game style.
The same applies to half of Man Utd fanbase who saw him as a proven winner. A fan-run Man Utd would still have appointed him.
 

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Be funny if Spurs reach top 4 now and he claims the achievement as his own :lol: ."Managing Spurs was my greatest achievement...how would you like to have Eric Dier playing in your defence?"

The pay offs are quite sickening but I've never hated him the way some do in here. I thought he'd have a great base to build on with Son and Kane and they've both had good seasons and seem like they were very loyal to him. Alienating Dele Alli and Bale was a big mistake it would seem. Aside from his horrible style of play their defence and energy levels always seemed so poor too. He does seem as if he's not evolved with the game.
 

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Ancelotti has done well, albeit managing at a level lower than he’s used to.

More importantly he’s managed and left jobs with dignity rather than tearing the house down and leaving a rubble for someone else to sort through while being hounded out of the club by unhappy players.
Ancelotti like SAF is a man manager. Main strength is picking and motivating the right players to perform and develop. When SAF needed to he left the tactical decision to specialists like Queroz. He didn't really adapt to the modern game as such, I don't think there are any mangers that really do. All the top dogs seem to stay sharp for about 10 years before they taper off. I suppose managing like Ferguson gives you more longevity, but it is also harder to become really successful when you don't always have that fine tactical edge to rely on. So guys like him are rare.

Mourinho in that regard is fairly typical. His achievements alone make sure he will go down as an elite manager, top 10-20 for sure. There's a few factors making his downfall so noticeable though. The extreme arrogance and eccentric behavior. Works when you win, becomes embarrassing when you lose. His truly diabolical man management. If he doesn't achieve instant success he loses the dressing room every time. Whenever I hear the name Mourinho now, a United incident with Mkthihryan comes to mind. The latter is sitting eating breakfast when Mourinho comes up to him, and I always read this out in my mind in that accent of his, "Because of you, the media are saying negative things about me." That's great Jose. That underperforming player you would like to up his game is surely gonna go out and sweat piss and blood for you now.

If he's smart he goes for the Portugal job. Perhaps his skills might be enough for a respectable showing in that field of mostly lesser and past it managers. If that fails I think he's done at the top and near top level. Man's a major liability, and now that most executives know how fast he can turn the atmosphere of the club into toxic Alien acid, he will have to make a major showing to regain trust. Madrid broke him, United sent him over the edge.
 

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That's a different point, Ancelotti's prime didn't last more than 8 years, it was in the middle of the 2000s and since then he has steadily declined. And yes Mourinho's decline is chaotic but that's not the point.
How did he decline since middle of 00s? He won the double with Chelsea in 2009, won the champions league for the third time as a manager with Real in 2014, won the French and German leagues. He’s been at the top of his profession until getting sacked by Bayern.
 

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Is taking us to 2nd still his greatest achievement? Because it's about to be equaled by Eliteserien manager Solskjaer very soon.
 

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I wonder, after all these years at the very top with Porto, Chelsea, Inter Milan, Real Madrid, and Manchester United, I would like to think that Mourinho would have bought himself enough credit with his success and longevity in the business to change his ways and reinvent his playing style with Tottenham, a club that is not as big as the ones he managed, less expectations, had he played attacking football that suited the players he had, i am certain the media would've given him some sort of break and he would not be under pressure as much as he would be in Manchester or Chelsea.
You can't teach an old dog new tricks. That's the problem with uber-successful people that they believe that their method/process was what brought that success so they try to replicate that wherever they go. In reality, success is a combination of process, talent, competitive environment, and macro-factors.

Later on in life it just became an ego issue for him. He wanted to prove his methods are still relevant in the new age while the rest of the world had moved on. Don't believe for a minute that he was playing boring pragmatic football because of the pressure to produce results. It is his style.
 

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How did he decline since middle of 00s? He won the double with Chelsea in 2009, won the champions league for the third time as a manager with Real in 2014, won the French and German leagues. He’s been at the top of his profession until getting sacked by Bayern.
So Ancelotti peak period isn't with Milan?