Ironically the last team to knock City out of the EFL Cup was us, when we were under the management of the man in the topic.
Jose Mourinho | Spurs manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Was Eric Dier a stupid cnut or an intelligent cnut when he jumped into the stands?
We started well and then it turned worse. We will see what happens with Spurs who have not even started well.
Mourinho usually has an average first season, and boosts the team to the peak in the second season, then finally everything falls apart in the third season.
| Team (Season) | League Ranking |
|---|---|
Madrid (10/11) | 2 |
Madrid (11/12) | 1 |
Madrid (12/13) | 2 |
Chelsea (13/14) | 3 |
Chelsea (14/15) | 1 |
Chelsea (15/16) | 16 |
United (16/17) | 6 |
United (17/18) | 2 |
United (18/19) | 6 |
I think he started well for us with two cups. Won with Real the cup too.
The league position with us was pretty low and we had far too many draws.
Still you could see things to build on.
Not seeing much with Spurs.
Tbh I don't think Mourinho has been doing too bad at Spurs for the moment. Yes they don't play beautiful attacking football and their offensive stats look miserable, but you just don't expect his side to excel in this area. Ranking 4th in the league (only behind Liverpool, City and United) isn't something to be ashamed of, especially when you consider they have just lost their best playmaker for years while Kane and Son have been out for some time (@balaks has already kept trying to get these points across). We struggle pretty much in the same way (or worse) when we didn't have Bruno while Pogba/Rashford/Martial were injured.
Like I said the second season will be key though. If he can get the right players in to boost the team I think they might achieve something. Otherwise Spurs fans might have to prepare for the worst.
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He will win a trophy for them. That much is almost guaranteed.
It might be the europa league next year. Possibly even league cup.
It might be the europa league next year. Possibly even league cup.
Why is it guaranteed?
Where has he not won a trophy?
Doesn't mean he will at Spurs.
He 'guarenteed' back to back titles until he went to Madrid, he 'guarenteed' a trophy a season alongside a minimum 2nd place until he returned to us, he 'guarenteed' the title in his second season until he went to United.
Trends are there to be broken.
Yep, always go into that trend.
Spurs next season will be better (hopefully not too much).
So.. just this once, thank you Jose?
We need to all-out win our next league game.
We need to all-out win our next league game.
Expecting someone to mock Mourinho with his 3 shots on target (so far) and poor xG 
Mourinho has set up the team to counter that he does very often. He hasn't really pulled a rabbit out of his hat here. Leicester are struggling because of their own naivety and of course Harry Kane's brilliance. There is no way Spurs can win league titles with this type of football against teams like Man City and Liverpool.
For a one off game, this style of pragmatic, low-risk, counter-attacking football works when the opponent makes more mistakes than you. I am not complaining as he is doing us a great service and maybe inadvertently paying back all the millions in wages he has taken from the club.
For a one off game, this style of pragmatic, low-risk, counter-attacking football works when the opponent makes more mistakes than you. I am not complaining as he is doing us a great service and maybe inadvertently paying back all the millions in wages he has taken from the club.
Just remember the mantra...
He is a dinosaur.
He is toxic.
He is past it.
He should be sacked.
He cannot manage any more.
But he will have the last laugh.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, José Mourinho is the best manager in world football
He is todayI've said it before and I'll say it again, José Mourinho is the best manager in world football
I know his team have run riot here but this tactic would have been tough with fans in the ground. Before they scored the first goal, they had <30% possession.
Thank you Jose
Well done Jose.
Just drink it in
On a serious note, I'm delighted we don't play like that anymore - delighted it works in our favour in other matches, though!
Get in jose!
29% possession and a victory, Mourinho is pleased.
He is doing a very good job so far.
Great guy, helping both his former clubs in trying to make top 4
He does, and he's at the right club right for him!
Don't get me wrong and I don't mean this as a mocking, but Tottenham is smaller club when compared to United, Chelsea and Real Madrid, which means that he's once again in position of a underdog, something that suits him both on and off the pitch.
Agree. Kane was more of a factor than Jose here. The 2-0 goal was low-percentage; the 3-0 was not even an obvious scoring opportunity. And if it had still been 1-0 at half-time, feck knows how that could've changed the game.
As someone sympathetic to Spurs, they're basically going back to being the Harry Kane team if they continue showing like this. And I love HK, but you don't win things relying on moments of magic from one player -- and I want him to win something. He's much, much too good to never win anything. He's a CL standard player.
He basically did his exs a huge favour today. Chelsea and us are very grateful to him. Hopefully, we can capitalize on it by thrashing West Ham.
Yeah I think you could be right.
Disagree. Spurs may not be a bigger club than us, Chelsea, and RM but they still have a record of playing on the front foot. Fans may be happy with conceding the initiative and waiting for opposition mistakes for one off games but gradually the protests around boring football and always playing on the back foot will gain strength. Spurs are not a Mourinho team.
Players like Kane and Son will get disillusioned, Jose will come out and question the integrity of players, and the whole drama around his toxicity and his maneuver to get sacked will leave the club in tatters and a lot less money.
You are just a little ray of bitter sunshine aren't you.
The definition of insanity: trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Jose isn't going to change and I don't see this ending any other way.
Feel free to quote me on this if Jose is still with the club in 3 years time having won trophies and having kept Spurs in the top 4 consistently. I will be happy to eat my words.
I can definitely see this. I won't talk about Son because I don't feel qualified but I can absolutely envision a scenario in which Kane gets bored of never pushing for a goal after 60 minutes while he's on for a hat trick. Kane's nowhere near as selfish as people make him out to be (if he was, he'd have agitated for - and almost certainly got - a big upwards move a long time ago) but every player has their limits.
Under Jose, he'll still get 20+ a season in the league because he's a fantastic striker who finishes a lot of low-percentage chances, but he won't be pushing the old 30+ benchmark with these tactics. And I don't know how willing he'll be to sacrifice his shot at all-time records in the crucial back-half of his career if he's not winning anything to compensate.
Records are definitely one of the factors for Kane. In general, I feel that players like Kane and Son won't sit well with the pragmatic, low-risk, counter-attacking football over a period of time. They are just not that type of players that thrive in such an environment. And Jose is totally incapable of changing his style and being more expansive to suit the players he has at his disposal.
Kane has scored 13 goals in 18 games under Jose so far. That's not bad at all considering he clearly hasn't been fit for a lot of them. I think he will score a ton next season.
It will be interesting to see whether levy gives any transfer budget to jose this summer. With the finances in disarray due to covid, and a stadium to pay off, they might be looking at bargain hunting which is not jose's strong suit.
I think kane and son etc. will stay at the club though. Can't see them forcing a move away.
I think kane and son etc. will stay at the club though. Can't see them forcing a move away.
So it looks like Mou got us 4th place! Interesting fact is when we finished 6th with Mourinho we had 66 points and 19 wins. If we win our two remaining games with Ole we will end up 3rd with 68 points and 19 wins.